AC/DC

[beekeeper]

Greetings to all, as the theory stated in the electric univers, the components of the Univers are powered and likely created by electrical forces. How could we establish whether these currents are AC or DC currents? if we could it would likely give us an idea about the origins of these currents or would it? Just looking for some ideas about this if any one has any thank you

[beekeeper]

Just wondering as well what kind of current produces lighting in a storm?

[beekeeper]

in the same line of thoughts what kind of current runs through the nervous system of a living thing?

[Shrike]

Well the first 2 are DC.
the currents when flowing are created by potential difference.

AC as in we humans know it is not likely to occur in nature.
and not to be confused with pulsed DC.

[beekeeper]

If I could get a little more on that, how do we know that it is DC or AC and not another variation of electrical currents?

[seasmith]

beekeeper,

AC is pervasive in our environs, at higher frequency. Just not usually locally intense like DC, unless you stick hand in microwave.
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[beekeeper]

hello there seasmith, so the microwaves in an oven are the transformation of ac current into dc current then into micro waves if I read your posting right, so theoretically it should be possible to transform micro waves into currents. Microwaves being so common in space again theoretically we should be able to tap into them, what is holding us?

[beekeeper]

by the way I like the hand in the microwaves analogy, as we are surrounded by them, what is holding us, together?

[sjw40364]

by the way I like the hand in the microwaves analogy, as we are surrounded by them, what is holding us, together?

The charge we generate moving in magnetic fields. Which is the only source for the microwaves in the first place.

[Solar]

in the same line of thoughts what kind of current runs through the nervous system of a living thing?

There are in actuality two forms of “electricity”.

Alternating Currents (alternating current, cycles)
Direct Current (direct current, “scalar”, no variation “unidirectional” or non-alternating)

Impulse Currents (Tesla, spark gap, early days of wireless)
Oscillating Currents (Tesla, spark gap, early days of wireless)

People are most familiar with “electricity” in terms of the transverse component i.e. the movement “electrons” past a certain point per unit of time. However, since the days of Tesla, the other form of “electricity” has been forgotten in favor of the Hertzian transverse component consisting of “electrons”.

What needs to be understood imho is that Tesla utilized a process referred to as “Individualization”. It means that he worked to ‘separate’ or ‘individualize’ different aspects of the electrical forces. The nature of “electricity” is not just the “flow of electrons”; that is a definition that has also become a limitation. Instead, think of electricity as a “flow of charge”. Taken in that context there are different types of “electric currents” because “charge” is a quality that is shared by other species and these can also “flow” or “beam” as an analogous “electric current”. So, the scope of what is “electricity” needs desperately to broaden and extend beyond the simplified definition of a “flow of electrons”:

E: Electricity has to be viewed from a four quadrant type of situation. The right angle plays an extremely fundamental role in electricity. It is generally a right angle phenomenon.

(from Tesla's Longitudinal Electricity video):
Tesla experimented with impulse current and oscillating current.
our electricity is direct current and alternating current.
The Four Quadrant Theory of Electricity is
IMPULSE CURRENT, OSCILLATING CURRENT, DIRECT CURRENT, ALTERNATING CURRENT.
alternating current + direct current are transverse electromagnetic
impulse and oscillating current are longitudinal di-electric – Eric Dollard: PESWIKI

As stated earlier, first step in “Individualizing” the nature of “electricity” imho would be to realize that there are two forms of “electricity”. People are most familiar and accustomed to the transverse “electrons” oriented aspects. The other aspect, the “longitudinal” component, is that which constitutes the work of Tesla and the two forms of "electricity" can be separated or "Individualized". Here is an example of their discharge characteristics:

Endothermic and Exothermic Electric Discharges

So, with regard to Impulse and Oscillating currents the human body utilizes its own version of the “spark gap”:

What is Saltatory Conduction?

Nerve impulse termed as Saltatory conduction is an impulse. The saltatory conduction helps the action potential to move with efficiency and speed. This whole action of salutatory conduction is carried out in our human body, to be more specific in the myelin nerve fibers. The name salutatory conduction has evolved from the French word, "saltare" which means leap. Saltatory conduction performs the important function of improving the energy efficiency level in the nervous system.

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Myelin is manufactured by Central nervous system and is a white component made up of proteins and lipids. During saltatory conduction, myelin performs the function of insulator. As an insulator myelin takes care that the electric charges are not leaked out through the axon membrane. Action potentials whereas move freely via nerve fibers. Since it is not possible for the electrical impulses to pass via axon membrane’s covered portion, the electric current performs the action potential by jumping to the neighboring node. – What is Saltatory Conduction of Action potential?

If I could get a little more on that, how do we know that it is DC or AC and not another variation of electrical currents?

Other variations (“longitudinal”) of electrical currents exist; but have been relegated into obscurity in favor of the transverse light-speed limited ‘electrons did it' Hertzian framework. "Electrons are the rate at which electricity is destroyed"

[Jarvamundo]

Greetings to all, as the theory stated in the electric univers, the components of the Univers are powered and likely created by electrical forces. How could we establish whether these currents are AC or DC currents? if we could it would likely give us an idea about the origins of these currents or would it? Just looking for some ideas about this if any one has any thank you

What a great topic, this question alone opens up a far deeper understanding of the universe, particularly the electric universe, and of electricity it'self.

The type of electricity used to form a galaxy is the same as the tiny noise ripple that exists when you flick the switch of your AC or DC system.

It is neither AC nor DC. Both these forms of electricity are continuous in function.

Galaxies are transient electrical phenomena. Transient is the natural form of electricity... as Solar points out in blue...

