Miles Mathis and his Charge Field

[Lloyd]

Copy of Post from http://thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/v ... =15#p95578, apparently posted in the wrong thread.

postby gamma ray » Sun May 11, 2014 10:43 am

This discussion is great and has helped me to resolve some ideas about electricity. I finally "get" what Heaviside was describing and I'll try to summarize some other thoughts. But still using classic terminology for "conductor" implying metal-like and "dielectric" implying insulator material.

The boundary between the dielectric and the conductor is what facilitates energy propagation. Looking at space, it is the perfect dielectric.

I am also thinking of all electric energy in terms of movement. So would redefine the meaning of them as follows:

current -> energy transfer --> linear reflection between conductor and dielectric
charge -> standing energy --> harmonic 3d internal reflection giving temporary localized energy storage

So now for me "static charge" is an oxymoron. There is no such thing as static energy. But there is a lot of energy "stored" in some kind of pattern instead to make a static field whether it be an electron or a sun.

I see some potential confusion when people discuss current. Maybe it is just a projection of my own struggles but I see a lot of DC thinking. Many seem to be expecting a circuit and applying ohms law as DC. But really there are a lot of AC phenomena going on that change everything. Even if the AC is very low frequency and is one aspect of Scott's Sun model I find so interesting to explain magnetic reversal. Whenever thinking of current powering the sun externally one must think of it as AC and DC effects to understand.

The double layers form a kind of protective boundary so "current" does not flow unless there is a changing value for voltage. So a double layer blocks DC current and allows AC like a capacitor.

Is the boundary between a conductor and a dielectric maybe is also another form of a double layer? If so is a filament yet another form also?

Hmm. All circuits are AC. Even a DC circuit you have to turn it on and create a pulse to set the whole transfer into motion until the battery runs down.

[SleestackVII]

Hey all! Just a very small but important correction to LongtimeAirman's latest post above on the photon spin speed. Mathis works out the spin speed of the B-photon as 1/c in a detailed explanation in his paper named - "How do photons travel?" The description starts about a third of the way down the article.

http://milesmathis.com/photon2.html

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Thanks all for seriously trying to unwind this theory and its implications.

Over the years I have seen many EU presentations that point in the direction of Mathis's charge field. Recently Mathis discussed Dr. Gerald Pollak's work on "Exclusion Zone" water. Dr. Pollack gave a presentation on this at the 2013 EU conference. If you haven't seen it, you need to.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnGCMQ8TJ_g

At about 25:31 he will talk about "what charges the battery" and explains that it is light. Infrared light being the most "powerful". I find this very suggestive. I don't think Mathis and Pollack would agree on the physics at all but was so impressed by the demonstration I emailed it to Mathis himself.

Anyway keep up the great work!

[LongtimeAirman]

If you're reading this, hi gamma ray! Lloyd means well.

Lloyd said, "Can you (or anyone here) think of a case where just the E field is enough to do work in a load?". 

In a conductor, the E field causes electron current flow. In a resistor, the E field causes heat and a voltage differential gradient. In a capacitor, the E field causes an electron charge and voltage differentials. A motor cannot run without the E field. There's no way to simplify out of it. In fact, I submit that the problem with standard theory all along has been oversimplification - trying to do too much with too few rules.

I feel like I holding up progress, but we still need to nail down some basics.

E Field_. The E field is created by B-photon charge flow via direct impacts with electrons, protons and other B-photons. Within a conductor, the E field causes electron current flow. In a resistor, the E field causes heat and a voltage differential gradient. In a capacitor, the E field causes both the buildup and deficiency of electrons and the voltage differential.

BCM _. Battery Circuit Model. A battery circuit is comprised of a battery, conducting wires and a load (such as a light bulb). In standard electric theory, it is perhaps taught as the simplest example of electricity performing work, converting battery power into light.  Miles takes on the subject in "How a Battery Circuit Works", http://milesmathis.com/seft.pdf. Miles' Battery circuit Model will be referred to as  BCM in the related statements. Note that this is Miles' first attempt to explain how it works.

Voltage Differential vs Charge Field Differentials: Magnitude, Energy, and Spin. In standard theory, the battery must provide a voltage differential such that electrons within the circuit may travel from the negative to the positive battery terminal. In BCM, it is more complicated. The battery provides a Charge Field differential such that photons from each battery terminal channels through and about the conducting path to reach the other terminal. The "differential" here includes charge density (corresponding to voltage), charge energy (photon frequency) and or spin orientation. The movement of the charges will cause electrons to flow. The electrons will be pushed both ways, but the magnitude differential assures that there will be a resultant overall drift velocity in one direction. Note that even though we are talking about a simple, so-called Direct Current (DC) circuit, the photon frequency from one terminal is different than the photon frequency from the other terminal.

help! Cecil, help!

