Black Holes

[Millennium]

re: the funny bone ...

well, you can guess, since my (un-anticipated) natural philosophy discoveries shot down nearly ALL of contemporary physics dogma -- I BETTER have a LARGE sense of humour -- and play it well and liberally ...

else none of us are going to be able to evolve and grow, and live in this vaster ElectroVerse which we have witnessed!

you will note, also, that though my derivations are exact -- of the dimensionality and topology of the MatterVerse, the boundary to the AntiMatterVerse -- I correctly credit Hannes Alfven and his immortal book "Worlds-AntiWorlds" which brought the question most clearly to my mind.

he graciously left it to me to clarify the picture of where the boundary/mirror exists ...

[bboyer]

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<snip> my (un-anticipated) natural philosophy discoveries shot down nearly ALL of contemporary physics dogma <snip>

else none of us are going to be able to evolve and grow, and live in this vaster ElectroVerse which we have witnessed!

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Perhaps the presentation of your ideas would be better served, and more clearly received by others, if you'd consider easing up a tad on the self-serving, SuperEgoVerse-derived rhetoric. Or at least confine it to a signature line to your profile? And all the cleverly contrived (albeit creative), sentimental/romantic adjectival-gerund conjugations you tend to descriptively add to your work truly only diminishes, detracts from, and obfuscates any value that may, or may not, be inherent to your concepts in a scientifically-oriented context such as this EU section.

Also, the topic is ... :gag: ... "black holes."

[Osmosis]

Here's hoping we can resist creating our own singularities---and then falling into them!

[Millennium]

reply to arc-us --

fortunately 'Science' is not the provincial or patriarchal culture that you seem to 'voice'.

the true insights/enlightenments which are achieved in our 'world-verse' are those that reflect the feminine at least as much as the masculine, and the whole world of cultural ancestry -- natural philosophy -- and languages.

for the young and inexperienced and dogma-programmed -- certainly the languages from 'Down-Under', the songlines of the aboriginals, the observations of spirit from a whole world of seers and shamans, the science and technology from our ENTIRE planet --

well, yes, it can be frightening -- and anger-inspiring ...

for those who lives are steeped in those emotions.

I never sensed that anger, for example, in Hannes Alfven. He was always cordial and encouraging and positive (loving, respectful) across the cultural divide. Whether in correspondence or in conversation -- he had the self-awareness and self-respect to have a world of 'radiance' to share ...

[bboyer]

Again, a polite reminder that the subject of FS3's topic is "Black Holes."

[StefanR]

It's not exactly a black hole, but dark it certainly is :

An international team of astronomers based in France has obtained the first-ever glimpse of the distribution of dark matter over a large section of sky. The team used images from the Canada-France-Hawaii Telescope's high-resolution wide-field imaging camera to analyze the light of 200,000 distant galaxies, looking for distortions caused by intervening dark matter. The results give cosmologists their first clear window into the possible roles of dark matter in the evolution of the Universe.


Numerical simulation showing the distribution of dark matter in a large volume of the universe. The box shown spans a distance of about 1 billion light-years. The structures are displayed so that the brighter regions have a higher density (that is, more dark matter) than the darker regions. The dark matter is concentrated into a web-like distribution of filaments that intersect at dense nodes where great clusters of galaxies are expected to form and become visible. At the rear of the cube (to the left), three blue disks represent three distant galaxies. The yellow lines that cross the box represent light rays from those galaxies propagating through the universe.


This view shows what the observer at the front of the box would percieve when looking at galaxies in the sky. The blue elongated disks are the images of distant galaxies formed by their light after it has passed through the box.However, one can see that the galaxy images are elongated in a special way on average: they are stretched along a direction parallel to the filaments of dark matter. This effect is a consequence of gravitational lensing which stretches the tight bundle of light rays from a single galaxy much like the moon's gravity stretches the Earth to cause the ocean tides.

http://www.cfht.hawaii.edu/News/Lensing/index.html

[MGmirkin]

So, what exactly are the "threads" in the above image? They look a bit like sparks or "solar flares" to me...

Anyone know what they're "supposed" to be, or why they're lit up like fluorescent lights? ;o] Well, perhaps not EXACTLY like fluorescent lights. I just meant they're very bright and seem to be leaping from the central object(s)...

~Michael Gmirkin

The filamentary structures are called relativistic "nonthermal filaments" (NTF's and "Arched filaments") and they even get sub filamentary and are assumed to be helically cylindrical. One of the best papers yet on the subject:

A RADIO POLARIMETRIC STUDY OF THE GALACTIC CENTER THREADS

That sounds distinctly like the description of a z-pinch and/or focus fusion. IE, the proclivity toward filments made up of sub-filaments up to, what 28/56? Something like 28 double-helices, or a total of 56 filaments, when looking fown the barrel of a "plasma gun" or "dense plasma focus." If I recall some of Peratt's work correctly, with plasma guns and bias plates, etc.

Also the "relativistic non-thermal filaments" makes me want to toss out the term "synchrotron radiation." IE, intense radiation from relativistic electrons spun up in/through a magnetic field... Seems to basically fit the definition? (Helically cylindrical, filamentary, relativistic)... Good times!

