Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Beyond the boundaries of established science an avalanche of exotic ideas compete for our attention. Experts tell us that these ideas should not be permitted to take up the time of working scientists, and for the most part they are surely correct. But what about the gems in the rubble pile? By what ground-rules might we bring extraordinary new possibilities to light?

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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby Lloyd » Fri Jul 19, 2019 8:32 pm

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Explosive volcanism as a key driver of the late Paleozoic ice age
https://pubs.geoscienceworld.org/gsa/geology/article/47/7/600/570317/explosive-volcanism-as-a-key-driver-of-the-late

Radiocarbon in Yet Another Dinosaur Fossil indicating young age
https://www.icr.org/article/11430/

9,000-Year-Old Neolithic Mega Site Discovered in the Middle East | Ancient Architects
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHYAnxLtSiw

Evidence for Younger Dryas Cataclysm at the Carolina Bay
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmndmJek0ik

Ancient Machining And Cataclysm Evidence In Jordan: Little Petra
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ai3dTTGvkc

Evidence Of Ancient Cataclysm At The Bent And Red Pyramids Of Egypt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGEv1FFeDM8

The Escapees of The Doggerland 'ATLANTIS?' Retain Water-Control Technology!?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqZC-KbuV1k

Climate Myths & Realities / Extinctions & Catastrophe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pw1Yus0XyXc

Nechako Ice Age Impact? / Cosmic Mission
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VX-4wY_inqQ
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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby Lloyd » Sat Jul 27, 2019 4:42 pm

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What gives meteorites their shape?
https://phys.org/news/2019-07-meteorites-uncovers-goldilocks.html

Glass 'pearls' point to meteorite strike near Florida 2 million years ago
https://www.sott.net/article/417261-Glass-pearls-point-to-meteorite-strike-near-Florida-2-million-years-ago

10,000-Year-Old Engraved Stone Found to be World’s Oldest Lunar Calendar
https://www.ancient-origins.net/news-history-archaeology/lunar-calendar-0012340

Asteroids Trojans Centaurs and Comets
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5713fengbM

9,000-Year-Old Neolithic Mega Site Discovered in the Middle East
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHYAnxLtSiw&t=69s

History Destroyed: The Lost Temple of The Great Sphinx of Egypt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7siUs1dYnE

Part 2! The Younger Dryas Cataclysm at the Carolina Bays
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7iZbAocrMU

Ancient Engineering: Talking Quarrying, Columns, the Bent Pyramid
https://youtu.be/cMF81GcDOjg

Discourses on an Alien Sky #43 | The Labyrinth -- Window to the Ancient Archetypes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C55g0r0QAxM

Unexplained Impossible Ancient OOPArts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xnb4lh7nZQM

Nechako Ice Age Impact?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VX-4wY_inqQ

Vulnerable Planet / Global Firestorms? / Tarot Symbols
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukM6wlr-c_k

Catastrophic Energies Compared / Global Effects
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvP3Z7-ped0
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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby Lloyd » Sat Aug 03, 2019 12:42 pm

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Using artificial intelligence to fill in gaps in ancient texts
https://techxplore.com/news/2019-07-artificial-intelligence-gaps-ancient-texts.html

Modern humans interbred with at least 5 other archaic groups across Eurasia
https://www.sott.net/article/417536-Modern-humans-interbred-with-at-least-5-other-archaic-groups-across-Eurasia

RNA recovered and sequenced from 14,000-year-old mummified wolf
https://newatlas.com/pleistocene-wolf-rna-sequenced/60831/

Divers Uncover Ancient Temple Submerged Within The ‘Egyptian Atlantis’
https://www.sciencealert.com/diving-archaeologists-uncover-an-ancient-temple-in-the-egyptian-atlantis

Atlantis Revisited: Evidence for Rockall Bank Being Plato's Lost Island | Ancient Architects
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNbO0TUkCrk

Was the Sphinx carved 100,000 years ago by NEANDERTHALS as their GOD 'BES'?!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbDwL_4PM88

Biggest Discovery of Ancient Egypt - They Found The Hall of Records
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wg_aV4upAMs

