Casting Out Nines, Structure and Function of Real Numbers

[junglelord]

As early as 1917 de Lubicz published a study on numbers in
which he explained that they were merely names applied to the
functions and principles upon which the universe is created
and maintained , that from the interplay of numbers result the
phenomena of the physical world. He also wrote that to understand
properly the successive steps of creation one must first
know the development of abstract numbers and how the many
are derived from the one .

As de Lubicz launches into his science of numbers, West
paraphrases and synthesises his text into a coherent and easily
assimilated thesis which shows how Plato and Pythagoras derived
what they knew of both number and wisdom from the
science of ancient Egypt .

The discovery of the irrational and of the laws of harmony
and proportion were attributed to Pythagoras, the disconcertingly
semi-legendary mystic and mathematician (ca .580-500BC )
to whom was also attributed the development of
Pythagorean number mysticism: the theory that numbers have
innate meaning. Although this latter theory has been a subject
of some merriment among modern scholars, it is undergoing a
strong revival , and understood in context it is a means, perhaps
the best means, of understanding the world we experience.

Thats what I discovered. Its really ancient knowledge.
Its also something we can all relate to with your innear knowledge.

[lizzie]

JL – am I understanding you correctly (more or less)?

Space is filled with non-material structures that create push/pull (tensegrity). You said something about electromagnetic ropes a la Bucky. The EM ropes twist clockwise and counterclockwise, but never both.

When a sufficient number of these electromagnetic ropes join together, they create a Golden Mean Spiral Vortex. The Golden Mean Spiral Vortex, in turn, creates all the non-material structures (sacred geometry) that make the universe and all matter.

Or do you think that Golden Mean Spirals could exist as "nested" energy flow pathways (vortices) in space?

If they exist as nested vortices in space, then the electromagnetic ropes could be drawn into them and spiral down and create the non-material structures (sacred geometry) that in turn create the universe.

The number that Fibonacci ratio spirals around is phi. So you should be able to determine where on the Golden Mean Spiral, these sacred geometrical shapes would form.

They unfold and refold into all the other geometric forms just like the Zome model.

Isn’t the dodecahedron supposed to be the form that contains all the other forms? Is this the non-material structure that forms first?

http://relativity.phys.lsu.edu/ilqgs/lisi111307.pdf

This seems to indicate that these electromagnetic ropes start out separated points in space; as they get closer together, or as the space between them shrinks, they begin to form patterns that resemble sacred geometric mandalas. At some point they enter into (or are drawn into) the Golden Mean Spiral Vortex.

Astrophysicists like Paul LaViolette propose systems processes that support the continuous creation and destruction of matter. However, your model would allow for the continual creation/destruction of an infinite number of universes along an infinite number of Golden Mean Spiral Vortices.

Golden Spiral
http://www.vashti.net/mceinc/golden.htm

If you start with the numbers 0 and 1, and make a list in which each new number is the sum of the previous two, you get a list like this:
0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55, 89, 144, to infinity-->

This is called a 'Fibonacci series'.
If you then take the ratio of any two sequential numbers in this series, you'll find that it falls into an increasingly narrow range:

1/0 = Whoa! That one doesn't count.
1/1 = 1
2/1 = 2
3/2 = 1.5
5/3 = 1.6666...
8/5 = 1.6
13/8 = 1.625
21/13 = 1.61538...
34/21 = 1.61904...
and so on, with each addition coming ever closer to multiplying by some as-yet-undetermined number.

The number that this ratio is oscillating around is phi (1.6180339887499...)It's interesting to note that the ratio 21/13 differs from phi by less than .003, and 34/21 by only about .001 (less than 1/10 of one percent!), thus providing our less technically-advanced ancestors an easy way to derive phi on a large scale in the real world with a high degree of precision

It's interesting to note that the ratio 21/13 differs from phi by less than .003, and 34/21 by only about .001 (less than 1/10 of one percent!), thus providing our less technically-advanced ancestors an easy way to derive phi on a large scale in the real world with a high degree of precision.

