LaFreniere Wave Theory for Matter and All Forces

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Re: LaFreniere Wave Theory for Matter and All Forces

Unread post by gamma ray » Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:53 pm

phyllotaxis wrote: The way I see it (pardon the pun), perhaps light/radiation/heat *is* nothing but the aether in motion. Full stop. No more divisions of source. No separate causes with separate explanations. Unified Theory. All EM and all we see/know from one complexly tweakable thing: the aether. That canvas upon which infinite patterns may be drawn. Aether Theory says: We start with this as a place to say where the waves and actions occur, and that's our one mental concession. No evidence can explain how it can't exist, because we witness the arena of reality that it consists of. The fact is, in my simple view, a large quantity of evidence can explain how it does, in fact, exist.

What is "it" specifically? We can't know, because we weren't there when it became. It's like looking through a microscope to decipher what the lens of the microscope is made of. Effects are visible-- not the transmitter.

I have been thinking the same thing but instead regarding matter rather than light. In other words, that matter is just the aether waving. It took a while after reading the LaFreniere wave theory for me to be able to visualize how it would all work. What follows is my interpretation, an oversimplified theory upon a theory. I am not even sure if it is consistent with what LaFreniere proposes, and how closely this reflects reality is anyones guess.

The first question that immediately comes to mind is, what is forming an electron standing wave? After seeing videos of experiments showing how standing waves form patterns, my interpretation would be that the inherent aetheric motion is causing standing waves. Further out there, I am guessing that the standing waves are due to sub-harmonic effects emerging from the universe having frequencies much higher than the electron wave frequency, and the electron is actually a beat effect. And the effect is localized such that the "preferred" location for this electron is where you approximately find it. Throw in a certain amount of noise chaos and now the electron is hard to pinpoint but has a strong preference to hang around a general vicinity.

Now if the standing wave is somewhat asymmetrical, you will instead see a moving electron, because the electron is seeking balance but the energy is being taken from one side and added to another. The energy comes from inherent vibrations of the aether so is in effect limitless. This would explain inertia.

Now introduce another electron in the vicinity. As the electron waves, which have effects much further out than apparent size of the electron, the two electrons start exchanging energy to cause a shift in one another's asymmetry, and this exchange increases as they approach one another. Because they are in phase, as they get closer their new "preferred" location, due to the asymmetry changes, becomes such that they individually slow down relative to the direction of one another. This would "appear" as if they were pushing one another apart from a distance, when really what is happening is that the exchange of energy is causing each electron's asymmetries to shift so that now the preferred locations would cause them to move individually away from one another, so there is the appearance of a "force" between them that is pushing them apart. This would cover collision and action at a distance to illustrate the effect of repulsion of like charges.

I would be interested to know if there are any other theories like this, or on the other hand any theories, that explicitly forbid such an interpretation of wave and energy interaction. I am unsatisfied in the current models of non-mechanical forces which is why I also am of the belief that LaFreniere is on to something important or at least headed in the right direction.

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Re: LaFreniere Wave Theory for Matter and All Forces

Unread post by mjv1121 » Wed Dec 14, 2011 2:38 pm

gamma ray,

Bear in mind that in order for an aether to wave at all would require a sub-aether for the aether particles to wave within.
Waves that we are familiar with require gravity and electromagnetism to operate. Also, standing waves are EXTREMELY unusual - invoking this "freak of nature" as a description of all apparent particle existence would require melting down Occam's Razor and burying it somewhere no-one will ever find it or use it ever again. That these standing waves never merge or destructively interfere is also EXTREMELY convenient and places another huge demand upon aethereal operation. LaFreniere admits that he has no answer for how his aether can form waves.

You mention "energy" a lot, but what does that mean? I confess the word is so ingrained within our psyche that it is difficult to think past it, but what exactly do you mean in each instance of using the term - what is the exact precise physical mechanical processes involved?

That waves exist is not in doubt. How waves work has no explanation that I am aware of and standing waves require and tremendous amount of precise continuous input are even more complex - would nature really do this? No, it would not!!. The absurdity of this theory beggars belief, it is entirely a flight of fancy.