The Tryst Falls Wheel-like Tracks in Bedrock ... so What is the Oregon Trail all About Actually?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKhiVEXY42g
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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby Lloyd » Sat Aug 10, 2019 7:34 pm

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6 underwater volcanoes found hiding in plain sight in Italy
https://www.sott.net/article/418079-6-underwater-volcanoes-found-hiding-in-plain-sight-in-Italy

Discussion thread on the new IPCC Report on Climate Change and Land
https://judithcurry.com/2019/08/10/climate-change-and-land-discussion-thread/#more-25058

IPCC Declares a Global Warming Land Use Emergency, But Admits the World is Greening
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/08/09/ipcc-declares-a-global-warming-land-use-emergency-but-admits-the-world-is-greening/

Ten Causes of Warming: The Layperson’s Checklist
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/08/08/ten-causes-of-warming-the-laypersons-checklist/

‘Spin’ found in over half of clinical trial abstracts published in top psychiatry journals
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/08/06/spin-found-in-over-half-of-clinical-trial-abstracts-published-in-top-psychiatry-journals/

Recursive language and modern imagination appeared simultaneously 70,000 years ago
https://www.sott.net/article/418076-Recursive-language-and-modern-imagination-appeared-simultaneously-70000-years-ago

Younger Dryas - Evolution of a hypothesis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrFj5UT0htE

What Caused the Younger Dryas Event? The End of a Lost Ancient Civilisation | Ancient Architects
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqHI6kdErTQ

The Largest Pyramid in the World: The Great Pyramid of Cholula | Ancient Architects
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxnIAkVpz4M

The Story of the Enigmatic and Mysterious Tube Drills of Ancient Egypt - UnchartedX full documentary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFuf-gBuuno

Asteroid Impact – How Big a Threat to Earth?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-czwdU9uzqg

Ancient Man - Electric Skies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--u6I-5v3D0

Saturnian Reconstruction and Electric Universe Catastrophism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eZ6SX3Kh3k

Bonneville Ice Age Flood Evidence / Snake River Back-flood -Cosmography101-32.2 w/ Randall Carlson '08
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_7C3ztcCxA

Sphinx Quarry Erosion from Floods? / Durable Civilization? -Cosmography101-32.3 Randall Carlson '08
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwVcNIykoVs
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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby Lloyd » Sat Aug 17, 2019 8:20 pm

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Jupiter's puzzling core suggests it was smacked head-on by massive newborn planet [recently IMO]
https://www.sott.net/article/418741-Jupiters-puzzling-core-suggests-it-was-smacked-head-on-by-massive-newborn-planet

The moon rock that turned out to be from Earth
https://phys.org/news/2019-08-moon-earth.html

Moon Rock Mineralogy: Yes, the Apollo missions were real, QEDirt
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/08/15/moon-rock-mineralogy-qedirt/

The latest travesty in ‘consensus enforcement’ in climate science
https://judithcurry.com/2019/08/14/the-latest-travesty-in-consensus-enforcement/#more-25088

IN THE TANK – CLIMATE “CONTRARIANS” BLACKLISTED?
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/08/17/in-the-tank-climate-contrarians-blacklisted/

Surprise! The Great Barrier Reef is Not Dying from Global Warming
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/08/16/surprise-great-barrier-reef-is-not-dying-from-global-warming/

The planets are young: 1: Mercury and Venus
https://creation.com/planets-mercury-and-venus

During the last ice age, humans in Africa lived in the mountains
https://www.earth.com/news/last-ice-age-humans-mountains/

Scientifically Dating the Pyramid of Menkaure and the Osirion | Ancient Architects
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVARFBrBkZk

Scientifically Dating the Sphinx, Sphinx Temple and Valley Temple | Ancient Architects
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSyBSpWp0WI

Saturnian Reconstruction and Electric Universe Catastrophism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eZ6SX3Kh3k

Ancient Tube Drills, Part 2! More context, more Petrie, more cores, even some examples from Peru!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YX-SQNr2GI

Stonehenge has TEETH, It's a SNAKE TEMPLE?! Cursus, plus Carnac France also SNAKE TEMPLE!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDAsX_P-lvM

