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The Fundamental Forces

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Re: The Fundamental Forces

Unread postby Zyxzevn » Thu May 08, 2014 7:30 pm

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Re: The Fundamental Forces

Unread postby Zyxzevn » Fri May 09, 2014 6:41 am

I made an error (I expected that already),
and I will go stand in the corner for a while. :oops:
Must have slept too little..
4am is too late I guess..
great ideas, less accuracy :roll:

V*V= E*C*C*N/(R*R*m)
should be
V*V= E*C*C*N/(R*m)
which gives V=2.20E6
Which is luckily only 1% of the speed of light. Pfff.
In big atoms it would be closer to 10% the speed of light.

Sorry I made this mistake, but I learned a bit from it.
1. Nobody else checks your calculations.. :-(
2. The weak force and the strong force, which are much closer to the nucleus,
are likely to be affected by relativity and quantum-laws.

From the latter I think that the weak and strong forces may be more related to quantum laws,
than actual forces.
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Re: The Fundamental Forces

Unread postby tayga » Fri May 09, 2014 11:42 am

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It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is, it doesn't matter how smart you are. If it doesn't agree with experiment, it's wrong.

- Richard P. Feynman

Normal science does not aim at novelties of fact or theory and, when successful, finds none.
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The magnetic current is the #4 fundamental force

Unread postby quantauniverse » Sat May 10, 2014 8:26 pm

It's proven that magnetic currents are always found in equal ratios to electric currents. The 4 fundamental forces must include magnetic currents. Superfluid math equates the zero vector=0 at the spin center. The zero vector is the most fundamentally important vector, and is the lab singularity where all the other component forces vanish or cancel out to nothing. This center is a perfect alignment shaped by Birkeland currents, where there is no spin, but a magnetic monopole interaction with antimatter or opposite spin. This happens by the proven 2 flow MHD model of Alfven. The superfluid component is the countervortice, to the normal component of dust and gases. Gravity is actually this center, and the charge separation of antimatter is the force. Hydrogen atoms, electrons as cooper pairs in superconduction, mesons, 4He, all atoms comprised of equal numbers of protons, neutrons, and electrons, and more particles, are all Bosons with no spin superfluid centers. Together stable antimatter and matter particles exist, and standard models refuse modernization or millions lose their jobs.
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Re: The Fundamental Forces

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Re: The Fundamental Forces

Unread postby krav » Fri Jun 20, 2014 5:54 pm

Hi all,

I've stumbled upon a (until now) satisfactory bottom-up quantum theory of Kinetic & Electro-Magnetic (KEM) fields and matter (as Tetrahedrals of field quanta).
Also in perfect agreement (as far as I know) with the direction of physics that the Electric Universe is suggesting.

As explained on websites: , , and youtube channel with very explainatory lectures .

What I like is that one can now build geometric scale models of all types of Matter, here is an example of the Electron as a stable geometric configuration of 12 planck quanta (as flat equilateral triangles) with a - 1/12 e charge, and a magnetic dipole moment. Note that in the configuration below the 3 Tetryons are held together by the opposite magnetic poles at the center.

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Electron model from planck quanta of charge -1/12 e (the elementary charge) as suggested by tetryonics theory.


If you want to see for yourself how this fits, please print the basic triangles on paper, cut or fold and learn some quantum mechanics:

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Re: The Fundamental Forces

Unread postby Sparky » Sat Jun 21, 2014 6:57 am

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"Doubt is not an agreeable condition, but certainty is an absurd one."
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Re: The Fundamental Forces

Unread postby Xantos » Sat Jun 21, 2014 12:49 pm

What we have to look and "meditate" upon with gedanken experiments are not forces, but principles. From the smallest of atoms to the largest of masses, the same basic principles apply:

- Pressure gradient
- Waves
- Energy
- Path of least resistance

Applying these same principles to electromagnetism and all other areas of life sciences will lead to new breakthroughs.

I was doing some "mental simulations" for an hour, imagining what it feels like to be a wave. If you observe yourself as a particle movement on a full wave cycle, sinusoid, you will see that electric potential is the carrier wave and magnetic field is the air vortex that is spining between two wavefronts therefore two different magnetic field vectors and two different electric field vectors.

You can also apply the same principles to batteries actually. The voltage is the pressure that builds up inside that "gas canister" that is a LiPo battery. When the current starts flowing, it is the magnetic field that gets created because of the same principle that the pressure creates the vortex inside the bathtub. The pressure of voltage is drilling with the voltage (pressure) a hole in the vector direction in the aether and the magnetic field is that vortex that would occur. The same aether space resistance probably creates cherenkov radiation which is basically a Mach cone.

