Aether Battery Iron Sun Theory

[Lloyd]

Part Three
Comparison of Brant's and Thornhill's Models
* Thornhill's illustration (from the Thunderbolts eBook "The Sun") shows a relatively warm/hot photosphere, above a relatively cooler internal atmosphere and a cool liquid / solid body below that.
http://www.holoscience.com/news/img/Electric%20Sun.jpg

* The difference between Brant's model and Thornhill's is that the Sun's atmosphere below the photosphere is less than 20,000 km thick, instead of 200,000 km thick. Also, in Brant's model the solid shell covers a non-solid core.

[upriver]

Eric: If you take a low pressure gas (in a bulb) and place it in 2 superimposed dielectric fields, then you get spiral formations such as Reich wrote about in his book Cosmic Superimposition. These formations appear as spheres, galaxies, and other cosmic forms.
http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/forum/phpB ... f=8&t=2882

"Luminous World" Baron Karl von Reichenbach
In all of this, the Baron was progressively moving toward an astounding demonstration, which, he believed, would give an unequivocal explanation for the Aurora Borealis. An electromagnet, placed within a large hollow iron sphere, was examined in the darkroom under varying degrees of electrification. The Baron referred to the iron globe as his "terrella", or, "little earth". The electromagnet poised within this globe, he raised the rheostat in degrees. Sensitives clearly saw a very intensified color display, which proceeded from both poles toward the center. These intensely colored flames struck out across the outer globe surface in sharp, very bright flares. Observation taught that Od lights of such great extent did not adhere, but freely flowed over the surface of conductive materials.

Each such flare occurred as a sharp discharge from the pole surface, proceeding in radial directions. The colors varied across the polar surface along succinct radial directions outward: Od light meridians. Moreover, isolated filaments gathered the Od discharges into distinct bundles. These wandered over the outer globe surface in meandering flares, flickering to and fro like discharges. Together, these meandering radial flares produced a flashing multicolored display. He was convinced that magnetic Od produced the Aurora Borealis.
http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/history/odenergy.htm

[Lloyd]

* We need to move this thread back near the front for a spell.
* Here are some links that may be helpful.
Iron Sun TPOD: http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/ ... on-sun.htm
Michael Mozina's site with lots of images: http://www.thesurfaceofthesun.com/contact.htm

[Lloyd]

Iron Sun Evidence
* This is another website devoted to Manuel's Iron Sun model: http://www.ballofiron.com. These two graphs from there make it easy to understand the Sun's composition.
http://www.omatumr.com/images/Figure1withCaption.jpg

* Hydrogen, Helium, Oxygen, Carbon and Neon are shown as the most abundant elements on the Sun's surface, but it looks like Nitrogen is just as abundant as Neon. Also, Magnesium, Silicon, Iron and Sulfur are close behind Neon.
http://www.omatumr.com/images/Figure4withCaption.jpg

* Iron appears to be far more abundant than anything else at about 10^7.74=56 million. Nickel looks about 10^6.14= 1.4 million. Oxygen looks about 10^6.06=1.1 million. Sulfur and Silicon are both very near 10^6.00=1 million. Both Neon and Argon look about 10^5.88=750,000. Magnesium is slightly lower, followed by Calcium, Chromium and Manganese. Boron and Helium are a bit over 100,000. Cobalt, Zinc, Carbon and Lead are very near 100,000 and Aluminum is just below that.
* Lead may be the biggest surprise, to be so abundant, when it's so much denser than the others.

[Lloyd]

* In the last graph above, it's hard to see the comparison between each of the element abundances composing the Sun, so I think this may help, showing a comparison of 1 dimension of volume (cu means cubed):
1) Fe=56=3.8cu; 2) Ni=1.4=1.1cu; 3) O,Si,S=1=1.0cu; 4) Ne,Ar=.91cu; 5) Mg=.87cu; 6) Ca,Cr,Mn=.8cu; 7) B,He=.6cu; 8) Co,Zn,C,Pb=.47cu; 9) Al=.45cu

[Lloyd]

Cold Fusion in the Sun?
* This forum thread talks about the possibility of cold fusion going on in the iron-nickel Sun: http://groups.google.com/group/openmanu ... 695d5a3e1f. It seems that Nickel would be the key to the cold fusion.
Earlier Iron Sun Theory
* At http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/altc ... essage/477 Oliver Manuel said:

Fred Hoyle stated in his autobiography, "Home Is Where the Wind Blows", that most of his acquaintances in the astrophysics community believed that the Sun was mostly iron during WWII -- prior to development of the hydrogen bomb.