Rather than using “photon holes”, can you show how radiation pressure acts upon non-material structures (electromagnetic ropes) and creates "push/pull" (torsion) fields in space?

Gravity and Inertia via Radiation
http://home.netcom.com/~sbyers11/index.html

All forces that act through a distance are attributed to cosmic radiation pressure and shadowing of these frequencies by matter. The shadowing causes a local unbalanced flow in the normally balanced radiation frequency flows of space. All matter exists as interference patterns in the Prime background radiation frequencies of space. A surface gravity and/or radiation pressure limit are shown to exist when the radiation flow is totally shielded by large planets. The cause for the inverse square laws of physics is shown to be a natural result of shadowing geometry with distance. Data and graphs are presented demonstrating the gravitational shadowing for our solar system planets.

Push Pull Model of Gravity
http://www.johnkharms.com/gravityholes.htm

This model might be called "push-pull gravity". The electromagnetic field applies both pushes and pulls to bodies in the field. This is accomplished via photons and photon "holes" in the field traveling both forward and backward-in-time respectively. Two images are provided to help the reader better understand the points made within the text. Since in the author's other work on electromagnetic forces that both photons and photon holes are utilized, so in this text, gravity becomes an effect of both photons and photon holes. In this way, gravity can be understood to be electromagnetic in nature and, thus, the two forces may be unified. The probable consequences of this text are discussed.

All forces that act through a distance are attributed to cosmic radiation pressure and shadowing of these frequencies by matter. The shadowing causes a local unbalanced flow in the normally balanced radiation frequency flows of space. All matter exists as interference patterns in the Prime background radiation frequencies of space. A surface gravity and/or radiation pressure limit are shown to exist when the radiation flow is totally shielded by large planets. The cause for the inverse square laws of physics is shown to be a natural result of shadowing geometry with distance. Data and graphs are presented demonstrating the gravitational shadowing for our solar system planets.

If any of the above is true, does this mean that there is an "accurate" way to predict the 2012 Earth changes? During the Great Year there is a unique alignment between the galactic center, the sun, the earth and all the planets.

Spira Solaris
http://www.spirasolaris.ca/spirasolaris.html

FORM AND PHYLLOTAXIS

It is well known that the arrangement of the leaves in plants may be expressed by very simple series of fractions, all of which are gradual approximations to, or the natural means between 1/2 or 1/3, which two fractions are themselves the maximum and the minimum divergence between two single successive leaves. The normal series of fractions which expresses the various combinations most frequently observed among the leaves of plants is as follows: 1/2, 1/3, 2/5, 3/8, 5/13, 8/21, 13/34, 21/55, etc. Now upon comparing this arrangement of the leaves in plants with the revolutions of the members of our solar system, Peirce has discovered the most perfect identity between the fundamental laws which regulate both.

The Solar System is Pheidian in Form and Phyllotactic in Nature.

"Modern science has realized some of the most fanciful of the Pythagorean and Platonic doctrines, and thereby justified the divinity of their spiritual instincts. Is it not significant of the nature of the creative intellect, the simplicity of the great laws of force? The fact that the same curious series of numbers is developed by the growing plant which assisted in marshalling the order of the planets? And that the marriage of the elements cannot be consummated except in strict accordance with the laws of definite proportion? ” (Address of Professor Benjamin Peirce, President of the Association of the American Association for the Year 1853, on retiring from the duties of President. 1853:6–7; "Printed by Order of the Association." (The Cornell Library Historical Mathematics Monographs (JPG) emphases supplied. Html version: Peirce 1853 ).

