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LaFreniere Wave Theory for Matter and All Forces

Unread post by phyllotaxis » Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:24 pm

Because this topic has attracted discussion in multiple threads, and carries a huge amount of information within its framework, I'd like to open this thread specifically to discuss

Gabriel LaFreniere's Aether Wave Theory (AKA The Theory of Absolute)

There are 34 pages on his site, listed in sequence as follows.
For ease of our forum members efforts in navigation, I will link to each page here by topic as it appears on his excellent, comprehensive site to aid you reading on and referencing what interests you about his fascinating work.

It is my belief that there are extremely useful elements of this research that potentially have direct application to much of the EU theory, and it is up to us to explore those connections and see how they may fit into the big picture. Get to it!



LET'S KEEP THIS THREAD TOPICAL- there is no use for off-topic thread-stuffing or ad-hominem retorts. Thanks! :mrgreen:

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Re: LaFreniere Wave Theory for Matter and All Forces

Unread post by D_Archer » Mon Nov 07, 2011 7:51 am

Sorry, i have not read it all, i started at the 'wave theory postulates' (http://glafreniere.com/sa_postulates.htm), but what is not clear is what waves are made of?

In the 'matter is made of waves' page (http://glafreniere.com/matter.htm) LaFreniere says:
For example, one should answer this simple question: how does a photon work, from a mechanical point of view? Surely, nobody ever proposed an acceptable explanation
But somebody did, Miles Mathis. The photon is a real particle with extension. The spin on photons is what creates the wave (cause and effect). So the waves are secondary.

Just my initial thoughts.

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Re: LaFreniere Wave Theory for Matter and All Forces

Unread post by Sparky » Mon Nov 07, 2011 8:23 am

Gabriel LaFreniere had experience in optics. He noticed wave phenomenon that seemed to explain electrons. His hypothesis is that "granules", separated by mutual repulsion, form a sort of fabric of space, which he calls an aether. He states that waves must have a medium to propagate through, so i will assume that granules are particles.

From this aether comes the energy to form electrons, which are standing waves upon the aether. Interacting electrons, in very complex wave interactions, generated by mathematical models, form all other particles.

This extremely complex wave interaction process, as subatomic and atomic wave/particles, interacts and forms elements. The elements form molecules, and compounds, etc... These are all waves made from the waves of aether. The graphics at the site show how complex things can get at the most basic levels. Anything above the electron starts to become a mishmash of interacting waves. Nice to mathematically model, but is that anywhere near reality?

My question is, how all the wave particles keep their individuality, with all of the interacting waves. How is organized matter built upon such an jumbled mass of indistinguishable standing waves, which are moving!?
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Re: LaFreniere Wave Theory for Matter and All Forces

Unread post by mharratsc » Mon Nov 07, 2011 9:07 am

@ Sparky - I'll echo that question, and add to it: How does 'spin' fit into all that, and how do particles keep their spin when they are all bouncing around together? Is none of it lost in the process?

I wonder if 'spin' is how objects keep their 'potential energy' at a root level? Does the amount of spin get converted to kinetic energy in a 'work' scenario?

How does gyroscopic physics factor into this? Is it likewise scalar like EM forces? What does gyroscopic effects relate to on a subatomic scale? Does it factor into matter 'waves', also?

If there is a sea of particles out there, then how does particle 'spin' in polar alignment vs. 'spin' with random alignment affect large scale matter? Is it even possible to not have a polar alignment of spin? Is there where gravity finds its origin? (I believe that is where Wal Thornhill has suggested gravity originates, but I'm not certain I've read his work correctly in this regard.)

Would matter 'waves' then be the relative motion of these particles on an X-Y-Z axis (i.e.- motion in 3 dimensions) vs. their relative spin in relation to one another? Or do I have that backwards?? :?

Man, theoretical particle physics is hard! :oops:
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Re: LaFreniere Wave Theory for Matter and All Forces

Unread post by Goldminer » Mon Nov 07, 2011 9:15 am

Sparky wrote: This extremely complex wave interaction process, as subatomic and atomic wave/particles, interacts and forms elements. The elements form molecules, and compounds, etc... These are all waves made from the waves of aether. The graphics at the site show how complex things can get at the most basic levels. Anything above the electron starts to become a mishmash of interacting waves. Nice to mathematically model, but is that anywhere near reality?
Sparky, with all respect, I have tried to explain to you that the aether is the medium. It doesn't move, as in flow. Absolute rest does not apply to the aether, since motion (in the sense of flow) is not a property of the aether. It does vibrate, but only when energy is applied to it. Standing waves stand in it, but can have motion relative to each other. When standing waves collide with each other, they can bounce, or recoil from each other. EMR travels through it as straight line rays of radiation, the waves expanding spherically from the source. The waves do not interact with each other unless in resonance.
Sparky wrote:My question is, how all the wave particles keep their individuality, with all of the interacting waves. How is organized matter built upon such an jumbled mass of indistinguishable standing waves, which are moving!?
The aether has 720 degrees of freedom, not the 360 given it by convention. Think of each tiny division of space vibrating in a gazillion directions according to the energy it receives from all different directions. It then re-emits them in the exact opposite direction as received. The extent of dividing the aether into ever smaller divisions is probably moot, so thinking of the smallest division as a granule is fine provided you give it the property of deforming, or vibrating, in 720 degrees of freedom.