Is San Agustin Megalithic Site, a Hindu Temple? Ancient Aliens in Colombia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkNj2isGqW4
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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby Lloyd » Sat Aug 24, 2019 3:32 pm

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Humans migrated to Mongolia much earlier than previously believed
https://phys.org/news/2019-08-humans-migrated-mongolia-earlier-previously.html

Did Denisovans usher in the Stone Age in Mongolia?
https://siberiantimes.com/science/casestudy/news/did-denisovans-usher-in-the-stone-age-in-mongolia/

America’s Largest Asteroid Impact Left a Trail of Destruction Across the Eastern United States
https://www.space.com/chesapeake-bay-meteor-impact-crater.html

Rise of dinosaurs linked to increasing oxygen levels
https://www.heritagedaily.com/2019/08/rise-of-dinosaurs-linked-to-increasing-oxygen-levels/124435

Heavy organic compounds containing hundreds of atoms…” were detected at Saturn’s moon Enceladus
https://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/2019/08/14/electric-molecules-2/

Arabia Bay in North Carolina [Younger Dryas Impact]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IjnWHqa_0U

The Enigmatic Koh Ker Pyramid of Cambodia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOqjh1uuIGU

How They Moved the 60-Ton Granite Blocks into the Great Pyramid | Ancient Architects
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8a3zu7JTsw

5,000-Year-Old Human Remains Found at the Ness of Brodgar | Ancient Architects
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBtZ3MUhEiI

Ancient Megalithic Cusco
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGpGXqaDB6g

Historical References to Meteoric Phenomena / Anomalic Serpent Mound -Cosmography101-13.3 R Carlson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_q0_MBrHJ0

Apocalyptic Visions, Symbols and Art: Dragons & More -Cosmography101-14.2 w/ Randall Carlson '08
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rntCW8XgIE0

Chronology Broken History, Timelines and Dating Methodologies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7X0rtpDJRc
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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby Lloyd » Sun Sep 01, 2019 11:15 am

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Kola borehole: World's deepest
https://www.sott.net/article/419337-Kola-borehole-Worlds-deepest-artificial-hole-dug-by-the-Soviets-in-the-1970-s

Positron Lightning
https://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/2019/08/28/positron-lightning-2/

Dr. Bill Napier fingers fragmented comet in Younger Dryas and Bronze Age impacts
https://cosmictusk.com/11515-2/

Ancient die-off greater than the dinosaur extinction detected in rocks in Canada
https://www.sott.net/article/419428-Ancient-die-off-greater-than-the-dinosaur-extinction-detected-in-rocks-in-Canada

Skull of 3.8 million-year-old Australopithecus discovered in Ethiopia challenges understanding of evolutionary process
https://www.sott.net/article/419434-Skull-of-3-8-million-year-old-Australopithecus-discovered-in-Ethiopia-challenges-understanding-of-evolutionary-process

The Next Great Extinction Event Will Not Be Global Warming – It Will Be Global Cooling
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/09/01/the-next-great-extinction-event-will-not-be-global-warming-it-will-be-global-cooling/

The planets are young: 3 Jupiter
https://creation.com/planets-jupiter

The Tar Tells Toothy Tales of Extinction: The La Brea tar pits in Los Angeles
https://www.icr.org/article/11497/

Texas’ Palo Duro Canyon: three mysteries that Noah’s recent Flood explains more readily than long ages
https://www.icr.org/article/11489/

Ancient Skeletons with Alien-Like Heads Unearthed in Croatia
https://www.livescience.com/ancient-skulls-croatia-artificially-deformed.html

Mounting Evidence Suggests People First Came to North America by Boat
https://www.insidescience.org/news/mounting-evidence-suggests-people-first-came-north-america-boat

15,000-year-old Idaho Archaeology Site Now Among America’s oldest
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-02589-2

The Megalithic Mystery of Sacsayhuaman - Part 1: Symbology, Location, History [Older than Incas?]
https://youtu.be/WdKLNEUmRlM

Ancient Pre-Inca Megalithic Site Of Little Qenqo Near Cusco Peru
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6FAFrQxwJA

