Biogenic earthquake hypothesis

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Biogenic earthquake hypothesis

Unread postby paladin17 » Fri Sep 20, 2019 1:57 am

New insight: microorganisms should exist at greater depths than previously estimated - up to 75 km below the surface (or even deeper) instead of 10 km, as was considered.
Mad idea: these organisms might cause earthquakes.
Relation to the EU: perhaps the triggering/release mechanism is telluric currents, as electroautotrophism seems to be a good candidate for energy production in ultra-deep subsurface.

Many-many more details in my paper:
https://eartharxiv.org/bae7t/
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Re: Biogenic earthquake hypothesis

Unread postby paladin17 » Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:23 am

A bit of publicity for my paper (the discussion starts from about 17:40).
https://youtu.be/D_1hB-PO0uw
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Re: Biogenic earthquake hypothesis

Unread postby paladin17 » Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:03 am

Today's See the Pattern video, describing the paper: https://youtu.be/9B983Efjm5Q
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Re: Biogenic earthquake hypothesis

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Re: Biogenic earthquake hypothesis

Unread postby MotionTheory » Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:06 am

I'm thinking out loud...

Earthquakes & volcanos are entity(earth, moon, etc..) level/magnitude events. These could be transition or disruption of entity resonances, e.g. Schumann Resonances. Entity Resonance is butterfly effect of entity + sun environments, extreme fluctuations would trigger disruption/wobbling/change butterfly shape/pattern.

Deep Biosphere could contributes small attribute to crustal variable, perhaps charge&spatial layers could increase crustal modulus of elasticity. Which only has minor affect on resonance, insignificant to drive entity events.

Videos are good, thanks for sharing. It enlightened and encouraged to see open-mindedness.
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Re: Biogenic earthquake hypothesis

Unread postby Younger Dryas » Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:43 pm

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/arc ... me/544265/

"Scientists all over the world were soon hunting for Armillaria, or honey mushrooms, in their own forests. The title of the largest fungus in the world eventually went to one in the Malheur National Forest in Oregon: nearly 1,000 hectares big, as many as 8,650 years old. This “humongous fungus,” as it’s sometimes called, is by some counts still the largest living organism ever found."


Kill a Tree, release water contained within, provide ample sunshine, grassland flourishes, attracts animals and feeds off left behind Nitrogen. Rinse/Repeat.

Fun to think about when ingesting anyway! Or the next landscape photo of a meadow!
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Re: Biogenic earthquake hypothesis

Unread postby Webbman » Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:50 am

Too hot.

Pretty much all heat resistant spores die at 121 C and vegetative bodies long before that at ~75c. At 50km the temperature of the earth is greater than 150 C being very conservative.

Anything alive at that temperature would need multiple strategies to shield itself from the heat so its un-likely if you ask me.
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Re: Biogenic earthquake hypothesis

Unread postby paladin17 » Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:21 pm

Webbman wrote:Pretty much all heat resistant spores die at 121 C and vegetative bodies long before that at ~75c. At 50km the temperature of the earth is greater than 150 C being very conservative.

Anything alive at that temperature would need multiple strategies to shield itself from the heat so its un-likely if you ask me.

Some living organisms can withstand at least 420 C.
The adequate limit for life (according to at least some models of the interior) should be at least 75 km below the surface.
See the paper for more details.
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Re: Biogenic earthquake hypothesis

Unread postby Dom » Thu Dec 12, 2019 3:30 pm

Hi paladin17,

Thanks for posting your hypothesis, very interesting idea. 'Life' may be far more prevalent than we can imagine.

My money's on it being archaea of some type. Initially put in the baterial domain, as archaeabacteria, as their discoverer, Woese first called them. Later found to be entirely distinct from bacteria, and this was only in the late 1970's.

Found to thrive in high temperature/salinity/pH/pressure environments, utilising many different substances for energy - sugars, ammonia, hydrogen, carbon dioxide and many metal ions. Pretty adaptable group, and yet another realm that we could pay a lot more attention to.

Good you pointed out potential conflicts of interest :D

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Re: Biogenic earthquake hypothesis

Unread postby Solar » Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:04 pm

That was certainly a Tour de Force of information. Read the document last night and finished this morning.