It would be an interesting experiment to see if similar thing is occuring around a laminar wind jet current inside a wind tunnel. We have seen similar principle with droplets of water that were circling around the wire in space I think? There was a video on YouTube somewhere. This same reason is why plasmas make a coil.

If you think about, how vortex ring is created (that is the equivalent of magnetic field in an ordinary), why would magnetic field be any different than that. We all, as does the Nature, like simplicity. There has to be some sort of current(voltage) flowing across the positive and negative poles. A vacuum on one and pressure on other side. So if we take this same principle, could we create some sort of generator that harnesses magnetic fields? The magnets are essentially a perpetuum mobile, creating magnetic field as long as they exist.

We are missing a crucial piece of understanding here that is hiding in plain sight. Electric motors are equivalent to water turbines and both are very efficient, above 90% because they work on the same basic principle.

The real question here is...what is this interface of electromagnetic fluid? How can we harness its energy? We don't see any cars powered by compressed air because it is VERY inefficient. If we say that air is everywhere, and we are using it to power our gasoline engine, what is the equivalent effect in electromagnetism that would be as spark is to gasoline? THAT answer will be the paradigm shift of human civilization. Aether is everywhere. If it is not, then in that space there is nothing we could describe as existence because electrons and charges are everything that we know as existence. We are living inside a space that is filled with energy waiting to be harnessed. And as we discover, how we could harness that, the gates are open to populate solar system and beyond.
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Re: The Fundamental Forces

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Re: The Fundamental Forces

Unread postby Sparky » Sun Jun 22, 2014 5:40 am

here is tom bearden. http://youtu.be/eNU3MLqyzPk he has a website and other videos.

If you have a closed system, you can violate 2nd law....if you are using zpe/vacuum energy, that is an open system and 2nd law can not be violated.

What your video shows is a mystery to me. Don't see a schematic nor understand what is being said.
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Re: The Fundamental Forces

Unread postby Native » Sun Jun 22, 2014 7:47 am

Anyway, I´m pretty sure we can rule out all the gravitational ideas.

Take for instants the several decades of search for "dark matter" in connection to the galactic rotation anomaly and later cosmological connections too.

Scientists always assume that a finite finding and proof of this "dark matter" will solve major problems in standard cosmology, but completely regardless of a possible solid proof, this does not solve any problems at all. It seemingly solves the galactic rotation anomaly but it still raises the logical question:

How can an assumed universal law of celestial gravity counts for 2 very different kinds of orbital motions in our Solar System and in galaxies where objects supposedly orbits around a celestial gravity center? It obviously and logically cannot. With or without the help of dark this or that.

The cosmological implication of this inconsistent hypothesis is huge. It raises first the question of that either gravity only works on one of the places and completely rules out the other - with or without dark matter - or gravity doesn´t work at all any places.


If gravity doesn´t work at all, the gravitational ideas of attraction also is in full jeopardy. Then "gravity" only can be relieved by electromagnetic binding and repulsive forces which creates and dissolve everything in an eternal cycle of formation and reformation. (Good by Big Bang)

Subsequently, if gravity is totally ruled out, then the question of "feeling weight" must be a question of having lots of atoms and molecules stacked together in our bodies and of an outside pressure and not a question of attraction from the surroundings. Then we are talking primary of atmospheric pressure and secondly of an "orbital speed pressure" on the Earth and other celestial bodies.

Regarding unification of fundamental forces it´s of course much easier without the nonsensical gravitational confusions and the rest of the once-upon-a-time-splitting-up-of-forces can be unified again just by declaring that “it all depend on different amount of electromagnetic charges an of magnetic polarities”.

In order to support this unified theory, thermodynamics also should be included since all gases and matter reacts motionally differently to hot and cold influences.

Well. I almost got dizzy by this - but that´s my opinion.
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Re: The Fundamental Forces

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Re: The Fundamental Forces

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Re: The Fundamental Forces

Unread postby Native » Mon Jun 23, 2014 7:39 am

Life makes senses and who could doubt it, if you have no doubt about it. - "Grooks" by Piet Hein - My fellow Danish countryman and also a Natural Philosopher
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Re: The Fundamental Forces

Unread postby justcurious » Tue Jun 24, 2014 6:23 pm

Nice paper... native.

Regarding the fundamental forces, there have been various derivations of gravity from electromagnetism.
The form of the electrostatic force and that of gravity are very similar,strongly suggesting that they are closely related.
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