Older Than The Inca: Ancient Megalithic Aspects Of Ollantaytambo In Peru
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rJl1MMM4s4

Ev Cochrane: Mars the Warrior-Hero
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7m1apTeDX4

Ev Cochrane: Mars Catastrophes in Myth and Language
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMGxiPQdo_k

Meet people who you can talk to directly? Try out our Discord Channel [Electric Universe]
https://discord.gg/Zh5hppC

James Conway - Chronological Conundrums
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sF7JpfV0cCQ&t=141s

How the SHAMIR OF SOLOMON cut rock, with the ARK OF THE COVENANT?! (Shamir Part 3!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cSCzkWnRRE

Buried Under the Sahara…Hidden Lost Ancient Civilizations
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0_Of0WGkEs
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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby Lloyd » Mon Sep 02, 2019 5:45 pm

The Major Cataclysms Occurred Less Than 5,000 Years Ago

An article by C. Ginenthal about Ancient Maps shows that Antarctica was apparently largely ice-free 6,000 years ago, based on drill cores at the Ross ice shelf and probably other measurements. If it's true that it was ice-free at that time, I think this means the Shock Dynamics impact and rapid continental drift occurred shortly before that, like within years, because the Arctic lands and Antarctica moved toward the frigid poles due to the impact, and the ice sheets built up soon after. An ancient map also shows Greenland without its ice sheet.

The article is at: http://www.catastrophism.com/intro/sear ... t%5B%5D=-1

_Here's the quoted portion:
"Not only do these cartographers say the map is accurate, but they point out that, during the 1957 to 1958 Geophysical Year, other teams of seismic scientists, like that of Paul Emile Victor, went into Antarctica and made soundings of the topography under the ice, and that these soundings confirmed the accuracy of the Oronteus Fineus map. Therefore, we have the Piri Re'is map of Antarctica confirmed as accurate by the U.S. Navy Hydrographic Office and the Norwegian-British-Swedish Expedition of 1949, and the Oronteus Fineus map of Antarctica confirmed as accurate by Strategic Air Command's map office and the International Geophysical Year teams of 1957 to 1958. These findings are further corroborated by other evidence. According to Hapgood: During the Byrd Expedition of 1947-1948, Dr. Jack Hough, then of the University of Illinois, took three cores from the bottom of the ocean off the Ross Sea, and these were dated by the ionium method of radioactive dating, of the Carnegie Institution in Washington, by Dr. W. D. Urry, ... one of those to develop this method. The cores showed alternations of types of sediments.... There was a coarse glacial sediment, as was to be expected, and fine sediments of semiglacial type, but there were also layers of finer sediments typical of temperate climates. [These were the sort ...] carried down by rivers from ice-free continents. Here was the first surprise, then. Temperate conditions had evidently prevailed in Antarctica in the not distant past. The sediment[s indicated that, no fewer than three times during the Pleistocene Epoch, a temperate climate had prevailed in the Ross Sea. Then, when this material was dated by Urry, it was revealed that the most recent temperate period had been very recent indeed. In fact, it ended only about 6,000 years ago. Hough wrote: "The log of core N-5 shows glacial marine sediment from the present to 6,000 years ago. From 6,000 to 15,000 years ago, the sediment is fine-grained, with the exception of one granule at about 12,000 years ago. This suggests an absence of ice from the area during that period, except for a stray iceberg 12,000 years ago." (19) This evidence is further corroborated by Reginald Daly, who informs us that "[carbon-14] dating has shown that Antarctica's ice is less than 6,000 years old. (Emphasis added.) [Arthur Holmes writes: `Algal remains dated at 6,000 BP [Before Present] have been found on the latest terminal moraines.'" (20) Thus, in addition to the accuracy of the Piri Re'is map and the Oronteus Fineus map of Antarctica, we have measurements from cores in the Ross Sea and from the last glacial deposits containing a temperate species of algae that also show that Antarctica was not covered by ice 6,000 years ago. The evidence indicates that the Piri Re'is and Oronteus Fineus maps of Antarctica, published in the 16th century, are accurate and authentic representations of the continent as has been confirmed by scientists in the fields of seismic soundings and cartography. This shows that Antarctica was largely ice-free 6,000 years ago and is corroborated by evidence of cores from the Ross Sea and by the dating of algae in terminal moraines. The only way that such accurate maps could have been made prior to the 16th century is if Antarctica was not buried under thousands of feet of ice, when its climate had to be tremendously different."
_End of quote.
(Note: I assume that the object found at "12,000" years ago was not from an iceberg and the sediment dated older than 6,000BP was not older than that. See below.)