(Transient currents of electricity):
Impulse Currents (DC with time-decay function)
Oscillating Currents (AC with time-decay function)

(my mods in brackets)

There also exist other complex forms of these currents, depending on the electrical constants of the circuit, and in an electrical universe mediated by non-linear plasma, these can become incredibly complex to analyze. That is... a circuit element may not participate in a phenomena until a threshold is reached, these electrical thresholds can also be harmonically reached. Hannes Alfven's early work was in these types of electrical power systems, a terrestrial example is an exploding rectifier when due to transient instabilities at the point of interruption the entire power line and all it's surrounding-ly stored energy decides to participate in a local phenomena... the vaporizing of the substation. BOOM! Alfven then moved onto describe cosmic phenomena with these electrical engineering analytical techniques (the rectifier interruption becomes a solar flare). (PC/EU is applied science, BBT is theoretical musing)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH6XAacQuRs#t=288s
Phenomena of the cosmos are essentially transient phenomena, it's funny to think of a galaxy lasting billions of years as a transient phenomena.

As Lerner points out, it's bizarre to look at a galaxy in the same fashion as brief zap of connecting a car-jumper-lead, but that is exactly "scale-invariance" can demonstrate. Lerner's plasma focus fusion (room-sized - nano-second) device is working on the same scale-invariance laws to that of a galaxy (lightyears size - billions of years in time). Peratt's galaxy simulations make use of a computer to "speed up" the frame rate so to speak, also using the same scale-invariance laws that have been confirmed by experiment.

To gain a better understanding of this natural form of electricity which is absolutely required to begin approaching topics such as plasma and the electric universe, i suggest:
Read the first 3 pages of chapter 1:
Theory and calculation of transient electric phenomena and oscillations (1909) - Charles P Steinmetz (Chief theoretical engineer of General Electric)
http://archive.org/stream/theoryandcalc ... 2/mode/2up
(don't worry, it is an elementary read, the-math doesnt come till later)
(this book was written before stupid concepts like electrons bumping down wires returned to simpleton popularity)

Interestingly oscillations themselves form organic shapes; seashells, plants, galaxies all can be projected from the electrical transient. (See my avatar; tree roots forming in plasma, of a globe that is not plugged into any wire). It's then no surprise that bodily systems also function from electrical transients as mentioned.

in the end, we are all transients. This topic (the study of electrical transients) can have very broad reaching implications to philosophy on religion, history, music / tonal structure, myth, nature, and the human-modern science dogmas that plague thought processes of our institutions. There is a deep fear of the transient, ironically that which nature chooses to use, to power thangs.

good topics have deep rabbit holes

[sjw40364]

Yes, electricity as we define it today adds confusion.
http://amasci.com/miscon/whatis.html

[seasmith]

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Alfvén proposed that interstellar space could contain sufficient plasma to carry electric currents that would produce the required field locally. Only much later was the existence of the galactic magnetic field confirmed, and, ...

http://www.alfvenlab.kth.se/hannes.html

[Solar]

Interestingly oscillations themselves form organic shapes; seashells, plants, galaxies all can be projected from the electrical transient. (See my avatar; tree roots forming in plasma, of a globe that is not plugged into any wire). It's then no surprise that bodily systems also function from electrical transients as mentioned.

Yep, natural scaling. Consider this little one:

Magnetotatic Bacteria:

Magnetotactic bacteria are the smallest organisms that use a navigational method by using the earth's geomagnetic field to develop an internal compass. They were discovered in 1975 by Richard P. Blakemore.

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The geomagnetic field guides the direction of motion of magnetotactic bacteria. In the Northern Hemisphere, the geomagnetic north actually points down to an angle; the magnetotactic bacteria that are aligned to this field are also pointing down. By moving north along this field, they move deeper into the water, and into areas with less oxygen. In the Southern Hemisphere, the geomagnetic north actually points up and at an angle so magnetotactic bacteria in this half of the world are "south-seeking", which points them downward. The magnetotactic bacteria found at the equator are a mixture of north-seeking and south-seeking bacteria because the geomagnetic north doesn't point either up or down. – (1. Magnetotactic) / 2. Bacteria Which Sense the Earth's Magnetic Field

What is it about the nature of a so called “field” that it should induce such an alignment, especially in a living organism for which the scale of Earth’s geomagnetic “field” would seem immensely far beyond the organism’s ability to either detect and/or be influenced by; likewise with Bees, Birds and other animals that functionally utilize these “fields” for directional orientation and other purposes? Not only that, but the bacterial organism also threads the magnetosomes with a “filamentous structure” constructed of amino acids, which were also found to be “aligned in repeats”. When coupled together it is found that “"mature" magnetosomes are strung like pearls on a chain along a filamentous structure, which is similar to a cytoskeleton.”

Primal living bacteria are constructing the internals necessary for processing the “forces” of electrodynamic “fields” in Nature, they are aligning their physical constitution in accordance with the Earth's magnetic field? Nature sprinkled "living iron filings" on the floor of the seas. In the deeper recesses of the creature it is found that the Magnetite Crystals, which are also found in the human body, facilitate the “opening and closing of trans-membrane ion channels” i.e. Nature’s version of the “gates”, or analogous “spark gap”! :

Magnetite in Human Tissues: A Mechanism for the Biological Effects of Weak ELF Magnetic fields

The orders of magnitude scaling is mind blowing but that is a really small EMF inducing critter.

[Jarvamundo]

The orders of magnitude scaling is mind blowing but that is a really small EMF inducing critter.

neat paper.

Makes ya wonder what kind of chaotic madness will break loose when someone plays with the helio-dimmer.