[Lloyd]

I asked Chandler and Mozina: Do both of you consider Brant's hollow iron sphere model impossible? I think he says the solid iron shell is about 140,000 miles thick and inside I guess would be a gas, liquid, or maybe plasma. He considers gravity to be a surface effect. What about that?

Chandler replied: What is the reasoning in favor of a hollow sphere? Is it that it would act as a better antenna? I think I just don’t understand what he’s saying.

* I'll try to ask him, but I think he thinks it's iron because of the TRACE, THEMIS and SDO running difference images and the high amount of iron in the solar spectrum. I would guess he thinks it's hollow in order to account for the Sun's density, but, since he says gravity is a surface effect, I guess that would be contradictory. But I think he likes to compare the Sun to Birkeland's terella and to hollow electrodes. I think he gets the idea also from how geodes are formed hollow, apparently by electrical discharges to the Earth.
* On the first page of this thread I quoted Brant as saying this:

#82- In experiments with arcs, hollow spherules are formed in intense arc explosions with metals.
<<Brant says the Sun's iron shell is probably 1/3 of its radius, which would be about 144,000 miles thick.>>
#82- A thick hollow shell made of iron with other trace elements alloyed with the iron formed in a supernova.
#82- The hollow iron shell accounts for solar density measurements, although it requires a slightly different model of gravity.

[orrery]

I noticed that there were no references to the website http://www.thesurfaceofthesun.com/ in any of the posts on this thread. I felt it did a fantastic job in describing the Birkeland Solar Model.

[CharlesChandler]

As concerns a hollow iron spherule that formed when an arc discharge passed through molten iron, then what? For the next stage of the experiment, you have to take that cooled iron spherule, and to make it like a Sun, you have to initiate another arc discharge, so you'll get a photospheric effect around the edge of the spherule. The temperature should average 6,000 K, and it should be sustained. How are you going to keep that heat from permeating the iron shell, and converting the solid to plasma, at which time the hollow iron shell will fail?

[Lloyd]

* Orrery said Mozina's site does a great job explaining the Birkeland solar model. His site wasn't mentioned on this thread, because this one is about Brant's theory, but Brant and Mozina have collaborated somewhat. Reports on Mozina and Charles's discussion are at this thread http://thunderbolts.info/wp/forum/phpBB3/v ... =10&t=6124, which includes both of their websites. Now that they've discussed theirs quite a bit, I wanted to see if anything in Brant's theory might help theirs.
* Charles, if you get time to read the earlier parts of this thread, you'll find a few answers to your questions. I don't think Brant says an electric current passed through molten iron to form the Sun. thinks the temperature of the surface of the photosphere is 5,800K only on average and that it includes extremely high temperatures of coronal loops etc, so he thinks the iron surface is only about 1,000K between hot spots and the hot spots are about 1 million K or so. He thinks electrons form within the iron shell and form electric currents outward, if I remember right.

[upriver]

Impossible cosmic event: NASA telescope captures moment massive object ejects out of Black Hole
http://www.ewao.com/a/impossible-cosmic ... lack-hole/

Seyferts eject iron cores that become stars... If its a BB spectrum then the surface is solid....

"At energies below a few keV, an enhancement of flux above the underlying power law is commonly seen in AGN spectra. The origin of this so-called ‘soft excess’ is a long-standing, unsolved puzzle in AGN studies (see review by Mushotzky, Done & Pounds 1993). The possible identification of the soft excess as due to inverse Compton scattering of ultraviolet disc photons has been challenged by the apparent rather constant ‘temperature’ of the excess (e.g. Gierlinski & Done 2004; Crummy et al. 2006)."