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Re: LaFreniere Wave Theory for Matter and All Forces

Unread post by phyllotaxis » Mon Nov 07, 2011 10:40 am

mharratsc wrote:@ Sparky - I'll echo that question, and add to it: How does 'spin' fit into all that, and how do particles keep their spin when they are all bouncing around together? Is none of it lost in the process?
The "spin" phenomenon is covered in detail on the THE ELECTRON section, and in many other places within the framework-

An excerpt:
THE ELECTRON SPIN

One wave. Two particles. Four phases.

Standing waves exhibit nodes where the medium pressure remains constant, and antinodes where negative and positive energy alternate. They produce regularly spaced nodes and antinodes whose distance is a half-wavelength, but in the meantime the medium pressure is the same everywhere and the system seems to disappear.

The point is that such antinodes appear twice per period. This means that while a standing wave system is producing a positive antinode at a given x coordinate, another perfectly synchronized system placed crosswise can rather produce a negative antinode there. Both systems being identical, their pulsating period is not for an observer placed there.

So this is a relative point of view. All electrons are perfectly identical, but their unique central antinode is a privileged one. The amplitude there can be positive while it is negative inside another one, although all antinodes will be present simultaneously.

This means that while one core is positive, another one can be negative. In other words, its phase is pi shifted with respect to the other one. In the meantime, all other antinodes are present, but their position is lambda / 2 shifted. Finally, two sorts of electron are possible. The electron spin does not refer to a mechanical rotation. It is the consequence of a phase rotation, and in order to achieve this all electrons must be perfectly synchronized.

In addition, two times per period, such synchronized standing waves seem to disappear because the medium pressure is uniform everywhere. This is called quadrature, which can be either pi / 2 or 3 pi / 2. This indicates that there is some place for two other particles, two sorts of positrons, whose antinodes also appear simultaneously.

Assuming that electrons can synchronize themselves mutually, all positrons in the vicinity will less or more rapidly transform their phase and become electrons. The atomic structure makes it so that electrons are always nearer one from another, while positrons are also grouped. Moreover, the proton structure supposes that its three quarks should produce a pi / 2 phase shift in its center, making a hidden positron very stable and comfortable there.

The spin effect.

Two electrons close together behave normally in spite of the spin difference. But up and down spin produce opposite magnetic fields when the electron standing waves are adding to the positron's. A surprising unidirectional radiation appears, whose direction determines the north and south pole. This means that one hydrogen atom alone is certainly magnetic. It is a dipole, and the sun's surface clearly proves this. However, the hydrogen molecule is made of two hydrogen atoms. Because it is not magnetic, it should contain two electrons whose spin is +1/2 and –1/2.

For the same reason, any atom should contain an equal number of spins, which should be placed on opposite sides. Otherwise, the resulting atom shows a residual polarity which modifies its chemical properties. This is partially the cause of Pauli's Exclusion Principle.

The electron spin (up and down, or +1/2 and –1/2) is the consequence of a phase rotation. It can be either –pi/2, pi/2, 3pi/2, etc. The positron's quadrature is rather 0 pi, pi, 2 pi, etc. The word spin indicates a mechanical rotation, but this would suggest an axis which was never demonstrated. Moreover, such a real spin is unlikely to be possible because the electron is so small that it can be seen as a point.

So the spin is the wave period. Here is a diagram showing this:



Two sorts of spin for the electron and two more for the positron.

You'll find that many of the questions that arise about the how's and why's of this work are discussed. One simply has to read the whole of the theory.

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Re: LaFreniere Wave Theory for Matter and All Forces

Unread post by Sparky » Mon Nov 07, 2011 12:22 pm

goldminer,
I have tried to explain to you that the aether is the medium. It doesn't move, as in flow.


thank you....yes, i understand that LaFreniere's aether is standing waves of granules. But, electrons and other things are moving.
And if each is a standing wave or some combination of waves, and they are all closely associated, such as an atom, or molecule. that's a lot of wave interaction.
The waves do not interact with each other unless in resonance.
that is not what i got from my reading...maybe i don't understand "resonance"...you may be introducing information that you got someplace else.

I am not at all comfortable with this wave hypothesis. It gets too messy very quickly....Maybe CERN can sort it all out... :roll:
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Re: LaFreniere Wave Theory for Matter and All Forces

Unread post by phyllotaxis » Mon Nov 07, 2011 1:02 pm

Sparky, I understand the reluctance in the face of a different take on thinking about the fabric of space/aether. However, I humbly and sincerely hope you will allow the time to think on this before dismissing it out-of-hand as too 'messy'. If any of this were dead-simple, we might both agree that the questions would have been answered conclusively centuries ago.

