Avatar, and the Antediluvian Peace

[Orlando]

Imagine a species spending billions of dollars willing to kill and destroy whomever is in their way to monopolize
the rare element 'UNobtainium' ? should have used a magnetic reconection machine and extract it from the nearest black hole, silly humans.

Peace
Or

[tholden]

That was one of a small handful of things which bothered me about the movie. The cost of getting to AC would so totally dwarf the value of anything you could conceivably mine there as to make the basic thesis of the movie a joke.

I didn't like the hair connections, I mean, you either have telepathic communications, or you don't. The idea of plug-in connect life forms struck me as bad thinking on Cameron's part.

The pseudo-religious ideas of the movie would have to bother anybody who keeps up with events. Environmentalism causes vastly more harm in the world today than it prevents.

I can't believe the film showed people shooting bows with two fingers. I've never heard of anybody shooting any sort of a real bow like that; you shoot a bow with three fingers, a thumb ring, or a modern release device and, far as I know, those are about the only three choices there are.

Cameron isn't generally noted for tree-hugging themes in movies. His specialty seems to be adventure/love stories and that's basically what this one is. The film is extremely charming and more plausible than most scifi flicks in numerous ways, and the effects are so far beyond anything ever seen previously that it basically has to be seen, and it almost has to be seen on the big screen with the 3d glasses.

In other words, the leftist theology does not suffice to ruin the film.

[tholden]

Couple of other things Cameron didn't really think very hard about....

The humanoids having two legs and two arms like us while every other creature on the planet past some small size has six legs. I mean, you don't have to believe in evolution to see that as a problem...

The female na-vi having breasts; nothing else on the planet looks terribly mammalian or anything like that...

The na-vi having tails. There's a really good reason why creatures which walk straight upright as we do don't have tails, i.e. tails naturally go straight out from the spine, and an upright creature's tail would drag on the ground most of the time......

Again for all of that this film was significantly more plausible than most sci-fi.

[Orlando]

I found that concept of the hair very symbolic as it is a sense organ attatched to our largest respiratory organ the skin, I took it as a way that symbolizes our disconnection with our field that interacts with our environment, so because we were not socially enlightened as to the beauty of our interactions with nature no matter how subtle, do contribute to our connection in this illusory disconnected body.

We wear shoes, clothes and have morbid fears of Insects.

What was really interesting was the message showing how their advancement of technology found a way to scientifically experiment and detect this Energy that's was Financed by the minor expedition only to find the Na-vi did it spiritually. Huge statement of our state of affairs.
In our insatiable quest to unlock the secrets of Nature we destroy it!

The more rocks we look under we seem to find more rocks to look under.

Our education system lacks a media pedigogy that links with our ancestoral Mythology.
And most importantly The sacred symbolism.

Agreed there are many ways to present these lessons in life but we must take into account the whole audience and their stages of interpretation.

We should focus on the value of what this Drama is conveying as these represent an analogy tool as opposed to eye candy endorphined junkies oohs and awes!

"even the dull and ignorant have a story to tell"~ Socrates-Platos Republic

Peace
Or

[tholden]

We wear shoes, clothes and have morbid fears of Insects.

Possibly because malaria and malaria-bearing mosquitoes still kill so many of us...

If somebody were to ask you who was the greatest mass murderer of all times, what would you tell them?

[Grey Cloud]

We wear shoes, clothes and have morbid fears of Insects.

Possibly because malaria and malaria-bearing mosquitoes still kill so many of us...

If somebody were to ask you who was the greatest mass murderer of all times, what would you tell them?

Kain. He killed a quarter of the world's population in one go.

Or, on a more serious note, Ignorance.

[Orlando]

Fair enough, but i imagine that nobody knows anything about human history and that we are the most studied and domesticated of all the species on this planet, our very existence goes against the conservation of energy Laws.

If shoes where so important why don't we grow pads like other animals have , what makes man so special as to warrant opting out of the natural processes that all life adheres to, i don't need proof from selective thinkers who theorize and then squish the universe in that model, why are all animals uniquely fitted to their environment, yet we require the most care merely to eat, sleep and dress, you would think an Animal as advanced as a human could have come up with a better way to adapt to its environment than it has chosen?

How sure are we that;

A: Malaria came about because we have lost certain natural defenses through domestication?
B: Malaria was introduced by man in the recent past?
C:How can we be sure anything we are told about our history is valid?
D:How many species in this Universe spend more on hair removal than the inhabitants of the developed countries on Earth
E:How many living organisms try to remove or alter their appearance because they don't like the way they look?

Shoes suck, clothes suck and the 70"S proved that hair is where its at.

Peace
Or

[tholden]

If somebody were to ask you who was the greatest mass murderer of all times, what would you tell them?

Kain. He killed a quarter of the world's population in one go. ...

The greatest mass murderer of all time would be Rachel Carson (the thing about the 100,000,000 people who've died needlessly from malaria since the banning of DDT). Hitler, Mao, and Stalin would be distant second, third, and fourth places and Chingis Khan would be back in fifth place more or less.

See if you can believe this: I have a friend who actually took some sort of a biology course under Heinz Meng himself, America's foremost expert on raptors and the man who reintroduced peregrines into Baltimore to solve the pigeon problem back in the 70s. My buddy asked Meng point blank in the classroom about DDT and birds of prey, and the man answered that everything we've ever read about DDT is a bunch of bullshit, that it's harmless to birds of prey, and that eagles and hawks were dying out in the 40s and 50s because people were using them for shotgun practice i.e. they were dying from lead poisoning.

And then starting in the 60s farmers started keeping chickens in cages and nobody cared about hawks any more, and they came back. In other words, it was a technological advance i.e. an improvement in farming practices which brought the eagles and hawks back, and DDT wasn't involved at all.

[junglelord]

Thats crap and I do not believe a word of it.
DDT is posion and anyone who believes otherwise is sorely mislead.

[tholden]

DDT was a legitimate candidate for greatest thing the white man ever invented.

http://www.junkscience.com/ddtfaq.html

The only problem there ever was with it was the massive overuse involved in using it as an area pesticide for crops.

[tholden]

Apaprently a lot of thought went into the starship which you see in Cameron's Avatar:

http://james-camerons-avatar.wikia.com/ ... nture_Star

This is the closest thing there has ever been to a realistic depiction of a workable intersteller vehicle in any movie. If the film had ended after the scenes involving the Venture Star i.e. after the first ten minutes, the audience would have gotten their money's worth.



By way of contrast, archery is supposed to be well known and understood in the year 2010, and the depiction of archery in Avatar is idiotic:



Discussion on FR:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2445628/posts

[Influx]

Apaprently a lot of thought went into the starship which you see in Cameron's Avatar:

Yes, but, without antimatter its not going anywhere! So, if the RDA could make so much antimatter in the first place, then unabtaniam would be useless and the mission a total waste of time, energy and resources.

By way of contrast, archery is supposed to be well known and understood in the year 2010, and the depiction of archery in Avatar is idiotic:

These people are 10 foot tall with natural carbon fiber in their bones. Plus the Na'vi are incredibly strong as demonstrated by the fact that Jake in Avatar form could easily fight the exo-battle suit!

With so much strength I think they can hold the bow and the arrow whichever way they damn please.