" The soft excess in an ASCA spectrum could be modelled as a blackbody (Reynolds 1997), an additional steep power-law component (George et al. 1998), or reflection from an ionized disc (Ballantyne, Iwasawa & Fabian 2001). Reynolds (1997) found also that the addition of an absorption edge to the underlying hard power-law component improved the fit. A BeppoSAX spectrum could be modelled similarly to the ASCA spectrum (Bianchi et al. 2001). A narrow iron line, consistent with arising from neutral material, was detected in the ASCA spectrum with an equivalent width (EW) of ∼100 eV (Nandra et al. 1997). "

http://mnrasl.oxfordjournals.org/content/381/1/L94.full

[Lloyd]

Hi Brant. You ought to try to translate all that into layman's terms. I don't think you believe in black holes, so, if not, then what are the objects being ejected from? Just the AGN, i.e. active galactic nucleus?

You say only a solid can give off blackbody radiation, but I think Charles found that supercritical fluids also give off BB. Are you unable to believe that?

[CharlesChandler]

I don't think you believe in black holes, so, if not, then what are the objects being ejected from?

I'll let Brant answer this for himself, but when scientists talk about "supermassive black holes powering some of the brightest objects in the Universe", they're talking about quasars. Before quasars were discovered, a black hole was just a wild-n-crazy idea that some people thought was predicted by general relativity (though Einstein dismissed the idea), and which had no utility. But when scientists realized that quasars were point sources, and couldn't come up with an energy source capable of producing such luminosity, black holes all of a sudden had a purpose, and that's when they entered the mainstream.

You say only a solid can give off blackbody radiation, but I think Charles found that supercritical fluids also give off BB.

I got that piece from Brant. But perhaps my interpretation is different.

[nick c]

Several posts concerning the visibility or not of stars in space have been moved to:
http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/forum/phpB ... &start=780

The discussion of that subject on this thread is off topic.

[upriver]

Hi Brant. You ought to try to translate all that into layman's terms. I don't think you believe in black holes, so, if not, then what are the objects being ejected from? Just the AGN, i.e. active galactic nucleus?

You say only a solid can give off blackbody radiation, but I think Charles found that supercritical fluids also give off BB. Are you unable to believe that?

The large amount of iron in almost every AGN and galactic cores have never been explained to my satisfaction... Why is there so much iron???

The ASCA observations are from a Japanese x-ray sat...
http://science.nasa.gov/missions/asca/

This web page has a pretty good description of iron features..
THE BASICS OF THE BROAD IRON LINE
"A substantial amount of the power in AGN is thought to be emitted as X-rays from the accretion disk corona in active or flaring regions. Thermal Comptonization (i.e. multiple inverse Compton scattering by hot thermal electrons; Zdziarski et al. 1994) of soft optical/UV disk photons by the corona naturally gives rise to a power-law X-ray spectrum. The flares irradiate the accretion disk which is relatively cold resulting in the formation of a ``reflection'' component within the X-ray spectrum. A similar component is produced in the Solar spectrum by flares on the solar photosphere (Bai & Ramaty 1978), in X-ray binaries by irradiation of the stellar companion (Basko 1978) and in accreting white dwarfs."
https://ned.ipac.caltech.edu/level5/Fab ... tents.html

My model of sun formation has changed since the beginning of this thread...

AGN's may be a defect in space where kinetic energy is transmuted into electrons and protons ALA Arp and Narlikar... How the defect got there dont know...

I think that it possible that galactic cores(iron) are ejected from AGN's. And then from that galactic core, stars are ejected similar to the center of our galaxy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duoHtJpo4GY

From there the stars disperse into the galaxy. The center of a galaxy also generates Hydrogen which diffuses outward and infalls on to the star and that creates the elements on the surface of our/a sun through fusion...

Somehow iron is the end of the major/high energy transmutation chain. Then on a sun the lower energy transmutation chain is in effect..

Blackbodies emission spectrum seems to rely on material density... According to Robitallie, liquids give a spectrum that changes with Nadir angle. If there is a supercritical fluid spectrum that shows blackbody instead of continuum, I would be convinced...