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Re: LaFreniere Wave Theory for Matter and All Forces

Unread post by seasmith » Wed Dec 14, 2011 6:13 pm

Now if the standing wave is somewhat asymmetrical, you will instead see a moving electron, because the electron is seeking balance but the energy is being taken from one side and added to another. The energy comes from inherent vibrations of the aether so is in effect limitless. This would explain inertia.

Now introduce another electron in the vicinity. As the electron waves, which have effects much further out than apparent size of the electron, the two electrons start exchanging energy to cause a shift in one another's asymmetry, and this exchange increases as they approach one another. Because they are in phase, as they get closer their new "preferred" location, due to the asymmetry changes, becomes such that they individually slow down relative to the direction of one another. This would "appear" as if they were pushing one another apart from a distance, when really what is happening is that the exchange of energy is causing each electron's asymmetries to shift so that now the preferred locations would cause them to move individually away from one another, so there is the appearance of a "force" between them that is pushing them apart. This would cover collision and action at a distance to illustrate the effect of repulsion of like charges.

I would be interested to know if there are any other theories like this, or on the other hand any theories, that explicitly forbid such an interpretation of wave and energy interaction.
Gammaray,

Slowwwed dowwn to the acoustic realm. i think you've just summed up the principles of cymatics.
But then i'm a slowww thinker.

8-)

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Re: LaFreniere Wave Theory for Matter and All Forces

Unread post by Goldminer » Sat Dec 17, 2011 12:09 pm

mjv1121 wrote: That waves exist is not in doubt. How waves work has no explanation that I am aware of and standing waves require and tremendous amount of precise continuous input are even more complex - would nature really do this? No, it would not!!. The absurdity of this theory beggars belief, it is entirely a flight of fancy.
Michael
You are mistaken here, mjv. Once a soliton is formed, it only decays because of resistances in the medium.(water is the medium to which I am referring.) Furthermore, inputs only need be miniscule, as they are added in resonance, building up the amplitude.

This is how the HAARP system supposedly warms the ionosphere with pulses of energy. I say supposedly because consensus spokespeople deny even the existence of the system.

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Re: LaFreniere Wave Theory for Matter and All Forces

Unread post by phyllotaxis » Sun Dec 18, 2011 10:06 pm

Just to clarify what I find to be an important point:

Those that are doubtful of the existence or frequency of "standing waves" as a basis for a framework might find it useful to remember that "standing" actually should always be followed with "relative to 'x' "

I find it necessary to remind myself that the entire planet is moving, as are every object on it, around it, outside of it. Everything, everywhere may be taken to be in motion relative to everything else.

A "standing wave" on a tabletop is actually traveling at the solar orbital velocity of 29.78 km/sec (or 107,200 km/h), and also at Earth's axial rotation of 1,674.4 km/h (465.1 m/s). As are we, this very instant.

That tabletop "standing wave" is, in fact, already making two separate dimensional spirals through space at high relative velocity--just referencing those two measurements alone. Add in solar system movement within the galactic arm, and the motion of the arm relative to the galactic core, and galaxy itself writ-large, and on up.

Semantics? I personally don't think so. I believe this is a non-trivial detail.
"Standing waves" are only "standing" relative to the point of observation. I think of it as two cars driving at identical speeds. The concept itself seems very reasonable to me- but I maintain no authority on the fact, only my personal observations.

There are many questions related to how/if wave theory can explain different characteristics of our universe, but in my understanding, ALL waves move- even if they are locked into a relative point that appears stable to an observer sync'd with the wave. I believe the aether has been expressed in similar terms (in explaining why "it" is so hard to detect, as it would possibly move with the detector, becoming effectively transparent)

My question about the nature of waves these days is, what makes a wave a wave? Is it the spin rate of a particle? Different bound clumps of particles? Any point on a rolling ball could appear as a wave from some angle, right, if the ball were transparent (for the thought experiment purposes)? If that "point" were the measurable peak of polar 'charge' on the spin it may be all we could see. We would miss the ball and see only the point- which could manifest itself in the repeating arc of a waveform... Who knows for sure.
Or perhaps it is something else entirely? Webocentric has very interesting thoughts on light/matter/pressure-field gradients which propose to entirely eliminate the need for waves and particles in some ways.

I remain open and curious on all these thoughts. I continue to enjoy the many thoughts expressed here- and maintain that I appreciate the professional and honest tone of them.

