Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

[starbiter]

I asked a friend if they had any problems with the dune model. The response was angle of repose and wasting. When sand dunes form they follow certain patterns. Dry sand slides at 35 degrees. Moist sand forms an avalanche at 45 degrees. Mountains often have steeper angles.

There appears to be a number of explanations for this. If comet dust is the source of the material responsible for mountains, the sand dune angles don't apply. Sand dunes are almost pure silicon dioxide. Comet dust is a combination of silicon dioxide, clay [feldspar], pyroxene, calcite, dolomite, and iron compounds.

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/deepi ... 90705.html

These are the ingredients of mountains. And on the way here the ingredients seem to have formed rocks. Many mountains are made of the mixture. It results in a conglomerate. This material maintains angles of 90 degrees.

https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B-GyNP ... y=CJL0z6QP

https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B-GyNP ... y=CKGIo9kC

The location is the service road.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UT ... 1&t=p&z=15

Some of the rocks are over a meter in length. There are vertical formations over 100 ft like this. I'll photograph one today and post it tomorrow. This seems to be the result of raging water removing the base of the hill/dune. The material can hold up to a 90 degree angle, but no more.

According to another friend, the Rockies are composed of this conglomerate to over 14,000 ft. in many places. The Himalayas also contain much conglomerate.

In Worlds in Collision, survivors describe similar material falling from the sky. Not just in Egypt, but around the world.

michael

[starbiter]

The photographs below are of the Whitewater River channel.

I'm standing just West of the end of the road looking NW.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UT ... 1&t=p&z=15

https://doc-0s-ac-docs.googleuserconten ... l01tfi8e5d

The bottom of the face was removed by the river. The face maintains a 90 degree angle at the bottom, then slopes more gradually. The face seems to be over 200 ft high.

The formations on the right of the next shot are not eroded by the river. The formation on the left probably looked like this prior to water erosion. Electrical erosion looks completely different.

https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B-GyNP ... y=CLSmrtoG

The material is conglomerate, with meter wide rocks.

https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B-GyNP ... y=CMHC0MIO

michael

[starbiter]

Just East of the formation from the last post is a canyon wall that is completely different. I was asked to explain this by one of the rangers that work at Whitewater Conservancy. After driving by many times a small light went on in my mind. The formation is East of the words Whitewater Rd. If you switch to satellite the area looks different than the surrounding area.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UT ... 1&t=p&z=15

https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B-GyNP ... mfgF&hl=en

https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B-GyNP ... y=COu8mfgF

I believe this is slurry runoff from the Whitewater River drainage to the North. The slurry would be from dust and rocks falling from above during incessant rains and sloshing from the Pacific to the West, and inland seas to the East. The water level in the area was around 1800 ft. at the end of the process. It appears the exterior of the stripped area was removed electrically. There is bubbling of the rocks that is not evident elsewhere. More photographs tomorrow.

The material would have been deposited in a manner similar to the two videos in the link below.

http://www.sedimentology.fr/

michael

[starbiter]

I repeated two images on the last post. This was supposed to be the second one.

https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B-GyNP ... y=CJLpysAN

[starbiter]

These shots are the same area discussed in the last post.


I'm standing at the bottom of the map looking up the river at the East side of the canyon.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UT ... 1&t=p&z=15

https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B-GyNP ... y=CNmK4t0J

The next two shots show where the current effecting the cliff was apparently strongest.

https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B-GyNP ... y=CI64recK

https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B-GyNP ... y=CLHvyawB

The last shot looks heated and molten in the field. At least to me.


If a current [enhanced aurora] were traveling up the canyon, the feature protruding from the West side of the canyon might direct the heat and pressure towards the East side. The canyon is also more narrow there. When canyons become more narrow, the electrical looking damage usually increases. That's where the melting and bubbling are greatest in this instance.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UT ... 1&t=p&z=15

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UT ... 1&t=h&z=15

The second map shows the difference in color between the zapped looking rocks and the rest of the area.

michael

[starbiter]

In the center of the map below are two erosion features.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UT ... 1&t=p&z=15

The photograph shows one tan one the right, and the other dark grey on the left.

https://doc-14-ac-docs.googleuserconten ... 1571n10foo

The tan side is mostly conglomerate, with a few areas that seem like areas of solid granite.

https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B-GyNP ... y=CP_6gfsG

https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B-GyNP ... y=CLLgwPwF

https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B-GyNP ... y=CMLE1IED

The area on the left side seems to have been charred.

https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B-GyNP ... y=CMvA8LwD

This looks burnt.

https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B-GyNP ... y=CIGaiI8H

It appears to have started as conglomerate, but layers are charred. The charred layers are weathered looking granite.

https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B-GyNP ... y=CPS7te0K

It appears in the photograph below the granite is a surface effect. There is red dirt below the burned looking granite.

https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B-GyNP ... y=CKyShakE

michael

[starbiter]

The lighting on one of the images from the last post was bad. Below the lighting is better.

https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B-GyNP ... y=CJDyp-IL

https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B-GyNP ... y=CJDyp-IL


It appears to me that the conglomerate that makes up the area was effected externally by something hot, with enough pressure to create what appears to be weathered granite. This formation doesn't appear to be extruded from below, IMO.

michael

[Sparky]

Hey, micheal....gots some questions for you...

could plasma discharge in dark mode reduce rock to sand or dust?..if so, what time frame would we be talking about for a small hill?