Thanks for the input SleestackVII.

REMCB

[Lloyd]

L(previous): "Can you (or anyone here) think of a case where just the E field is enough to do work in a load?".
A: In a conductor, the E field causes electron current flow.
L: The conductor isn't part of the load though. MM said it's part of the battery. Besides, I think electron current flow is irrelevant, since I think the photon stream moves the same whether the electrons move or not.
A: In a resistor, the E field causes heat and a voltage differential gradient.
L: Before you said the magnetic field, i.e. the spin of the photons or ions, makes the heat by resisting the current.
A: In a capacitor, the E field causes an electron charge and voltage differentials.
L: Is a capacitor a load? It seems comparable to a battery.
A: A motor cannot run without the E field.
L: I acknowledged that, but it seems to me like the E field, or photon stream, just delivers the workers, which are the coherent spins in the photon stream or magnetic field of ions. Is there work done without the magnetic field?
A: BCM. Battery Circuit Model. A battery circuit is comprised of a battery, conducting wires and a load (such as a light bulb). Miles takes on the subject in "How a Battery Circuit Works", http://milesmathis.com/seft.pdf.
L: My original numbered statements were 1-33 from "What Is Charge?" and 34-151 or so from BCM. That's what I've been discussing all this time.
A: Voltage Differential vs Charge Field Differentials: Magnitude, Energy, and Spin. In standard theory, the battery must provide a voltage differential such that electrons within the circuit may travel from the negative to the positive battery terminal. In BCM, it is more complicated. The battery provides a Charge Field differential such that photons from each battery terminal channels through and about the conducting path to reach the other terminal.
L: I'd still like to see proof that the photon stream channels through the atoms of the conductor and not just through electrons surrounding the conductor.
A: The "differential" here includes charge density (corresponding to voltage), charge energy (photon frequency) and or spin orientation.
L: By Mathis' model don't the longer wavelengths with the lower frequencies produce the higher energies, since the longer wavelengths would be due to greater photon radii and greater masses?
- And isn't magnetism in conductors always dependent only on photon density (voltage?), rather than on photon frequency? As I said, I don't know much on this subject. I know the formulas: E=IR and P=IE, where E is emf or electromotive force in Volts, I is current in Amps, R is resistance in Ohms and P is power in Watts. Is energy 1/2 mv^2? I don't know what that would be in electrical terms.
A: The movement of the charges will cause electrons to flow. The electrons will be pushed both ways, but the magnitude differential assures that there will be a resultant overall drift velocity in one direction. Note that even though we are talking about a simple, so-called Direct Current (DC) circuit, the photon frequency from one terminal is different than the photon frequency from the other terminal.
L: MM seems to say that the electrons are irrelevant, because they're just like driftwood on a stream.
- How would the photons from the low density terminal be able to affect the load? It seems like it would be like water at the low pressure end of a hose pushing its way upstream toward the high pressure end while the water is running.

L: Load Analysis: Light Bulb: http://home.howstuffworks.com/light-bulb1.htm
- I think there's only one important item in a light bulb, the filament, a coiled, thin, metal wire.
- Isn't what you (Airman) said earlier about the magnetic field all that's important for doing the work of lighting the bulb, by heating it, due to resistance to the current from the magnetic field? The argon atoms in the bulb improve the lighting, but the magnetic field seems to do the work. Right?

[Chromium6]

Hi Loyd,

Earlier I mentioned using Excel for keeping track of Mathis' calculations and documented values. While Excel definitely has limitations - such as with the accuracy of significant digits; it is fairly portable, fairly easy to customize, and is in widespread use. Later, if we have to go beyond this then we can get something dropped into Mathematica, SciPy, R or something of the like. This is intended to be a tabular worksheet to just work things out with since I don't do this full time nor do I have access to a lab. So...below is an Excel document with the NIST Values, Periodic Table along with several Molecules on different tabs. I found it useful for reference when looking at Mathis' papers.