I read it with expectancy of hopefully seeing greater integration of what might generally be called ‘Collective Behavior’ some of which seems to be covered with such studies as:

Transient and Oscillatory States of Continuous Culture D. E. F. HARRISON and H. H. TOPIWALA

Cooperative self-organization of microorganisms: Eshel Ben-Jacob,Inon Cohen &Herbert Levine


Very glad to see “See the Pattern” do some justice with its presentations of the hypothesis. One of the curiosities that arose was if there exist any relationship between “magnetotactic bacteria” which form “magnetosome chains” that “are not straight but helical in shape”:

Magnetic bacteria and their unique superpower attract researchers

… and those life forms that partake of anaerobic respiration relative the Earth’s slowly changing magnetic field orientation. Basically the situation exist wherein one has microorganisms that require-utilize electron currents AND another microorganisms that requires, and utilizes, Earth's magnetic fields. From the point of view of a 'sudden release' of energy I wonder if Nature keeps them separate or modulates their interaction?

Recalling the concept of the “resting potential” of a cell (a steady voltage gradient), the “rest mass” of the supposed ‘particle’ might likewise be the same. The quiescence phase of the Sun might also be considered as such. Presumably any given stable energy relation might be considered to be a "resting" condition. Such a balanced scenario might not necessitate the need for a sudden large scale ‘input’-output from an internal-external source. Instead, consider the dynamic in reverse wherein a slight ‘disturbance’ to the “resting potential” might resonantly cascade upward towards the manifestation of a large scale event aka the “Butterfly Effect”(?)

The “trigger” for such such an upwards cascading excitation might be initiated in the form the doc referenced in the work of Shnoll who adopted ‘oscillation regimes’ for ‘signaling’:

In Shnoll's work with proteins and ‘scattering processes’ one of the theoretical inclusions were “oscillation regimes” (or fluctuations) as relates the concept of a theoretical “biological clock”, and other parameters, being transmitted in the medium of the water by the induction of changes in the ‘structure’ of the water itself. In other words a type of 'aggregate communication' for synchronous changes.

These macroscopic oscillations are the result of conformational changes of single molecules synchronizing, which is achieved through waves of structural reorganization" of water, that is, changes in the structure" of a water solution filing in the space between protein molecules.”


Of course this could occur in/through any given medium as required (soil, air, rarefied atmosphere, water etc). Here is an example of a type of triggered social behaviour:

Massive Bee Colony Buzzing In Sync To Scare Off Predators

Now consider several ‘patches’ of synchronized microbial electrochemical ‘oscillations’ in/through any given medium in response to a localized influence occurring within an even larger biomass and/or between ‘microbial systems’. This kind of ‘mass signaling’ is interesting from either the perspective of a ‘sudden energetic release’ and/or a smaller energetic disturbance that might resonantly cascade upwards inducing a larger effect. Observers might see the larger effect while the small disturbance that initiated the event remained a ‘hidden variable’.

This type of activity was briefly covered but I think the document covers so many bullet points its easy to get lost (or tired). Had to make notes to keep up with it but something along these lines seems to be a contributing factor. Not necessarily as a direct cause but only initiates the larger cascade.

Cycles, such as the GEC, whether and climate were mentioned. This made me wonder about the GEC and/or Global Water Cycle (GWC) as a ‘transport’ dynamic composed of different types of ‘screening’, ‘seepage’, ‘leakage’ processes for microbial life as they passed through different media (soil, air, water, minerals etc). For example, processes that might ‘excrete’, ‘percolate’, ‘infiltration’, ‘precipitate’, ‘permeate’ etc - across the ‘boundaries’ of different media to possibly account for the sudden appearance of some microbes after earthquakes . Or in places where they just seem to appear.

I had no idea that traces of sea plankton were found on the ISS. What an amazing bit of information that was! Section 5.5 seems the most easily countered. One could suggest, since as far as anyone knows no life forms exist on these planets, that the detection of quakes on Mars and the Moon might suggest that such events on Earth might not involve microbes at all. It would seem that previous lunar dust and rock samples might have shown some residual decay byproducts or tinny fossil imprints? It makes one wonder if microbes are present on satellites, Hubble telescope etc. It would be humorous if a portion of the supposed CMB were the result of backscattered microbial growth patterns in accumulated the horns.

Interesting hypothesis nonetheless.
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