And your dune forming aurora, how deeply could it penetrate with effect before dissipating?

my connection is too slow to view a lot of images..

thanks

[starbiter]

Hello Sparky: The image i have of the process of dust creation from rock would be similar to the industrial process of EDM. I'm not certain if this would be dark, glow, or arc mode plasma. EDM is used to remove large areas of metal. The powers associated with an enhanced aurora would dwarf anything industry can produce, IMO. Rock is not used in the EDM process, but what we see on comets with areas that seem to be glowing plasma discharge causing dust production from rock would be an example of what i'm talking about.

I don't think of an enhanced aurora, or plasmoid, as the cause mountain creation. It is a factor though. The wind and dust caused by Venus, or object X, would be the cause of massive dunes on any dry land during the worldwide time of darkness. That's the nature of blowing dust. If an enhanced aurora interacted with the dust it would make a big difference in the process. The electromagnetic nature of the aurora would possibly attract dust from a distance. The heat associated with the process could melt the dust. Reports of rocks and boulders falling from above could be the result of the Z or Bennett pinch associated with the aurora.

As the process increased in intensity the formations seem to have started to melt. This IMO reduced dust production which increased heat retention and caused more melting. As the material got hotter and hotter it would become a conducting plasma. This would allow an entire mountain to melt and conduct. The Sierra Mountains of California have a continuous pluton that runs for hundreds of miles. This would be the result of one of two options in my model of mountain formation. The material was melted by the river of fire in the atmosphere on it's way here, or after it arrived. Or a combination of the two [Janis Joplin]. I guess that's three options. When the process became extreme basalt was produced. This process reduced the silicon dioxide in a manner i'm trying to understand. Maybe the silicon dioxide became oxygen as i believe Dave Talbott has proposed. Still working on this problem.

The inside of a granite mountain looks like the Black Canyon of the Gunnison, below.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UT ... 4&t=p&z=13

https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B-GyNP ... y=CITFn6oL

I'm sorry You can't open some of the photographs Sparky. I compress large files to something less than 1.5 megs. This way they can be enlarged very greatly if You choose. If You visit someone with high speed service take a look. If there is a particular shot You'd like to see i'll reduce it and email You. At least You have the thumbnails.

Thanks for the questions, michael

[ElecGeekMom]

This page is very interesting - and not entirely unrelated to the subject of this thread IMHO:

http://www.iceagenow.com/Electric_pulse ... logist.htm

[allynh]

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[starbiter]

Hello ElecGeekMom: The fact that the Earth conducts as the article You linked discusses opens the door to many possibilities. Thanks for sharing.

Hello Allyn: Thanks for the links about Dr. V's books. The process we are all involved with is much like being a homicide detective. If there are witnesses who've made depositions concerning an event, a careful examination of the records would be in order.

The link below has Worlds in Collision for free. There is also a search engine for within document search.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/21746049/Veli ... -Collision

michael

[starbiter]

The link below is quoted by Wal Thornhill in a news and views article on Holoscience.


http://www.holoscience.com/news.php?article=r4k29syp

http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/vis-data/coastlines/

The article refers to the aurora hugging coastlines in some instances. Because of the electromagnetic nature of the aurora, this creates the possibility of enhancing the deposition of sand and dust on the coastlines. If the atmosphere was thick with dust, as reported worldwide, the aurora would be attractive to this dust. Electromagnetism effects everything, not just iron and nickel. The filaments associated with the aurora [Birkeland Currents] could attract feldspar on one side of the double helix and quartz on the other. This might explain boulders the size of large trees falling from the sky. Granite is composed of separated feldspar and quartz primarily.

The West Coast of many landmasses are mountainous, with large areas of sediment to the East.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UT ... 72&t=p&z=4

This is what would be expected with a strong West Wind while the dust was thickest. Smaller mountains are on the East coast. The winds changed to easterly while there was still dust [darkness] but apparently less than with the West Wind .