(Checked with a virus scanner but you might want to use your own.--Cr6)
http://www.mediafire.com/download/86gw8 ... a_v001.zip

[Chromium6]

In the long run, we may need to look at building something like RDKit for Mathis:

http://www.rdkit.org/
https://rdkit.readthedocs.org/en/latest/Overview.html
https://rdkit.readthedocs.org/en/latest/index.html

[LongtimeAirman]

MM_. Photon Spin. A B-photon with a forward velocity up to the speed of Light and is spining at the velocity at 1/c. Spin may be described as left or right, up or down with respect to the ambient charge field spin orientation. A direct equatorial collision between two photons with the same direction spins result in a decrease of spin for both photons. A polar collision between those same two photons will have no effect on the photon spins.
(Corrected last sentence and photon spin speed from c to 1/c, thanks sleestackVII)

Lloyd, With respect the larger goal, http://qdl.scs-inc.us/2ndParty/Pages/11870.html, Are all these statements/descriptions leading to a page on the QDL Site? It seems they work great in building an outline or an index. Has anyone out there put together an index or is that a silly question?
Cr6, Thank you for that reference document.

My text editor is an e-mail composer. I cannot do word searches across Miles' html or pdf papers except on my browser, so I try to rely on my memory as much as I can, and make more mistakes that way too. It is a great review, and I believe my views have improved.

L(previous): "Can you (or anyone here) think of a case where just the E field is enough to do work in a load?".
A: In a conductor, the E field causes electron current flow.
L: The conductor isn't part of the load though. MM said it's part of the battery. Besides, I think electron current flow is irrelevant, since I think the photon stream moves the same whether the electrons move or not.
A: Loads may be built from conductors, like a motor. Electron flow is not irrelevant. Our power industry is based on it. We use conductors because they allow electron flow. Electron flow allows us to tap Charge energy. As far as I know, aside from solar hot water heaters and the like, we do not yet have a more efficient way of tapping charge fields than by electron flow, electricity.

A: In a resistor, the E field causes heat and a voltage differential gradient.
L: Before you said the magnetic field, i.e. the spin of the photons or ions, makes the heat by resisting the current.
A: Lots of things make heat. Infrared photons are heat. Heat is a measure of the charge field energy. Both E and H impacts cause heat.

A: In a capacitor, the E field causes an electron charge and voltage differentials.
L: Is a capacitor a load? It seems comparable to a battery.
A: The reason I suggested resistors, capacitors and inductors in the first place was because I believe that most loads would be built from those elements. A light bulb filament could be built from one or more of those elements. I agree, capacitors are comparable to a battery, with electron separation instead of proton separation. Very fast batteries.

A: A motor cannot run without the E field.
L: I acknowledged that, but it seems to me like the E field, or photon stream, just delivers the workers, which are the coherent spins in the photon stream or magnetic field of ions. Is there work done without the magnetic field?
A: I don't think you can separate the two.

A: BCM. Battery Circuit Model. A battery circuit is comprised of a battery, conducting wires and a load (such as a light bulb). Miles takes on the subject in "How a Battery Circuit Works", http://milesmathis.com/seft.pdf.
L: My original numbered statements were 1-33 from "What Is Charge?" and 34-151 or so from BCM. That's what I've been discussing all this time.
A: I apologize. You've given me organizing fever. I was thinking in terms of the final product/document.

A: Voltage Differential vs Charge Field Differentials: Magnitude, Energy, and Spin. In standard theory, the battery must provide a voltage differential such that electrons within the circuit may travel from the negative to the positive battery terminal. In BCM, it is more complicated. The battery provides a Charge Field differential such that photons from each battery terminal channels through and about the conducting path to reach the other terminal.
L: I'd still like to see proof that the photon stream channels through the atoms of the conductor and not just through electrons surrounding the conductor.
A: All atoms are mostly space to the charge field. Most of the photons miss the nuclei. All matter from mesons on up (I think I'm saying that right (memory thing)) recycle B-photons. Miles' book, "Navigating the Atomic Nucleus", is mostly about how charge channeling in nuclei affect the material characteristics of the various elements. Proof would be nice, maybe we have it, or maybe not, we're just trying to organize Miles' model for starters.

A: The "differential" here includes charge density (corresponding to voltage), charge energy (photon frequency) and or spin orientation.
L: By Mathis' model don't the longer wavelengths with the lower frequencies produce the higher energies, since the longer wavelengths would be due to greater photon radii and greater masses?
A: The measured wavelength for a photon is the distance the photon travels while making one rotation. The lowest energy photon is infrared and the highest is x-ray. I'm probably being sloppy, but I refer to higher photon energy as higher frequency photons.