Or am I totally off base in suggesting the above as a possible garden path to tread?

Cheers,
~Michael Gmirkin

[Drethon]

Scientists must know what they are talking about with black holes, they've pinpointed the fact that they can about the same mass as the average star!

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/0 ... khole.html

How does that work?

[Solar]

="MGmirkin"That sounds distinctly like the description of a z-pinch and/or focus fusion. IE, the proclivity toward filments made up of sub-filaments up to, what 28/56? Something like 28 double-helices, or a total of 56 filaments, when looking fown the barrel of a "plasma gun" or "dense plasma focus." If I recall some of Peratt's work correctly, with plasma guns and bias plates, etc.

Also the "relativistic non-thermal filaments" makes me want to toss out the term "synchrotron radiation." IE, intense radiation from relativistic electrons spun up in/through a magnetic field... Seems to basically fit the definition? (Helically cylindrical, filamentary, relativistic)... Good times!

Or am I totally off base in suggesting the above as a possible garden path to tread?

Cheers,
~Michael Gmirkin

Very good. I hadn't made that connection. (my bold below)

Anthony L. Peratt, Fellow, IEEE, published a seminal paper in the IEEE Transactions on Plasma Science, Vol. 31, No. 6, December 2003. It was titled "Characteristics for the Occurrence of a High-Current, Z-Pinch Aurora as Recorded in Antiquity." In it he explained the unusual characteristics of a high-energy plasma discharge. He discussed mega-ampere particle beams and showed their characteristic 56- and 28-fold symmetry. He wrote: "A solid beam of charged particles tends to form hollow cylinders that may then filament into individual currents. When observed from below, the pattern consists of circles, circular rings of bright spots, and intense electrical discharge streamers connecting the inner structure to the outer structure." - Holoscience

The "hollow cylinders" would equate to "subfilamentation". Of a certainty, the electro-plasma dynamic accounts for more of the activities seen at Sag A* than the gravitational inference of a theoretical "black hole".

[FS3]

Getting back to our old line ...

See this peer-reviewed article (It was posted it in the old forum already! - emphasis added) from:
http://sciencenow.sciencemag.org/cgi/co ... 2007/621/1

No More Black Holes?
By Phil Berardelli
ScienceNOW Daily News
21 June 2007

If new calculations are correct, the universe just got even stranger. Scientists at Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland, Ohio, have constructed mathematical formulas that conclude black holes cannot exist. The findings--if correct--could revolutionize astrophysics and resolve a paradox that has perplexed physicists for 4 decades.
On the surface, a black hole seems like a simple concept. It's a point in space where gravity grows infinitely strong. At a particular distance from the center of the hole--called the event horizon--gravity is already so strong not even light can escape. So material falls in never to be seen again. Calculations support this theory, but they also support something stranger. In 1974, theoretical physicist Stephen Hawking showed that thanks to quantum mechanics matter can escape black holes in a tricky way. By random chance, a particle-antiparticle pair can flit into existence straddling the event horizon. One partner falls into the hole, while the other just barely makes it free. Because of this effect, dubbed Hawking radiation, a black hole slowly evaporates, so that anything that enters is eventually released over billions or even trillions of years. But how can black holes be both airtight and leaky?

Physicist Lawrence Krauss and Case Western Reserve colleagues think they have found the answer to the paradox. In a paper accepted for publication in Physical Review D, they have constructed a lengthy mathematical formula that shows, in effect, black holes can't form at all...

And on adding another to those powerlines in our Universe (wrongly labeled as "blaaaack maaaetter") can you recapture that they look exactly the same than NEURONAL NETWORKS OF THE BRAIN?

Movie here:
http://cosmicweb.uchicago.edu/filaments.html

Those telling pictures from The Center for Cosmological Physics from the University of Chicago website, show the successive growth of galactic clusters, in which computer-generated schematic pictures indicate likely steps in the process of "formating clusters and large-scale filaments in the Cold Dark Matter model with dark energy"...

Putting aside that "dark energy" remark, you can see clearly a pattern of electricity - and they even speak of "filaments" as you can experience in any PLASMA experiment - showing up here.

A kinda "lightning" through the Universe, showing PREFERENCES along certain paths, as ELECTRICITY will do. A living pattern, often recognized in nature, telling that all those galaxies are CONNECTED WITH EACH OTHER - in a certain pattern.

FS3

[StefanR]

The Suzaku X-ray Universe Oral Presentations
http://heasarc.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/suzaku/sandiego2007/
Suzaku Results
http://heasarc.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/suzak ... sults.html

Suzaku (formerly Astro-E2) is Japan's fifth X-ray Astronomy mission. It was developed at the Institute of Space and Astronautical Science of Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency (ISAS/JAXA), Japan, in collaboration with U.S. (NASA/GSFC, MIT) and Japanese institutions, and launched on 2005 July 10. Suzaku is the recovery mission for ASTRO-E, which did not achieve orbit during launch in February 2000.