Mike Fischer of http://NewGeology.us proposed that the Shock Dynamics impact event (in which an asteroid from 33 to 78 miles in diameter struck the former supercontinent, Pangaea, north of Madagascar, and caused the continents to split off rapidly to their present locations) occurred shortly before the time of the Younger Dryas impact maybe 11,000 years ago, though he said privately that it could have occurred as recently as 4200 years ago. So if Antarctica was ice-free less than 6,000 years ago, the Shock Dynamics event must have occurred shortly before that. And the Younger Dryas impact must have occurred about the same time, i.e. less than 6,000 years ago.

I've since read Melvyn Cook's article, Earth Tectonics Viewed from Rock Mechanics at:
http://www.catastrophism.com/intro/sear ... t%5B%5D=-1
_Here's the relevant part.
"Dating the Rupture of Pangaea, Continental Drift, and the EGRR [Earth-girdling rift and ridges]
Farrand and Gajda determined, by the equilibrium radiocarbon method [10] that the beginning of the 'uplifts' in Canada occurred 7,500 to 10,500 years ago (8700 +/- 765 years before present: this date is the average value read from the 'isobases' surrounding Hudson Bay, the maxima for these uplifts). To obtain this result they used the equilibrium radiocarbon values of Libby [33] who at first found a value of 0.78 for C14/C.o14 [C14 is the biospheric radiocarbon concentration and C.o14 is the expected value based on the known intensity of galactic cosmic rays. Libby interpreted the difference simply as lost radiocarbon. In 1963, Lingenfelter [34] of the Libby school reduced this value to 0.73 and in 1964 he and Flamm [35] found a still lower value of 0.675. If Farrand and Gajda had used the 1964 result, the maximum equilibrium radiocarbon date for the uplifts in northeastern Canada would have been 7550 +/- 655 years BP. However, this date would have been only 4740 years BP if they had used the 1964 result and interpreted it, not by the equilibrium radiocarbon method, but by the non-equilibrium radiocarbon dating model [36], dictated by the actual observations of 1964 without assuming C14 loss from the atmosphere and oceans. Heiskanen and Vening-Meinesz studied the uplifts in Fennoscandia [11] by the observed gravity anomaly, which they found obeys the same exponential decay law as radioactivity. They found for the uplifts in the Bay of Bothnia ... [that] The beginning of the uplifts was ... about 4300 years before the date of their investigation, or about 4345 BP."
_End of quote.
Note: the uplifts began when the ice caps were removed.

The reason I said above that the sediments below the less than 6,000 year old sediments were not older than that is because the sediments must have mostly all been deposited at about the same time, as I explained in this thread 2 years ago at http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=16025&start=720#p119437 in a post I titled: Sedimentary Rock Strata Prove Catastrophism.

There I said: "Re: Sedimentary Rock Strata: What brief explanation is there for the fact that sedimentary rock strata covering large continental areas are generally sorted into different rock types, i.e. esp. sandstones, claystones, and limestones? I.e., assuming that millions to billions of years of erosion and deposition occurred, how was it possible for only one rock type to be deposited over large areas for thousands of years, followed by thousands of years of another rock type, etc? The only plausible means I know of for separation of strata into such individual rock types is by major flooding over short time spans, as demonstrated by Guy Berthault. The geologic column is said to consist of 6 megasequences worldwide, each containing many conforming sedimentary strata, and each megasequence occurring over an unconformity. The best explanation seems to be that each megasequence was deposited during major flooding over a short time span of days or weeks. Since the unconformities between the megasequences seem to show mainly only sheet eroision, there must have been only short time spans of days, weeks or months between each megasequence deposit."