L: And isn't magnetism in conductors always dependent only on photon density (voltage?), rather than on photon frequency? As I said, I don't know much on this subject. I know the formulas: E=IR and P=IE, where E is emf or electromotive force in Volts, I is current in Amps, R is resistance in Ohms and P is power in Watts. Is energy 1/2 mv^2? I don't know what that would be in electrical terms.
A: Magnetism in conductors is primarily dependent on spin alignment, not frequency.
The paper that SleestackVII cited earlier http://milesmathis.com/photon2.html has Miles redefining photon kinetic energy as e=mc(L)c(T), where c(L) is the photon linear velocity and c(T) photon spin's tangential velocity. I refer to electric energy as power times time, or WattHours.

A: The movement of the charges will cause electrons to flow. The electrons will be pushed both ways, but the magnitude differential assures that there will be a resultant overall drift velocity in one direction. Note that even though we are talking about a simple, so-called Direct Current (DC) circuit, the photon frequency from one terminal is different than the photon frequency from the other terminal.
L: MM seems to say that the electrons are irrelevant, because they're just like driftwood on a stream.
A: The electrons represent a tiny portion of energy compared to overall charge field, but that's what we use in electric circuits.

L: How would the photons from the low density terminal be able to affect the load? It seems like it would be like water at the low pressure end of a hose pushing its way upstream toward the high pressure end while the water is running.
A: In the Battery circuit model, the photons involved in the circuit at that voltage are few, when compared to the charge field capacity. The charge field can handle energies many magnitudes greater than this circuit. Also, charge streams traveling in opposite directions at the same time is normal charge field behavior when matter recycles photons.

L: Load Analysis: Light Bulb: http://home.howstuffworks.com/light-bulb1.htm
- I think there's only one important item in a light bulb, the filament, a coiled, thin, metal wire.
A: Ok. The filament doesn't need to be coiled (like an inductor) to work.
L: Isn't what you (Airman) said earlier about the magnetic field all that's important for doing the work of lighting the bulb, by heating it, due to resistance to the current from the magnetic field? The argon atoms in the bulb improve the lighting, but the magnetic field seems to do the work. Right?
A: I imagine the most efficient way to heat the filament would be by using both E and H fields. I still believe that the magnetic field does most of the work (heating the filament) but it's just my opinion.

REMCB

[Lloyd]

Summary Paper.

Airman said: With respect [to] the larger goal, http://qdl.scs-inc.us/?top=4741-4760-50 ... 7050-12998, Are all these statements/descriptions leading to a page on the QDL Site? It seems they work great in building an outline or an index. Has anyone out there put together an index

Yes, that's my hope, to post a summary paper there. I was hoping to prove that photons are what power everything, like the solar wind, electricity etc, and that epn's are just along for the ride. I wanted to start with MM's main statements on that and then fill in important points that he leaves out and rephrase things that he doesn't state clearly.
- So far, I think I have his statements whittled down to the essential ones and I've revised a few things. But I seem to have a way to go (maybe a long way) before I understand several things fairly well and then fill in and rephrase sufficiently.
- You're welcome to do something similar, if you like. And I'd be willing to comment like you've been doing here.
- I don't know of an Index. What would you like an Index to cover?
- Are you a member of Miles Mathis Revolution on Facebook? I think it's at
https://www.facebook.com/groups/245119528855679

[LongtimeAirman]

I wish there was a list of definitions, a glossary or index, sufficient to learn about Miles' Charge Field without necessarily reading his papers. His papers are free (I think they are gems), so he wouldn't be cheated.
A simplified description of the charge field is a natural progression and would expand his audience.
Of course, I recognise that your goal, and these efforts lead that way. I'm just overwhelmed. Thank you.

REMCB

[Chromium6]

Just wanted to touch a point on the "load" factor in terms of lighting a battery. Often this involves a Noble Gas like argon or xenon. Mathis touches on this in this paper. In the Charge Field, Noble gases are stable and do not "burn" the filaments involved:

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No. As I will show, it is a matter of unified field weight. Yes, this is another problem that will be solved with charge. Remember, I have already solved several atmospheric problems with charge, including the weight of the atmosphere , the buoyancy of gases , and lift on a wing. Charge allows us to solve this one easily as well. The first clue is that nitrogen and oxygen are right next to one another on the periodic table. That has been treated as an accident up to now, but it isn't. It is the main clue. The other big clue is argon, which is the mysterious third largest component of the atmosphere. At almost 1%, argon composes 24 times as much of the atmosphere on Earth as CO2. This is exceedingly strange, since that is 500 times more abundant than the next noble gas, neon. What makes it even more strange is that if you look at the list of elements in the crust, listed by abundance, argon isn't even on the list. Nearly all the argon in the atmosphere is radiogenic argon40 from the decay of potassium40.