[kevin]

Lizzie,
as ever excellent link's and linkages.
I think of the universe as alive, with a kind of season occuring to it, and that is to scale mirrored out from the surface of where you the observer are situated.
thus as the flows incoming meet the correct opposite outgoing condition ( positive and negative balance)
creation takes places, plants grow, crops thrive, but as the two way flows reach a point where this creation ceases, it then turns into a condition where anhilation occurs and the crops dissolve back into the flows.
You will thus have a kind of resistance to the free flow through the planet in the direction where creation is pointing at the planet, and an increase in the flows in the opposite season.
All of these flows will be determined out in universe, with such as this planet almost just following the main flows, if i think this out to an edge of universe I see a multiple sided geometric shape that is subjected to similer all around it, I give up there because it's too much.
As for the TIMING of the flows, I consider before any clocks, this was the time governing all life.

we have become dominated by this stupid clock system, instead of relying on our senses of the flows, the geometry of the system will encode the numbers, the patterns and the cyclic flow of TIME.
Kevin

[junglelord]

I understand PHI and phi as a product of the relationship between the quantum 2 spin Aether unit and the Primary Angular Momentum contained within it. It is the first product at the end of a full Aether cycle and appear fittingly enough at the beginning of the second cycle or the 5 Aether Unit. This relationship of two seperate spins to form the Golden Mean is a ratio as it should be, as the Golden Mean is a ratio. Does that help?

I do not like the rope, thread, anology. I prefer Distributed Charge. Distributed charge forms repeating forms via Aether cycles. This is a VE Matrix model as Charge is Sphereical or Torodial. It is not a rope, or a thread.

Mass is however a 2-D circular string. Nothing ever happens to Mass in APM. So with that definition in mind, its not practical to get all tied up in knots over string theory.

[lizzie]

Quoting from: Sacred geometry: Invisible blueprint of life

November 13, 2006 10:06 am - By Teddye Snell, Press Staff Writer

It was this fifth solid Gilbert expounded upon.

“The dodecahedron was not widely taught,” said Gilbert. “It is the pure, spiritual lifeforce, and people were told to keep it hidden, as if it were misused, it could create terrible destruction.”

Gilbert indicated many scientists – including those with the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration – now believe the earth is shaped like a dodecahedron. Given this information, one of the nodes on the dodecahedron falls in the same area as the famous “Bermuda Triangle.”

“Using a dodecahedron on a world grid analysis, you’ll see the nodal points, pressure points in space and time,” said Gilbert. “Other nodal points on the earth have been known as ‘devil’s graveyards’ because space and time don’t work right.”

Modern scholars disregarded the idea of the Platonic solids until the 1980s, when Professor Emeritus Robert Moon at the University of Chicago demonstrated the entire periodic table of elements - everything known in the physical world - is based on these five forms.

“Moon worked on the Manhatten Project,” said Gilbert. “He discovered that the form for uranium is a double-dodecahedron. The periodic table is a revelation of the spirit - thoughts from the mind of God.”

Gilbert showed a slide of the first nuclear weapon: Its shape was a dodecahedron.

The Harmonic Conquest of Space
http://www.whale.to/m/cathie.html

The basic grid structure was formed by a series of great circles interlocking at various points around the Earth’s surface. The nodal points of the two grids, when joined by series of small and great circles formed what I have loosely termed polar squares around the north and south geographic poles. It was when I carried out a geometric and mathematical analysis of these sections that I found a direct connection with light, gravity and mass equivalents in a harmonic sense. To do this, I had to convert all our normal systems of measurement into a single set of units, and also convert our time measure into one that would correlate with the grid. After much thought and a long period of trial and error, I finally discovered that angular measure in minute-of-arc values, and a time unit based on twenty-seven units for one revolution of the Earth, was the key to the unlocking of the grid secrets.

It was only a matter of time before I realised that the energy network formed by the grid was already known to a powerful group of international interests and scientists. It became obvious that the system had many military applications, and that political advantage could be gained by those with secret knowledge of this nature. It would be possible for a comparatively small group, with this knowledge, to take over control of the world. I have continually asked these people for a valid moral reason why the information should not be given to the world community, and so far no answer has been given. So I carry on publishing the material as I find it.

One of the most startling facts that I discovered by application of grid mathematics was that an atomic bomb is a device based on the geometrics of space and time. To be successfully detonated, the bomb MUST be geometrically constructed, placed on, under, or over a geometric position in relation to the Earth’s surface, and activated at a SPECIFIC TIME in relation to the geometrics of the solar system. I found that it was possible to precalculate the time of various bomb tests, and the locations where it was possible to explode a bomb.