Early in this thread I showed evidence that major cataclysms occurred about 4240 years ago, including a Great Flood. The Shock Dynamics event seems to have been the cause of the flood and of rapid continental drift and of mountain building and most fossil formation and extinctions and it now appears that the best evidence is that it occurred less than 5,000 years ago and the Younger Dryas event occurred after that. Only one large asteroid caused the Shock Dynamics Pangaea splitting event etc, but that asteroid was accompanied by numerous other objects, many of which also struck the Earth and the Moon at that time, maybe over a period of centuries. And the Ancient Maps article by Ginenthal above suggests that civilization was highly advanced before the event and for some time after.

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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby moses » Mon Sep 02, 2019 6:55 pm

I am pretty sure now that all those 10,000 BC, or so, datings are in error and should be around 4,000 BC. This is because of Noah's flood event which introduced a large amount of carbon to Earth and changed from a 360 day year to the 365.24 year commemorated in the Great Pyramid.

Thus Gobekli Tepe would then be just before the Sumerian civilisation and things make a lot more sense.
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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby Lloyd » Tue Sep 03, 2019 3:58 pm

Thanks, Mo. Yes, Gobekli Tepi makes more sense at just over 4,000 years ago because of familiar astrological symbols used there, I think, which may refer to a date. As for the Flood event adding C14 to the Earth, can you provide any authoritative references for that? Maybe I'll have time to look for info on that before long myself.

By the way, I think the mythological evidence etc for the Saturn Theory is also something that needs to be incorporated into the ancient global cataclysm model. Maybe it will help us identify the source of the meteor stream/s etc that caused the cataclysms. Maybe the unusual minerals mentioned in one article came from the meteor stream or one of the planets of the polar configuration. I'll check out the relevant article I just read lately real quick.

Maybe this article: "Scientific Evidence for A Major World Catastrophe About 11,500 Years Ago: A Preliminary Selection D S Allan" at:
http://www.catastrophism.com/intro/sear ... t%5B%5D=-1

And this article: "The Flood" at:
http://www.catastrophism.com/intro/sear ... t%5B%5D=-1
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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby Lloyd » Tue Sep 03, 2019 5:20 pm

The first article I listed in the previous post is the one with the info about minerals. Following is a quote.

"The Metal Factor
Especially noteworthy are the numerous instances of 'drift'-age animals and plants found agglutinated by, embedded within, or unexpectedly associated with, certain ores. Examples include a nearly complete rhinoceros skeleton entombed in a vein of lead in Derbyshire [35], thousands of agglutinated bones in a cave at Gailenreuth, Germany [36], many more cemented together in red iron-oxide stained breccia at Kesslerloch, Switzerland [37], those within nearly pure iron-ore infilling rock-fissures descending to 720 ft [220m below ground level in Carniola, Austria [38] and ore-agglutinated masses of bones occupying cave after cave in Australia's Wellington Valley [39]. Many cave breccias are strongly ferruginised. That of Tea Tree Cave in Queensland is an outstanding example [40]. Animals remains from 'drift'-age sands and gravel also often exhibit external metalliferous staining. Typical examples were the mammoth and other mammal bones found at Turnham Green and Acton, Middlesex, last century 'loaded with manganous oxide' [41]. Molluscs possessing a pronounced ferruginous patina occurred in blue-grey iron-sand overlying the celebrated frozen rhinoceros carcass of Vilyui in Siberia [42]. Even a small soapstone idol exhumed from 'glacial' deposits over 280 feet (86m.) below ground level at Nampa, Idaho, late last century was found invested with reddish iron oxide [43]. At many localities the stones and sand grains constituting much of the 'drift' itself have been similarly ferruginised."

Numerous examples of metal or mineral staining or contents in the "drift" is mentioned in addition to the above. The paragraph after that says "loess" also contains such things and appears to have originated at the same time as the drift etc. Drift is defined as: "In geology, drift is the name for all material of glacial origin found anywhere on land or at sea, including sediment and large rocks (glacial erratic). Glacial origin refers to erosion, transportation and deposition by glaciers." Loess is defined as: "Loess, an unstratified, geologically recent deposit of silty or loamy material that is usually buff or yellowish brown in colour and is chiefly deposited by the wind. Loess is a sedimentary deposit composed largely of silt-size grains that are loosely cemented by calcium carbonate."

