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Star Birth

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Star Birth

Unread postby D_Archer » Thu Jan 24, 2019 7:28 am

Hi,

I wanted to gel with the thunderbolts forum peeps to check what the general current view is on star birth.

Wal has been pointing things out in recent space news episodes and there are confusing (different) ideas on what exactly happens during star birth.

I propose that in a z-pinch, or star forming filament, only 1 star is born (per pinch). But when astronomers observe (as Wal also pointed out) a birth they see usually 2 stars, an archetypical example is R Aquarii*, where mainstream proposes a red giant and white dwarf, the white dwarf feeding on the red giant. I have no idea why/how they arrive at such a concept, that view looks nothing like the actual observation.

in EU the pinch is 2 umbrella's (as Don Scott said), the classic hour glass shape, all star births have this shape (every planetay nebula so far observed is probably a star birth), the larger structure is the star forming filament, the pinch is embedded in this larger filament. With EU we see 2 plasmoids swirling around each other, the magnetic pinch (imho) should produce 1 star when the pinch subsides, but Wal says that 2 stars could form, or 1 star and 1 planet, i think Wal also said , 1 star (or more) in parts of the filament and along the filament also planets if not enough material for a star. Any other ideas?

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And also maybe we need better and more descriptions of the z-pinch process, from start to finisch, there are certain energetic phases and quiet phases.. EU should build a model of a complete z-pinch event, and how can we test this in the laboratory, i think an experiment setup that produces a pinch in an dusty/gassy chamber should be possible. Put some high speed camera's to witness the pinch and we can have the complete picture in seconds...

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Re: Star Birth

Unread postby Zyxzevn » Thu Jan 24, 2019 5:43 pm

First we need a good electric model:
I think that a lot of the Magnetic fields that are mentioned in mainstream science journals
is actually electric fields. That is because mainstream does not consider electric fields at all.

And with electric fields, we have a much easier physical model.

1. Charge
We already start with a separated charges.
Charges can cause attraction inside dusts and gas.
This way we get clusters of matter.

2. Current
And if separate charges discharge, we get an electric current.
The electric current creates magnetic fields.
Both create more attraction.
Magnetic fields attracts paramagnetic matter (like oxygen) and ferromagnetic matter (iron).
The currents cause matter to flow in a small channel through space.

The currents also cause ionisation and double layers.
The currents follow ions and conductive matter that is already there.
This increases the concentration of matter even more.

3. Chemical reactions
The concentration of matter causes all kinds of chemical reactions.
Iron oxidizes. Oxygen with hydrogen forms water.
Crystals will be forming.
While this stops the currents through the matter, the currents will
likely go just around the matter.
This again increases the concentration.

4. Changing currents
The rise and fall of this current can cause additional currents, due to
rot(E)= -c*dB/dt
This can sometimes happen in oscillating systems.

5. Van-der-waals attraction.
Water and other matter can attract each other via
their dielectric properties.
With water or carbon-dioxide we get clouds and ice.

6. Gravity
When there is enough matter, the gravity will start to become more important.
This causes more matter to concentrate together.
Due to the electromagnetism, this will form disks and rings.

7. Nuclear reactions
When enough matter is concentrated, and probably with the help of electric currents,
nuclear reactions will start.
I think this will cause new charge-separation (like an EMP-bomb)
and this cycle can start again.
Now we have a star.

8 Now the Z-pinch.
When a current initiates a nuclear reaction, we get charge separation.
The star/gas-blob starts to eject charged matter.
This creates its own current.
Due to the already present magnetic field, this is into 2 directions.
That is because the currents try to avoid any magnetic field.
So it stays close together with the currents that are already present.
Currents cause more magnetic fields and new nuclear reactions.

9. Collapse into star
This goes on until the magnetic fields are unstable and the structure
can no longer eject charged particles into only one direction.
Now the star starts to eject charged particles into all directions.

10. Laboratory experiment
Start nuclear reaction using a current.
Test how the nuclear energy is converted into electric energy.

11. Make your own fusion reactor.

12. Get visited by aliens due to radiation complaints
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Re: Star Birth

Unread postby Sithri » Sun Jan 27, 2019 8:48 am

So, is it true that double layers form birkeland filaments? I'm asking this question because it is a prediction of the Egyptian Book of the Dead in my own translation of it.
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Re: Star Birth

Unread postby Brigit Bara » Mon Jan 28, 2019 1:38 pm

“Oh for shame, how these mortals put the blame upon us gods, for they say evils come from us, when it is they rather who by their own recklessness win sorrow beyond what is given…”
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