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Re: Thornhill's gravity model

Unread postby Webbman » Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:51 am

the only real problem i have with Mr. Thornhill's gravity model is that he doesn't account for the general orientation which is and has to be the general direction of the energy input.

that is, dipoles face away from the flow of incoming energy by default and hence gravity. There is no where on the earth you can shield anything from this flow since the earth itself is a net energy absorber by nature of its mass.

They don't point down, just away from the flow which happens to be toward the earth.

modelling the flow to the earth, which can be disrupted slightly as the moon flows through it and you easily see that it is only the energy input that matters. No mystical force.
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Re: Thornhill's gravity model

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Re: Thornhill's gravity model

Unread postby tholden » Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:44 am

The basic theory of what gravity actually is which Wal thornhill and I advocate is that of Ralph Sansbury. The theory amounts to a claim that sub-atomic particles, particularly electrons, have sub-particles of their own (subtrons) and that common forces can stretch electrons from their normal spherical shape which don't represent electrostatic dipoles into ellipsoids which do represent dipoles. Thus a voltage drop across a wire will change all of the electrons in that wire into polarized dipoles and create an electrostatic field transverse to the wire and when the current is reversed, the field reverses.

Sansbury claimed that ordinary spinning motions would also turn electrons into radially aligned/polarized dipoles and that we call the cumulative effect gravity. Gravity is thus seen as a sort of a first cousin to gyroscopic force and to the forces which create sinkers and sliders in baseball.

Since the effect is electrostatic in nature, it answers the mail in allowing us to believe that gravity would have been attenuated in the recent past by the static charge of the ancient system, thus allowing animals much larger than could exist on our planet today.

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Re: Thornhill's gravity model

Unread postby webolife » Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:31 pm

Gyroscopic forces demonstrate [perhaps magnify?] a basic concept about gravitation and all the other centropic forces, which is simply this:
All objects not only have mass, but are spinning, rotating, and/or revolving and are therefore are creating/coexisting with "position fixing" gyroscopic forces.

"Position fixing" may be the fundamental operater of magnetism. Together with the universal observation of centropic pressure we interpret as gravitation, EM force, the nuclear forces, and I include light -- we have the potential of a mechanically robust unification of all physics. In this unification, there is no dichotomy between "mass based" and "dipole based" gravitation. The electrical and gravitational [and light] fields are manifestations of the same universal centropic pressure, operating in the context of Galilean, not Newtonian, inertia. Why not Newton's "first"? Because, while it is elegant as an ideal statement, there is nowhere in the universe where we can observe motion in a straight line. Every [massive/charged] object's motion is moderated by a pressure toward's it's system centroid; whether electronic/atomic/molecular, torsion balance, terrestrial/planetary, solar/stellar, galactic, or super cluster, all things "gravitate" toward their local core, or "ground". Sansbury's subtron-based dipoles are his attempt to model the simple concept of periodic position fixing at the electron level. energetic forces that stretch or elongate electron's or more macroscopic bodies are always [by thermodynamics' "second"] overwhelmed by this universal tendency to rebound to the "lower energy state". Entropy is Centropy. "Position fixing" also characterizes periodicity, or what we try to conceptualize as "time".
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Re: Thornhill's gravity model

Unread postby Solar » Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:54 am

"Our laws of force tend to be applied in the Newtonian sense in that for every action there is an equal reaction, and yet, in the real world, where many-body gravitational effects or electrodynamic actions prevail, we do not have every action paired with an equal reaction." — Harold Aspden
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Re: Thornhill's gravity model

Unread postby Siggy_G » Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:47 am

An important aspect of the planetary dipole environment is that it is spherical, also called a divergent field, with an inverse square fall off (per planetary radii). Absolute and induced dipoles will always be pulled from a weak to a strong region of this global field, which is towards the planetary surface/centre. There are both electric and magnetic components to this, and sub atomic particles are free to move and allign accordingly, like tiny gyroscopes in response to external forces. Due to electrodynamic mechanisms this effect is additive regardless of initial polarization direction of test objects.

The presumably shielding objects in some thought experiments will merely take part in this. It is not unlikely though, that certain material types of presumably shielding objects will create small offsets or fluctations in measured weight of internal free-to-move objects. However, weights and voltmeters will become polarized in the same manner as what it's supposed to measure, so this may be hard detect.

Regarding horisontal attraction, especially between different sized objects, it can be argued that the dipoles of the upper hemisphere of object A «sees» some of the opposite dipoles of the upper hemisphere of object B, and the same for the lower hemispheres. This will add a horisontal component and affect the net force vector of electrogravity attraction. I'll try to make a visualization of this later on.
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Re: Thornhill's gravity model

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