According to the mathematical complexities of unlocking the geometric structure of the unstable material constituting a bomb in order to create a sudden release of energy, I realised that an all-out atomic war was an impossibility. Both sides could precalculate well in advance the time and positions of atomic attack. Plus the fact that only certain geometric locations could be devastated anyhow. A logical war cannot be considered under these circumstances. This could be the explanation for the proliferation of conventional weapons in modern warfare

[allynh]

Every time I think that I can start consolidating what I know, I stumble across something I missed that adds, expands, transforms the whole.

This is from the TED talks. The visual examples he gives of the particles structure and E8 Theory are amazing.

Garrett Lisi: A beautiful new theory of everything
http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/garr ... thing.html

His website is at:

A. Garrett Lisi
http://sifter.org/~aglisi/

A physical sculpture of the structure is at:

E8 crystal
http://www.bathsheba.com/crystal/e8/

An interactive visual web page showing the structure is at:

Elementary Particle Explorer
http://deferentialgeometry.org/epe/

I thought you guys might enjoy the interactive aspect of the web page. Check it out.

I like the idea of the Zome model, but I need to see if I can duplicate this using graphics software first.

Thanks...

[GaryN]

Of course I like this model, it's Tetrahedral. Bucky was almost there with some of his models, but could this be the perfect PT? Lots of 9s in there anyway, JL.

These are the only four possible rectangles that could have perimeter of 18, given that only natural numbers can be used. What can it possibly mean? Can it be just a coincidence?

The answer is: absolutely not, this is not a coincidence. In the world of 3D geometry there is one shape that, if sliced in the certain way, will produce rectangles with the same proportions, orientation, alignment and order as the spdf blocks of the ADOMAH PT. This shape is known as the Regular Tetrahedron.

http://perfectperiodictable.com/

[StevenO]

Nah, this tetrahedron solution is artificial. I like this circular one, based on Reciprocal System Theory absolutely best:

[junglelord]

3-d Periodic table tetrahedrons are more artificial then 2-d circular tables?
The simple rule of thumb, that is being expressed from our conversations, yet my buddy Steven is not willing to conceed is that the universe can be viewed as different orders of complexity. At this point Steven is craving only one level of complexity. When ever we present an order of complexity that is at another level of progession, he says its fake....or not necessary.

Come on Steven, you know full well that order and complexity builds as levels of dimensions increase.
Its invalid to dismiss something valid like colour, (unless your legally blind), yet there is no colour at the level of charge.

You guys understand what I mean about levels of complexity?

Therefore the 3-d tetrahedron periodic table is very important and about higher levels of complexity.

[StevenO]

Tetrahedrons are artificial? Periodic table tetrahedrons are more artificial then circular tables?
The simple rule of thumb, that is being expressed from our conversations, yet my buddy Steven is not willing to conceed is that the universe can be viewed as different orders of complexity. At this point Steven is craving only one level of complexity. When ever we present an order of complexity that is at another level of progession, he says its fake....or not necessary.

Come on Steven, you know full well that order and complexity builds as levels of dimensions increase.
Its invalid to dismiss something valid like colour, (unless your legally blind), yet there is no colour at the level of charge.

You guys understand what I mean about levels of complexity?

Hiding in complexity is a classic mess. Geometry is math, not physics.

[junglelord]

Hiding in complexity?
Geometry is structure not math.

[flyingcloud]

more like hiding in simplicity

[GaryN]

more like hiding in simplicity

That about sums up the whole Universe I'd say, flyingcloiud. We are looking for complexity where none exists.

Einstein:

It should be possible to explain the laws of physics to a barmaid.

If you can't explain something simply, you don't know enough about it.

[StevenO]

Indeed. Everything should be as simple as possible, but not simpler than that according to Einstein.

To return to the OP, I hold that the use of real numbers in physics is an historical flaw. The natural numbers (and rational numbers if you insist on expressing ratio's) will do just fine for physics. If you do not believe me, first read Miles Mathis rederivation of the calculus. Then realize that a real number is a natural number to which we have added a comma, so it is equivalent to two natural numbers. It's a two dimensional number, like a rational.