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Re: LaFreniere Wave Theory for Matter and All Forces

Unread post by gamma ray » Tue Dec 20, 2011 9:47 pm

seasmith,

Yes it was cymatics that really took me to a whole new level of appreciation of how standing waves could be the source of matter and forces. Simple demonstrations with powerful implications. I don't think the surface of this has even been scratched yet.

Here is a video I found demonstrating how "forces" between two cymatic standing wave "holes" attract and then repel one another, while still retaining their independent forms. That effect is seen at 1:30.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4shodbQM ... re=related

phyllotaxis,

I found this excellent video that goes into the history and theory of a standing wave model for matter. This captures all of the ideas that I was trying to understand, explained clearly, and even addresses some aspects I had not thought of. He also builds on LaFreniere's theory and explains some of those diagrams and how they work. Maybe you will and others interested in aether wave models will also find it helpful to visualize the concepts.

How to Make a Universe - Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=NZ&hl=e ... 8Hgaa6wlNs

It is still open in my mind what the specific properties of the aether itself may be, whether the universe is like a solid, a liquid, or a beanbag, or some combination, perhaps two liquid like aspects. But the standing wave effects of the aether seem very promising to explore further.

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Re: LaFreniere Wave Theory for Matter and All Forces

Unread post by Goldminer » Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:20 am

gamma ray wrote:seasmith,

Yes it was cymatics that really took me to a whole new level of appreciation of how standing waves could be the source of matter and forces. Simple demonstrations with powerful implications. I don't think the surface of this has even been scratched yet.

Here is a video I found demonstrating how "forces" between two cymatic standing wave "holes" attract and then repel one another, while still retaining their independent forms. That effect is seen at 1:30.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4shodbQM ... re=related

phyllotaxis,

I found this excellent video that goes into the history and theory of a standing wave model for matter. This captures all of the ideas that I was trying to understand, explained clearly, and even addresses some aspects I had not thought of. He also builds on LaFreniere's theory and explains some of those diagrams and how they work. Maybe you will and others interested in aether wave models will also find it helpful to visualize the concepts.

How to Make a Universe - Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=NZ&hl=e ... 8Hgaa6wlNs

It is still open in my mind what the specific properties of the aether itself may be, whether the universe is like a solid, a liquid, or a beanbag, or some combination, perhaps two liquid like aspects. But the standing wave effects of the aether seem very promising to explore further.
Ray Tomes is an unappreciated treasure of our times! His harmonics chart, in my brain kitchen, IMBK for short, easily explains "spookey action at a distance!" It puts to lie mjv's "what we know for certain." I visualize harmonic reinforcement acting through the aether as providing the need attraction-repulsion of electric, magnetic, and gravity forces.

I get an inkling of how Catt's ideas combine with Ray Tomes's harmonics. Ray is a member of the TBolt forum. Hopefully he will find this thread and comment here.

His demonstration of the "jello" nature of the aether is helpful. Now, picture this vibration, along with all the other sorts of vibration he mentions, traveling through the aether with the aether as the medium. IMBK, the "at-restness" of the aether exists, but we have nothing with which to detect the aether's "at-restness."

Permittivity, permeability, the impedance of space are all properties of the aether. IMBK, one extra property I visualize that the aether possesses is that it does not have any "motion," as in "flowing." We perceive "motion" from our understanding of changing distance between portions of matter, and the latency between emission and detection of light and want this ability to exist in the aether. Alas, it's not there. IMBK, inertia is also a property of the aether.

I don't know if Ray has addressed the topic of inertia, does anyone know if he has?

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Re: LaFreniere Wave Theory for Matter and All Forces

Unread post by phyllotaxis » Wed Dec 21, 2011 7:58 am

Sincere thanks for the links, I will look at them when I get home.
I like the jello analogy. Has the aether ever been discussed as a foam structure? Where the "divisions" are akin to double-layer cleaves between charges of bunched matter in various resolutions?

But here I am wondering about possibilies before looking at the new info above. Forgive the tangent-mongering.
Aether is a stimulating concept, and I am spending time soaking up the many interpretations of it.

Thank you all for the continuing discussion and contributions- :D

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Re: LaFreniere Wave Theory for Matter and All Forces

Unread post by phyllotaxis » Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:54 pm

A site I found that seems quite similar to the LaFreniere theory on waves

http://www.spaceandmotion.com/

Interesting thinking...

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