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Re: New (so to speak) crater in the Egyptian desert

Unread postby Shelgeyr » Fri Oct 15, 2010 4:15 pm

I should have added that if there ever WAS a major discharge event between the environs of Lake Tuz, Turkey and Lake Victoria in East Africa, it would not be beyond reason to expect there to be evidence of some sort of direct connection between the two.

And if the direct connection was (as postulated) an electrical one - and most likely taking place within a charged plasma - then one would be on firm ground in stipulating that since Birkeland Currents spin, the connection’s structure would have been helical in 3D.

Thus, were one to accept as given that the connection was helical and 3D in structure, and furthermore had the power to blast a channel path through the intervening terrain, then one would look for evidence of a sinusoidal ground path (that being a ground-plane cross-section of a 3D helical path) pointing directly from one terminus to the other.

And one would find the Nile River.
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Re: New (so to speak) crater in the Egyptian desert

Unread postby The Great Dog » Sun Oct 17, 2010 12:03 pm

An interesting premise from long before Velikovsky, suggesting that sand and gravel deposits are extraterrestrial in origin:

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SW Crater Field: major EU Opportunity

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Re: SW Crater Field: major EU Opportunity

Unread postby Lloyd » Fri Dec 31, 2010 3:45 pm

* This seems to be Dennis's website, which has a lot of images and a long article: .
* Here's one of the images on the site. The location is 32.404582, -103.402431 on Google Maps. Those parallel ridges must have formed at the same time the craters did. There are similar looking ridges in the Sahara Desert and the Greenland Icecap, but I haven't noticed craters there.
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* I found this image on the net from near Flagstaff, AZ.
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Re: SW Crater Field: major EU Opportunity

Unread postby DragonHunter » Sat Jan 01, 2011 12:58 am

Hi Lloyd

Guilty as charged, If you think that formation is interesting from that altitude, in Google Earth, zoom in close, and count the crater Chains. The formation extends to the north, northeast for many miles into the Oil fields. You can recognize the Oilfields by their road grids, and the numerous rectangular clearings in the grids of about an acre. On the ground, each of those rectangle clearings has an oil well pump on it. So it's like looking across a sea of giant grasshoppers.
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Re: SW Crater Field: major EU Opportunity

Unread postby Nitai » Sat Jan 01, 2011 8:43 am

Amazing.

Nice thread.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lonar_crater_lake

Down at the Local Legend section we find this..

"As per Skanda Purana, a demon named Lonasur who lived in a subterranean abode used to devastate the surrounding country and even challenge Gods. Lord Vishnu, on an appeal by the people of the region, assumed the form of a handsome youth named Daitya-sudan, charmed the giant's two sisters and discovered the giant's abode and then removed the lid of the den where he was hiding and destroyed the giant."

That doesn't sound like a meteor impact to me.. :?


Here is a view from above.. notice the whole area..

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Lonar+cra ... 8&t=h&z=11
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Re: SW Crater Field: major EU Opportunity

Unread postby DragonHunter » Sat Jan 01, 2011 9:05 am

But do we trust local legend, and myth? Or modern science? That's a well studied Pleistocene impact crater in India. And that 'local legend' doesn't have anything to do with the thousands of small craters in New Mexico, and west Texas.

And somehow I doubt that Lord Vishnu also visited the american southwest.
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Re: SW Crater Field: major EU Opportunity

Unread postby starbiter » Sat Jan 01, 2011 9:34 am

If the Younger Dryas events are the same events described in Worlds in Collision then i agree with Dennis. The dates don't matter. If the Younger Dryas events happened thousands of years earlier, then the events described in World in Collision would cover everything that came before.

The details supplied in WiC of a worldwide event caused by a giant comet [probably Venus] having an extended electric encounter with Earth are vivid. There would be consequences. Mountains grew thousands of feet in a duning process. Valleys were filled with the runoff from the mountains with miles of sediment. Blowing dust and sand would do this. Anything from thousands of years earlier would be covered, IMO.

The details of this process were worked out hundreds of years earlier than Clube and Napier, by Abraham Rockenbach, and then fine tuned by Dr. Velikovsky. Dr. V's work has been scrutinized by many and has held up well, IMO. The dates of the events will never be settled. The details of the events are described poetically in WiC. To not take the descriptions provided in WiC into account when looking at the surface of the Earth seems limiting.