Charles Ginenthal had another article about so-called glacial deposits actually being flood deposits, often over a fractured ice sheet, if I understood him correctly.

So I hope to come to understand better how the staining etc came about in the drift and loess etc.
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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby moses » Tue Sep 03, 2019 8:27 pm

Hi Lloyd,
Ev Cochrane's video that you reference above has Mars moving between Venus and Earth. To me that simply means that Venus was near where it is now and Earth was near where it is now and Mars was having a bit of a wander. Everything is very simple then.

So if we have Gobekli Tepe just before this ( hundreds of years ) then just before Gobekli Tepe was the ice ages. So if the ice ages occurred quickly ( again hundreds of years ) then we are looking for previous civilizations before the ice ages.

If CO2 was transported to Earth from Venus then the oceans and the trees would gobble this up pretty quickly. Perhaps we should find higher levels of CO2 in the ice cores, but otherwise the evidence would be just different carbon isotope ratios in the carbonates and wood mainly.

Interplanetary thunderbolts and meteorites have very similar effects on Earth. Of course one would expect a lot of rocks (meteors) associated with such a thunderbolt so it becomes easy to say meteorites and no thunderbolts. Then the whole Velikovsky thing can be avoided.

Unfortunately this means I am saying that there was no Saturn System, just the magnosphere of Venus filled with dust. But I do agree with everything in that Ev Cochrane video.

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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby Lloyd » Wed Sep 04, 2019 4:19 pm

Thanks, Mo. I wanted to write a book on this topic when I started this thread, but I haven't had enough time so far, but I have fun learning a lot from much of what I read, including the weekly news I post here.
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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby Electrodynamic » Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:03 pm

The problem I see is that modern man has no real conception of time as change. That is we have seen very little change with respect to global change other than climate change in our lifetime. However in the rest of the universe violent change is the norm. Massive asteroids 100 km across hit planets at 60,000 mph with the energy of thousands of atomic bombs and this is normal.

You know people say this would be horrific and beyond belief however this is in fact the universe we live in. To be honest I think a major event would be a blessing to mankind for several reasons. First, all the absurd problems we think we have regarding religion, the politics of whether were a republican or democrat, antiabortion or no and wealth pale in comparison. The fact is "we" are on a planet hurtling through space towards the constellation Orion at some 270 million miles per hour and there is a lot of things out there designed to destroy us on our journey.

No wonder most reject science and reality... why wouldn't we?. As a matter of psychology and retaining our sanity I would submit that most people must reject reality as a matter of survival.

You see this is the problem with science and a global cataclysm is normal, cataclysm is normal not millions of years of normalcy where nothing ever happens. Psychologically what science is saying is that basically were hooped so why would anyone think anyone wants to hear it?. Hence... religion, because scientific fact and reality sucks.

I would submit this... rather than an endless diatribe of all the ways in which we know were totally screwed and we probably are which serves no real purpose psychologically why not a message of hope?. Why oh look the magnosphere of Venus filled with dust, why oh look animals remains from 'drift'-age sands and gravel also often exhibit external metalliferous staining?. Rome is burning and you have nothing better to talk about than drifting sand?... really?.

I would submit that as Engineers and Scientists our goal should not be to glorify nor deify the supposed hopelessness of our situation but offer solutions. An endless diatribe of oh look at how much stuff I have memorized and studied but not a morsel of this is how it relates to moving forward and progress. How exactly are we to move forward if all of you are stuck in the past?. What of our future... what of that?. Who gives a damn about "rhinoceros skeleton entombed in a vein of lead in Derbyshire" when climate change could decide our fate within the next 20 years... are you that detached from reality?.

The next global cataclysm is already here in my opinion. It is the near complete detachment from reality and a gross misplacement of priorities as it happens in my opinion. It's like debating rhinoceros entombed in Derbyshire as your wife and kids just ran out of your house engulfed in flames... are you people mental?.

So you suppose to have intelligence and intellect then I submit that you should use to further our goal towards survival otherwise it is wasted... as we will not survive.
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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby GaryN » Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:36 pm

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