Incredible manufacturing technology made possibly by plasma.

Beyond the boundaries of established science an avalanche of exotic ideas compete for our attention. Experts tell us that these ideas should not be permitted to take up the time of working scientists, and for the most part they are surely correct. But what about the gems in the rubble pile? By what ground-rules might we bring extraordinary new possibilities to light?

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Re: Update to my plasma based manufacturing technology idea.

Post by Peron » Tue Sep 15, 2009 8:27 pm

Influx wrote:SUMMERY

Previously I had made a brief post describing my plasma based manufacturing technology that I call the AD, short for atomic depository. The basic idea behind it is simple, a plasma beam is directed at a surface, where the plasma cools and solidifies creating a thin nanometer film on that surface. Many such films will be use to build three dimensional objects. If we can precisely control the plasma ion beam, that is, be able to scan the beam across the surface in the x y direction, while the surface lowers by the z axis, we should be able, in theory, to build any part, any shape in three dimensions.

WHY?

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When it came to science, I believed (and still do) that most of the technologies we have, were arrived at not by some proposed scientific theory, but rather through a long convoluted road of trail and error. I believe that many technologies, amazing earth shattering technologies could be arrived at through experimentation's. That is what I learned was in fact called empirical science! Much to my dismay, as my reading adventure continued, I learned that today ( at that time too) empirical science was hardly practiced at all. At what was even worse I realized, that the abstract science was completely useless for trying to apply it to everyday practical life. Meaning, for example, I could not find, try as hard I might, a practical application to the theory of relativity, general, special or otherwise. But I was shocked to see PhD’s embrace this fantasy based solely on math.
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ENABLING TECHNOLOGIES.

Now each and every Joe Shmo has the ability to build, test and develop every outlandish idea that there can be. What sort of technologies will we see?! One can’t even imagine.
Imagine, sitting at your computer drafting, once done, several minutes later you have you AD make the actual part. If it does not work, simple throw it back into the hopper and it will shortly be recycled. And back to the drawing board.
If this process used to cost hundreds of millions of dollars, and took years, now it will cost zero, and will take only the time you spent behind the computer with CAD.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Applied_science

Well, everything you see around us has it's roots in one of those fields. From the Atomic Bomb, to tooth paste.
Experimental science has nothing to do with benefiting humanity, thats applied science's job.
Theoretical physics, which is a completely different field, wants to understand the natural world around us, it has nothing to do with making jobs or benefiting you, it's sole purpose is to explain nature. For instance, the photoelectric effect was a experimental phenomena lacking theoretical explanation.
The photoelectric effect was explained using theoretical science.
Of course, there are other things theoretical physics gave us, for instance Maxwell equations, relativity, and a whole bunch of things.
A more practical application is nanotechnology which was theoretical not long ago.
But don't mix things up, theoretical physics has nothing to do with making jobs or benefiting you.
Experimental science is to experiment.
Applied science is what gives you thecnology, it benefits humanity.

But all science is to understand nature, which is very important.With out a understanding of nature, how are we supposed to create energy? or Feed ourselves? or Survive?

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Re: Incredible manufacturing technology made possibly by plasma.

Post by Influx » Thu Sep 24, 2009 1:16 pm

Peron wrote:But don't mix things up, theoretical physics has nothing to do with making jobs or benefiting you.
Sigh.... Applied science is What?
Applied science is the application of knowledge from one or more natural scientific fields to solve practical problems. Fields of engineering are closely related to applied sciences. Applied science is important for technology development. Its use in industrial settings is usually referred to as research and development (R&D).
What is knowledge then?
Knowledge is defined by the Oxford English Dictionary as (i) expertise, and skills acquired by a person through experience or education; the theoretical or practical understanding of a subject, (ii) what is known in a particular field or in total; facts and information or (iii) awareness or familiarity gained by experience of a fact or situation. Philosophical debates in general start with Plato's formulation of knowledge as "justified true belief". There is however no single agreed definition of knowledge presently, nor any prospect of one, and there remain numerous competing theories.

Knowledge acquisition involves complex cognitive processes: perception, learning, communication, association and reasoning. The term knowledge is also used to mean the confident understanding of a subject with the ability to use it for a specific purpose if appropriate. See Knowledge Management for additional details on that discipline.
So as you can see, for applied science to exist empirical science must come first. What is empirical science? It is this>>>>>>>complex cognitive processes: perception, learning, communication, association and reasoning, backed up by experimentation!
Peron wrote:Experimental science has nothing to do with benefiting humanity, thats applied science's job.
:shock:

Wow........ I am so :oops: :oops: :oops: for you! :)

Applied science is the application of knowledge from one or more natural scientific fields to solve practical problems. No doubt these natural scientific fields make use of extensive experimentation! :lol:
Science as discussed in this article is sometimes called experimental science to differentiate it from applied science—the application of scientific research to specific human needs—although the two are interconnected.
Peron wrote:Theoretical physics, which is a completely different field, wants to understand the natural world around us, it has nothing to do with making jobs or benefiting you, it's sole purpose is to explain nature
Yes and if these theoretical physics have dissolved into so much useless crap, then what? Theoretical physics spend billions of tax payers dollars each year. You should keep that in mind. If they don't benefit humanity then why should I care about these theories?
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Re: Incredible manufacturing technology made possibly by plasma.

Post by Peron » Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:02 am

Yeah sorry I was in a hurry so my post was not that clear. Experimental science has nothing to do with making jobs or benefiting humanity, experiments are tools the scientists use to test a new found effect. A experiment is nothing but a test, it is at it's bare bones not even a science.
Yes and if these theoretical physics have dissolved into so much useless crap, then what? Theoretical physics spend billions of tax payers dollars each year. You should keep that in mind. If they don't benefit humanity then why should I care about these theories?
Maybe highlight the part that I say theoretical science has no benefits? I said it's not about making benefits, it's about understanding nature. Then I closed with this;
With out a understanding of nature, how are we supposed to create energy? or Feed ourselves? or Survive?/quote]

With out theoretical physics, you would not have nanotechnology or Quantum mechanics. From studying nature we can create amazing thecnology. Some examples are, "Quantum computers, quantum cryptography, nano assemblers, nano probes, etc."

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Re: Incredible manufacturing technology made possibly by plasma.

Post by Influx » Fri Sep 25, 2009 11:20 am

Peron wrote:Theoretical physics, which is a completely different field, wants to understand the natural world around us, it has nothing to do with making jobs or benefiting you....
You are backpedaling now.....
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Re: Incredible manufacturing technology made possibly by plasma.

Post by Peron » Fri Sep 25, 2009 11:56 pm

Influx wrote:
Peron wrote:Theoretical physics, which is a completely different field, wants to understand the natural world around us, it has nothing to do with making jobs or benefiting you....
You are backpedaling now.....
I asked you to highlight the part where I said, that theoretical physics has no benefits since you said, "If they don't benefit humanity then why should I care about these theories?"
I said It is not about benefiting humanity. Notice I did not say it had no useful applications, which I gave some examples of in my previous post.

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Re: Incredible manufacturing technology made possibly by plasma.

Post by Peron » Sat Sep 26, 2009 12:01 am

In other words, It's not their goal to make new technology to benefit humanity. They want to explain how nature works, from understanding nature we are able to build better technologies.

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