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Re: SW Crater Field: major EU Opportunity

Unread postby Nitai » Sat Jan 01, 2011 9:45 am

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Re: SW Crater Field: major EU Opportunity

Unread postby DragonHunter » Sat Jan 01, 2011 10:53 am

I am only interested in participating in this discussion if we are going to stay on topic, and discuss current paradigm shifts, and advances in impact science. Specifically, the opportunity to advance EU theory by identifying, and studying, potential electric crater geomorphology in the American Southwest.

Regarding Lord Vishnu; I do not participate in religious discussions online. So if this is going to degenerate into an invalidation of modern scientific method, in favor of mythology, and a religious discussion on the merits of Vedic philosophy, and literature, I'm not interested. But it is non sequitur to connect Vedic Legends about a specific, well studied, Pleistocene impact structure in India. To completely different geomorphology half a world away, in the American southwest.

And for the record: While I am a passionate supporter of Electric Universe theory, I am not a believer in the WIC, or 'Saturnian' astronomical model. So I will also not participate in public discussions on Velikovsky, or Saturn theory.
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Re: SW Crater Field: major EU Opportunity

Unread postby Lloyd » Sat Jan 01, 2011 6:56 pm

* Folks get too hung up on words. We need to be somewhat flexible with words like "impact". Impacts don't necessarily mean physical impacts. They can also mean electrical impacts. Dennis was mentioning impacts that involve airbursts, meaning a body disintegrates in the air, in which an ion trail forms from the ionosphere to the ground, making an electrical connection to ground, meaning something like lightning and its effects. See TPODs on the Tunguska event, which describe that event in a similar way, where EU theorists propose that a large Taurid meteor stream meteor caused the airburst and "lightning" impact in Siberia.
* Dennis, what would you say is the bottom line for this thread? Would you like to see forum members go and collect evidence on site? Or would you prefer that we communicate with some of the researchers and make suggestions to them? We probably have quite a few members not far from there who could go to the area and collect evidence. If we persist at making such a request, we're likely to get a few volunteers before long. If you have relatives there, could you ask them to help out? What kind of evidence should people look for?
* Have you noticed how the rows of channels at the NM site resemble rows of material in the Sahara and Greenland? I think there may also be rows of material with craters somewhat similar to the NM site in south Africa.
* By the way, Dennis, do you think the craters in the 2nd image I posted above in the Flagstaff area are "impact" craters, or volcanic? They look like "impact" craters to me offhand.
* And for further research, folks, try this link: http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&expI ... 22&bih=372
* Also these sites:
Younger Dryas Nanodiamonds in AZ

Map of Nanodiamond Sites in the U.S.

Some history of the YD nanodiamond debate and interesting image of Carolina bays etc.
[I see you made a comment there, Dennis, but I haven't read it.]
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Re: SW Crater Field: major EU Opportunity

Unread postby DragonHunter » Sat Jan 01, 2011 9:06 pm

Hi Lloyd,

Even if I had unlimited funds, I could never hope to visit, and study them all. There are too many, and life's too short. It's my hope to get as many intelligent, curious, critically minded, EU thinking, people as possible to visit as many of them as possible. But leave uniformitarian/gradualist assumptive reasoning behind when they do. I'm not expecting anyone to go there with the intention of finding all the answers. I am hoping they will go there with the intention of finding good hard questions.

I am a proponent of curiosity-driven science. The whole 'Uniformitarian - Catastrophist' debate isn't so much a philosophical issue with me, as an objection to the tendency by many geologists to assume that all geomorphology must be the result of slow, and gradual processes we have witnessed in “recorded” history. And that large scale catastrophic, and sometimes exogenic, geomorphology does not happen at all. Or is at best, ‘highly unlikely’.

So it’s a thought process that I've been calling ‘Mutual inter-assumptive confabulation’ that gets used in lieu of real science, because an old paradigm has gone unquestioned for so long that it has taken the weight of empirical fact, that I have a problem with, not some philosophy called “Uniformitarianism”.

I have learned that, when investigating potential catastrophic mass movement, or geomorphology, anytime a question is answered with a sentence that begins with the words, “Most geologists agree that_______”, or words to that effect, instead of citing experimental work, or empirical data, it should always be followed up with simply, ‘Why?’