Suzaku covers the energy range 0.2 - 700 keV with the three instruments: an X-ray micro-calorimeter (X-ray Spectrometer, or XRS), four X-ray CCDs (the X-ray Imaging Spectrometers, or XISs), and a hard X-ray detector, or HXD. However, XRS prematurely lost all its liquid helium cryogen and is no longer perative.

Suzaku has four foil X-ray telescopes (XRTs) focusing X-rays onto each of the four XISs, along with a fifth XRT used with the XRS. The US has contributed to the XRTs, the XRS, and the XISs.

[Millennium]

note: the subject of this thread is the ~nonexistence~ of black holes ...

or to refrase it in the positive -- the existence and experience (form and phenomena) of toroidal superstars.

inclusive of all(?) phenomena which have heretofore been labeled by the non-scientists as black holes, supermassive black holes, central suns, quasars and similar.

there is no gravity ... there is however a natural nodal-relationship building between adjacent particles in the plasma filament, or planets in a star system, stars in a galaxy, etc. thus no scientist would suggest that non-existent gravity goes to non-existent infinity in non-existent black holes.

as to light or space bending with gravity, and similar nonsense. again, neither space nor gravity exists. light or electromagnetism IS CURVED. always was always will be. that is what the sinusoid, the propagating helix IS. that is what ALL experience IS. flux, always curved, spinning, propagating etc. there are no lines, no planes, no points, no space ... indeed no time. there is WHOLE and NOW electrodynamic experience, only.

in addition to the cosmic-scale toroidal superstars, which HAVE THE TOROIDAL TOPOLOGY OF A HELIX, OF LIGHT, OF ELECTROMAGNETISM ... and do NOT HAVE INFINITE GRAVITY ... and DO HAVE THE STANDARD CURVATURE OF A TOROID ... A FLATTENNED SPHEROID WHICH HAS OPENED UP IN THE MIDDLE ...

there is one enitity where this shape and closure is observed in the cosmos ... and that is the electron and the proton. the electron and the proton are the ONLY 'black holes' in the cosmos ... in the sense that when not radiating, when in a stable regime, then you could say "they are not emitting light".

and indeed, these Lissajous standing waves are closed ... their internal lightwave circulates in two (or three) transverse directions at the same time -- thus by the time their internal lightwave has 'propagated' away one-half wavelength it has also moved to the side one-half wavelength ... and it keeps circulating in place,
seemingly motionless to an external observer ... roughly defining a sphere or a torus ...

only defining a sphere or a torus when we are looking at them 'staticly' -- not taking into account their helixoidal' orbit -- another plasma filament -- around the larger systems of which they are a connected dynamic part.

thus sing, dance, inter-weave, all our sacred (deity) relations.

[FS3]

Two astrophysicists at NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center, Nikolai Shaposhnikov and Lev Titarchuk, have "successfully" tested a new method for determining the masses of black holes.

It uses a relationship between the object itself and the inner part of the surrounding disk (where the gas is spiraling inward), using the varying X-ray intensity that repeats itself over a nearly regular interval in a pattern. That signal is called a quasi-periodic oscillation (QPO).

As astronomers think that a QPO’s frequency depends on the black hole’s mass - Titarchuk realized in 1998 that the socalled "congestion zone" lies close in for "small" holes (QPO clock ticks quickly) and farther out at "bigger" ´oles, where the "QPO clock" is said to tick slower. To measure the black hole masses, Shaposhnikov and Titarchuk used old data from RXTE (NASA’s Rossi X-ray Timing Explorer ), where they acquainted measurements of QPO frequencies of 15 black holes.

http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/new ... eight.html

So it all looks again like a totally made-up "thought-experiment" where the crucical part lies in the assumption at the very beginning - where it is thought that X-rays are caused by black ´oles.

Instead it looks like they are measuring the frequency of the load-reloading process of a massive double-layer structure - perhaps in a binary system.

FS3

[FS3]

It seems that the topic "Black Holes" is always pulled out from the astrophysical magic box if there is something unexplainable or contradictory. Similar to the concept of Dark Matter/Energy it almost is comparable with the Greek concept of the "deus ex machina" - a mystical character appearing on the stage always when the plot became too complicated for the audience and nothing seemed to help anymore. So the "god out of the machine" had to appear and to unwind all those knots the drama was unable to solve due to logic and reason...

As astrophysicists can’t explain why "young" stars were observed in the centre of the Galaxis - whooop - the omnipotent "deus ex machina" was called for. As they assume a black hole to be there at Sag-A - and it has to be a "supermassive" one - what could be more flawe..., pardon - "logical" than to calculate in a simulation, which required more than a year of supercomputer time, that the black hole might be doing all this.

Not only "swallowing" stars - no, giving birth likewise!

I have put the details into the Electric Currents Critical to Star Formation? -thread, already - but it should be documented in this thread likewise.

Full article at:
http://sciencenow.sciencemag.org/cgi/co ... 2008/822/2

Watch out! Those Black ’oles are slowly everywhere...

FS3

[GaryN]

I'll let others decide on the validity of this proposal:

http://www.journaloftheoretics.com/Arti ... ure-GH.pdf

I think black holes must be huge charge confinement producing huge magnetism, somehow being interpreted as huge gravity.
Could this explain it?