So the argon in the atmosphere isn't even the most abundant isotope of argon in the universe, which is argon36. That is the isotope produced by stars.

Why would the Earth's atmosphere be composed of more radiogenic argon than carbon dioxide, when carbon dioxide is produced in amounts millions of times higher? It can only be because the argon persists while the CO2 doesn't. You will say it is because plants use CO2 and they don't use argon, but that isn't the right answer. Or, it is only part of the answer. The right answer has to do with weight, not use. The clue from argon is the fact that its atomic weight is a bit more than twice that of nitrogen or oxygen. To persist in the atmosphere, gases have to have the right weight to do so. It is that simple. Carbon dioxide is too heavy to persist over long periods of time, and it falls out. That is why we find more CO2 at lower levels. It is in the process of falling slowly all the time. But argon persists because it is balanced in the unified field.

http://milesmathis.com/atmo2.pdf

[D_Archer]

A: I imagine the most efficient way to heat the filament would be by using both E and H fields. I still believe that the magnetic field does most of the work (heating the filament) but it's just my opinion

You are correct. All "burns" are magnetic in nature, Eric Dollard says magnetic is a retarding force (explosive, hot) and electric is a building force (implosive, cold). So the circuit sets up an E-Field (made of charge photons) and the filament is the place where the charge photons produce light heat, the wire is overloaded (too thin to keep channeling, as per Mathis charge streams) by the E-Field and releases energy as a B-Field (sort of)

Regards,
Daniel

[Lloyd]

I wish there was a list of definitions, a glossary or index, sufficient to learn about Miles' Charge Field without necessarily reading his papers.

Yeah, that sounds like a good idea. Should we start doing that?

Cr6, for a Mathis glossary, do you know which elements he says are noble? I think he differs a bit with conventional science on that.

Daniel, do you think the magnetic field would do the work in electric circuits that involve making light, heat and mechanical motion?

[Chromium6]

I wish there was a list of definitions, a glossary or index, sufficient to learn about Miles' Charge Field without necessarily reading his papers.

Yeah, that sounds like a good idea. Should we start doing that?

Cr6, for a Mathis glossary, do you know which elements he says are noble? I think he differs a bit with conventional science on that.

Daniel, do you think the magnetic field would do the work in electric circuits that involve making light, heat and mechanical motion?

What I've seen is that Mathis uses the core 5 disk then the 9 disk alpha types for each element. Filling this for the Noble gases is basically as following to match proton count (atomic number):
1 x 2 (completely filled alphas) = 2 = helium
5 x 2 = 10 = neon
9 x 2 = 18 = argon
9 x 4 = 36 = krypton (non-gas)
9 x 6 = 54 = xenon
(9 x 6) + (5 x 6) + (2 x 1) = 86 = radon

Attached is a rudimentary layout of molecules taken from his papers. Note that this is very incomplete and liable to be changed as new information is received.

I've created a new spreadsheet with Mathis' Alpha Slot structures from his papers. This is not completely up to date though so use it only for personal reference:

(scanned for viruses but use your own scanner for safety.)
http://www.mediafire.com/download/nqddi ... ctures.zip

[Chromium6]

(minor corrections)...

What I've seen is that Mathis uses the core 2,3,5,9,15,17,19 slot structures with (1,2,3,4,5,6) disk alpha types for each element. Filling this for the Noble gases is basically as follows to match the proton count (atomic number):
1 x 2 (completely filled alphas) = 2 = helium
5 x 2 = 10 = neon
9 x 2 = 18 = argon
9 x 4 = 36 = krypton (noble gas)
9 x 6 = 54 = xenon
(9 x 6) + (5 x 6) + (2 x 1) = 86 = radon

Period 6 - Why Isn't Hafnium a Noble Gas?
http://milesmathis.com/haf.pdf

Attached is a rudimentary layout of the periodic table taken from his papers. Note that this is very incomplete and may change as new information is received. (Zinc's structure needs fixing.)

http://www.mediafire.com/download/nqddi ... ctures.zip

[Lloyd]

Cr6, how about explaining these terms from your spreadsheet: OrbitalGroup, GroupNumber, SlotNumber, SlotOccupied, AlphaType, NeutronsLeft, NeutronsRight?

The list looks good, but I think it would be much better if there were only one line per element and if it would stop at somewhere around #100, Firmium.

You said Radon is a noble gas, but Mathis said it's not. At http://milesmathis.com/mercliq.pdf he said: "Radon is not really a noble gas, as we have already seen".

I'm thinking about starting on the Mathis glossary Airman brought up.