If the Earth stopped rotating and the equatorial bulge relaxed, the waters would rush poleward, both North and South. If the Earth started to revolve in the opposite direction, it might require a period of time to accelerate up to speed. During this time the ocean levels North and South of the equator could stay elevated. This would be the time of maximum deposition, in the dune model of mountain formation. As the process continued, ice sheets, and glaciers were produced by warm oceans and subdued sunlight, according to Dr V. At the peak of ice coverage the oceans would decline dramatically, exposing the continental shelves, but the dust seems to have dissipated by then.

The waterline where i'm staying in California was about 1800 feet according to the edge of the mountains.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UT ... 2&t=p&z=14

Sorry for rambling. Too much Starbucks.

michael

[starbiter]

The map link below shows Sutter Butte in CA.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UT ... 6&t=p&z=11

It appears to me the formation was caused by an electrical discharge while the air was thick with dust. In the case of the butte, the charge seems to have been attractive, dust was pulled towards the arc. The area was under water at the time so the incoming dust created new dry land. The process would produce ridges in a duning process because of the winds produced. The photo links below show burned and melted faces of granite. The ground surrounding the area is covered with burned looking granite rocks, probably produced in the air by filaments causing a Bennett Pinch. The edges of the formation have gray granite rocks. Past the edge there are no granite rocks.

https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B-GyNP ... N2E2&hl=en

https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B-GyNP ... ZDMw&hl=en

https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B-GyNP ... N2Y0&hl=en

https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B-GyNP ... NDVk&hl=en

https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B-GyNP ... YTgw&hl=en

https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B-GyNP ... MTNi&hl=en


There is a place in Namibia that seems quite similar to Sutter Butte. The Brandberg Massif below has a similar shape.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UT ... 6&t=p&z=11

With Brandberg, the excavated crater is just SW of the massif. The entire bolt was over 40 miles wide.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UT ... 3&t=p&z=10



But in the case of Brandberg both sides of the bolt left a mark. With Sutter, the side of the Birkeland current that removes material probably excavated a crater with a rim of basalt and center hump of basalt. But it appears the slurry runoff from the East covered the crater.



The brown area N of the crater seems to be material removed in the process and heated to the point of melting.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UT ... 3&t=h&z=10

Survivability during the event would be problematic in the local neighborhood. From a distance the event would be memorable for anyone not in a cave at the time.

michael

[starbiter]

This is a response i gave to Shelgeyr of the Forrest of Pillars thread. It relates to the last post directly.

http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/forum/phpB ... f=4&t=4276

Hello Shelgyeyr: The formations are thought provoking. They could be smokers as has been suggested. I believe the area was submerged during the time of wind and dust, and probably before. The mountain to the south would be an island above the water line.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UT ... 7&t=p&z=13

The area behind the black columns seems to be sediment deposited in a manner described in the sedimentology videos. The horizontal layers are the sign of underwater slurry deposition.



http://www.sedimentology.fr/

The "smokers seem burned on the exterior more than the interior.

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/8430092

The whole area is covered with basalt. A huge thunderbolt struck just to the WNW.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UT ... 3&t=h&z=17
The positive and negative points of the Birkeland current are obvious!

Anything above the waterline got zapped into basalt. NOT volcanic basalt. Everything changes in an Electrical Universe.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UT ... 3&t=h&z=14

Electricity seems to produce columnar objects. Whether the hexagon of Saturn, or the edges of basalt formations. The edges of basalt formations are where the hexagon and other columnar shapes are found. The shapes are blamed on slow cooling. But the slow cooling wold happen in the center, not the edge. And i don't think the formation has had millions of years to erode. More than 10,000 would be in opposition to most EU timelines. If someone wants to apply millions or billions of years i don't know why they would waste their time on this forum.

Apparently the Hebrews knew that a bronze statue of a fire serpent would protect them from the fire serpents. Sounds like a lightning rod/arrester.

http://www.christiananswersforthenewage ... ents4.html sorry about the source

[...]

Following the exodus from Egypt, the Israelites suffer a bitter consequence in the form of serpents. They become impatient after journeying around the land of Edom, and complain about the manna God has been providing. God's anger is provoked, and Numbers 21:6 states that He sends "fiery" (saraph, also translated "venomous" and "poisonous") serpents among the people. Many are bitten and die. Moses is instructed by God in verse 8 to make a bronze poisonous or fiery serpent (also saraph) and set it on a standard or pole, so that those victims who look on it may live. Obeying God, the bronze serpent (nahash) is produced by Moses and those who look on it live, as recounted in verse 9.


Ya can't make this stuff up. I heard this while driving through the mountains of Colorado. It's not mentioned in Worlds in Collision.

Laplanders refer to red, green, and blue fire serpents. The aurora can be red, green, or blue. Probably a coincidence.


I'll post my response here on the dune thread.

michael