Did lightning kill the dinosaurs?

[Grey Cloud]

Hi Mague,

Hard to tell what those locations had in common 60-120 million years ago.

True but who said anything about millions of years ago?

[mague]

Hi Mague,

Hard to tell what those locations had in common 60-120 million years ago.

True but who said anything about millions of years ago?

The geologist girl sitting in the office next to me

I am not convinced yet that earth was an orbiting moon "yesterday". The theory itself sounds plausible, just the time frames seem to me a bit short.
But time is relative to me and i am willing to settle with "back then"

Antithesis: Back then there was a lot of water in the upper atmosphere. Lots of tiny snow crystals. Those reflected light and created a very different illumination on earth and probably higher global temperatures. For some reasons they fell down and it started to rain and rain and rain.

[flyingcloud]

and they all got sick, infections, and no doctors

[moses]

and they all got sick, infections, and no doctors

No wonder they survived !
Mo

[flyingcloud]

some always do

[Lloyd]

A cat sized animals chance to get hit in a forest is extremely low. The forests could have been in flames, but he dinosaur living in the oceans are hard to hit as well.

Hard to tell what those locations had in common 60-120 million years ago. - Mague

* Firstly, the Earth may not be nearly that old, like Venus, maybe only some thousands of years old. Cardona found that Saturn flared up periodically during the Saturn age. If Venus was formed in the last flare-up, Earth may have formed in one of the latter flare-ups too.
* Secondly, large areas like the Grand Canyon were apparently carved out by lightning, so don't think in terms of the little type of lightning we're familiar with today. And the much larger canyon on Mars was also carved in the same way it seems. So such megalightning could easily have wiped out many species of animals.

[GaryN]

Lloyd posted:

Firstly, the Earth may not be nearly that old

I'm leaning that direction myself. In fact, I get more and more suspicious of much of what we are told about the earths past.
As for extinctions, I haven't had time to look too deep in to the dinosaur graveyards, but there seem to be some concentrations in river sediment, and some in hundreds of feet deep strata, mixed in with the shattered bones of all kinds of animals, splintered wood, just a real mess.
I got to thinking though, that however they died, the trigger of the disaster was most probably lightning. A bolt hitting the ocean would produce a superheated steam explosion, producing, what, 500 mile an hour winds? That same event could depress the sea level and produce imense waves. The fire destruction is a given. Having seen the size of hailstones that can be produced in a regular storm, maybe a lot of animals got wiped out by beachball size ones!
Many destructions, 1 cause?

[GaryN]

Having seen the size of hailstones that can be produced in a regular storm, maybe a lot of animals got wiped out by beachball size ones!

Er, I'd like to upgrade my hailstones. Considerably.

Carolina Bays. The Carolina Bays are a group of »500,000 highly elliptical and often overlapping depressions scattered throughout the Atlantic Coastal Plain from New Jersey to Alabama (see SI Fig. 7). They range from ≈50 m to ≈10 km in length (10) and are up to ≈15 m deep with their parallel long axes oriented predominately to the northwest. The Bays have poorly stratified, sandy, elevated rims (up to 7 m) that often are higher to the southeast. All of the Bay rims examined were found to have, throughout their entire 1.5- to 5-m sandy rims, a typical assemblage of YDB markers (magnetic grains, magnetic microspherules, Ir, charcoal, soot, glass-like carbon, nanodiamonds, carbon spherules, and fullerenes with 3He). In Howard Bay, markers were concentrated throughout the rim, as well as in a discrete layer (15 cm thick) located 4 m deep at the base of the basin fill and containing peaks in magnetic microspherules and magnetic grains that are enriched in Ir (15 ppb), along with peaks in charcoal, carbon spherules, and glass-like carbon. In two Bay-lakes, Mattamuskeet and Phelps, glass-like carbon and peaks in magnetic grains (16-17 g/kg) were found ≈4 m below the water surface and 3 m deep in sediment that is younger than a marine shell hash that dates to the ocean highstand of the previous interglacial.

http://www.pnas.org/content/104/41/16016/suppl/DC1

All the markers of impact 'shock', with no evidence of impactors. The same markers can be produced by electrical activity. Iceballs from an electrical storm, produced within the ionosphere, and not coming from 'outer space'. When I yell 'duck!'...

[Lloyd]

* According to Cardona et al, myths suggest that most of the ocean waters were stored in the Earth's polar column initially, so there was little water in the oceans as yet. And there may have been no ocean basins at all; they seem to have been carved out electrically a few thousand years ago. There were shallow inland seas. The breakup of the Saturn System caused the fall of the water from the polar column, which brought the Great Flood. The links here talk about that flood and other kinds of floods:
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=site%3Ak ... TZlSg8c0wI

[GaryN]

Dis-info alert!

A distant supernova that exploded 41,000 years ago may have led to the extinction of the mammoth, according to research that will be presented by nuclear scientist Richard Firestone of the U.S. Department of Energy's Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab)

http://www.astrobio.net/index.php?optio ... il&id=1726

Why is Rense today pointing to a 4 year old article? And who ya' gonna believe?

[GaryN]

Gee, it wasn't comets that caused the extinctions. Wonder what it could have been?

New University of Washington research indicates it is highly unlikely that comets have caused any mass extinctions or have been responsible for more than one minor extinction event.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 141552.htm

[Grey Cloud]

Gee,it wasn't comets that caused the extinctions. Wonder what it could have been?

New University of Washington research indicates it is highly unlikely that comets have caused any mass extinctions or have been responsible for more than one minor extinction event.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 141552.htm

Probably a combination of things over a relatively prolonged period.

[Orlando]

All life on this Planet is governed by the Electrical frequencies.
At the Surface and especially on the Atomic level.
the distribution and sediments in the soils play a very important part in the frequencies
of these ionic particles, even the ones in the foods the Maminals eat.

So maybe it wasn't one lightning bolt, but Discharge machining and a change of frequency to the earth could do it.
Life energies are similar to battery chemistries and their charge/discharge variables.
change the charges, change the soil anion and cation contents and the Animal life will change accordingly.

Just my take on it.

Peace
Or

[Grey Cloud]

Hi Orlando,
EDM would have to cover virtually every square yard on the planet including the oceans and it wouldn't just kill dinosaurs.
To every thing there is a season. Dinosaurs had had their time. A signal from Galactic Centre (or wherever) to alter their DNA and they become infertile?

[GaryN]

Giant impact or giant thunderbolt?

A mysterious basin off the coast of India could be the largest, multi-ringed impact crater the world has ever seen. And if a new study is right, it may have been responsible for killing the dinosaurs off 65 million years ago.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 102246.htm

It will be interesting to hear what they come up with, but to me this is a thunderbolt. All the effects the bolide is supposed to have caused could be electrical. Oil and gas production I am convinced of, the volcanic eruptions and magma likely resistance heated by underground currents. The dinosaurs were killed by lightning, of course.
I read a piece recently that said that after the supposed meteor- caused extinction, the atmosphere must have cleared up much faster than they thought, forget the exact reason why, but this to me would also hint at an electrical rather than impact cause, the huge amount of dust and debris they thought would darken the skies for years, likely didn't exist.
Today, from the reading of articles on TB and elsewhere on the 'net, I feel the EU proposal has gained some serious traction, the evidence is mounting...