And you are right about the Cosmic Tusk. I've been a regular there for a long time now. George Howard is the owner of the 'Tusk". And he's one of the original authors of the 2007 paper by R. B. Firestone et al. That paper was the first to express the Younger Dryas impact hypothesis in refereed literature. And George maintains a very comprehension library of current papers, from scientists on both side of the debate, and from many different disciplines.

As for your other question, The Cinder Lake crater field, near Flagstaff, is an artificial, man-made structure. It was made in the 1960's by the Astrogeology branch of the USGS as a training ground for NASA's astronauts, in preparation for the moon missions. They used an assortment of different sized explosive charges to simulate the crater distribution we see in a similar sized area on the moon. And the timing of the explosions allowed them to get the overlapping ejecta curtains right. They look pretty darn good, don't they?

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Re: SW Crater Field: major EU Opportunity

Unread postby DragonHunter » Sun Jan 02, 2011 1:38 pm

Between Albuquerque, and Odessa Texas, there are literally too many of them to count. So that if someone in that region wants to help, a custom list of GPS's could be made that are all within easy day-trip driving distance. These things aren't on the 'confirmed' impact structure list. But the meteorite hunting community has been rumoring them up as happy hunting grounds for a while now.

And there is another kind of structure that's coming to light. Pierson Barreto lives in in Brazil. And he's been talking about some structures that he's been calling "Palaeolagoons" for a little over a year now. His blog is called Cosmopier ( http://sites.google.com/site/cosmopier ). English isn't his mother tongue. And his English grammar, and spelling, could use a good English speaking editor. But he's doing a great job. He's been able to identify those Palaeolagoons in large numbers all over the world. There are many of them in New Mexico. I've cataloged a few hundred of them myself.

The Earth's atmosphere, and lithosphere, combine for a set of target conditions like nowhere else in the solar system. The big kids are starting to figure out that impact scarring here is like nowhere else in the solar system as well. Impact science is paradigm shifting to the recognition that very large airbursts should be expected to be capable of producing significant geomorphology, and without conventional cratering. (Mark Boslough, 2010)

And with the recognition in peer reviewed literature that we should expect to see many different kinds of impact structures, and that a cluster impact event from the Earth encountering the debris of a fragmented comet from the Taurid complex is a far more likely catastrophic impact scenario than a single lone bolide from the asteroid belt, (Bill Napier, 2010) we're not just looking for plain ole round craters anymore. There is an opportunity looming to put electric cratering on any new list that immerges.

So far, the thinking is that the Palaeolagoons are most likely another form of air burst crater. At least, the morphology is a perfect match for some of Mark Boslough's simulations. But it seems to me that any high velocity airburst that's big enough to reach the ground, and do significant geo-ablative morphology like that, is also big enough, and hot enough, that we can probably expect that, for a few seconds, the atmosphere back along it's entry path might remain hot enough to be a superconducting plasma. And to provide a 'short-circuit' between the ionosphere and the surface.

Imagine along with me for a minute. As I understand it, EU theory predicts that no matter what the chemistry is, those fragments should each also be carrying one hell of a charge differential of their own, in addition to any kinetic, or chemical energy they might be packing.

My math tool stinks. How much electrical potential are we talking about there?

There are many more questions that are crying for an answer. Has anyone done any of the CRT experiments in front of a high speed camera? It's hard to work out the mass movements of the blast effected materials when it's over in a zap-twinkle. And, like magic, you are looking at a perfect little crater.

I want to dissect the process. I wish I could see an electric crater evolve slowly, in the infra-red, as well as the visible spectrum, and over a few hundred, or even a thousand, frames. We all agree that an electric arc makes the crater, complete with a cute little ejecta curtain, we see it happen. But exactly which forces are at work to produce the mass movements? Can we quantify them? Is the explosive excavation simply the work of a sudden increase in atmospheric pressure as material at the target is vaporized? What kind magnetic fields are involved. Does a pinch effect play a role? If so, what is it?
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Re: SW Crater Field: major EU Opportunity

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Re: SW Crater Field: major EU Opportunity

Unread postby Lloyd » Thu Jan 13, 2011 1:03 pm

* I made a spreadsheet to list major statements from TPODs about craters here:
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