This material is worth thinking about. I hope you will spend some more time with it before making judgment on it :)

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Unread post by GaryN » Mon Nov 07, 2011 1:33 pm

I see the waves as being, like sound in air, the rapid assembly and disassembly of geometrical configurations of charge, rather than molecules. Then you need to define charge. The electron has been found to be extremely spherical, but is a standing wave of colliding in-out wavefronts, so is the point charge emitting these wavefronts, even though it has no dimensions? Maybe its oscillations are from an exist/non-exist condition. All events are a temporary imbalance in Nothingness? Hey, none of the experts have managed to answer the question, don't laugh at my answer, yet!
For example, sound is not a vibration of the air. A sound wave, we know today, is an electromagnetic process involving the rapid assembly and disassembly of geometrical configurations of molecules. In modern physics, this kind of self-organizing process is known as a "soliton." Although much more detailed experimental work needs to be done, we know in principle that different frequencies of coherent solitons correspond to distinct geometries on the microscopic or quantum level of organization of the process. This was already indicated by the work of Helmholtz's contemporary, Bernhard Riemann, who refuted most of the acoustic doctrines of Helmholtz in his 1859 paper on acoustical shock waves.
http://www.schillerinstitute.org/fid_91 ... _tune.html
There are also previous threads discussing the Spherical Standing Wave, do a TB site
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Re: LaFreniere Wave Theory for Matter and All Forces

Unread post by Goldminer » Mon Nov 07, 2011 2:12 pm

Sparky wrote:
Goldminer wrote:I have tried to explain to you that the aether is the medium. It doesn't move, as in flow.


Thank you . . . yes, I understand that LaFreniere's aether is standing waves of granules.
IMHOP, Sparky, you still don't have it right: the aether just is. It does not consist of standing waves of granules, Just granules all by themselves. Any waves in the aether are disturbances of it. There is an important distinction in the above sentences, I hope you grasp it. Of course, in our neck of the universe, the aether is being disturbed all the time from every which way. And yes, to us, if we could actually see the aether, it would seem to be all chopped up, just like the surface of a busy harbor.
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Goldminer wrote:The waves do not interact with each other unless in resonance.
that is not what I got from my reading...maybe I don't understand "resonance"...you may be introducing information that you got someplace else.
My thought was directed toward radiated EMR. Matter, in its tiniest form, which according to LaFreniere, are vortexes in the aether, otherwise standing waves. These do interact with each other and with EMR. But it still involves resonance. Visit Cycles Researchers. Ray Tomes (of Cycles Researchers) is more or less active on this forum and has made some very good points here.
Sparky wrote:I am not at all comfortable with this wave hypothesis. It gets too messy very quickly....Maybe CERN can sort it all out... :roll:
That would be one of the last places I'd expect to find common sense.

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Unread post by Sparky » Mon Nov 07, 2011 3:30 pm

goldminer,
Sparky, you still don't have it right: the aether just is. It does not consist of standing waves of granules, Just granules all by themselves. Any waves in the aether are disturbances of it.
I guess this is where i got the idea that there were waves of aether...
Because matter extracts some energy from plane aether waves, there is a shade effect between two material bodies.
so, the "plane aether waves" are waves that are being superimposed upon the granular aether?

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The wave addition produces concentric ellipsoids and hyperboloids where phases alternate.
This is a simplification: actually, there are billions of superimposed hyperboloids very close together.
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Re: LaFreniere Wave Theory for Matter and All Forces

Unread post by phyllotaxis » Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:59 pm

It may help to clarify the intended definition of "granular", as written on "THE AETHER" page:

an excerpt:
Augustin Fresnel.

Augustin Fresnel thought that the light waves should vibrate transversally according to his observations on light polarization through Iceland Spath. Then he supposed that aether should be made of material points separated by intervals.

However, such transverse vibrations do not really occur. Light is made of regular longitudinal waves and the phases only vibrate transversally. Light waves are composite in nature so they can carry transverse phase patterns. The material points idea definitely remains the best one, though. Such a structure is the simplest possible and it nevertheless explains two important phenomena.

Firstly, our analysis of wave behavior through such points (we prefer "granules" because a point cannot exist) indicates that some anomalies should occur. For example, the wave speed slows down if the wavelength is very short. Just a few granules for a whole wavelength introduces a "quantum" effect.

Secondly, material points becoming more and more distant can explain the Universe expansion. In such a case, very fast and distant galaxies would still be at rest with respect to the aether points over there.

The program below shows that Mr. Anselme Dewavrin's algorithm, which is derived from Euler's method, does not yield exactly the same results as the accurate y = sin(2 * pi * x / lambda) procedure, especially when the discrete steps are insufficient as compared to the wavelength. It turns out that the so-called error in Euler's method is actually a true fact. The aether does produce this error, it is really made out of points or granules which transmit energy by discrete steps.

Aether01_Dewavrin.exe

Another example is the always positive medium, which cannot produce perfectly symmetrical sine waves for very high amplitude levels. The high amplitude (high compression) level is unlimited while the lower amplitude reaches a limit, which is the absence of granules inside a given space. I am quite sure that this anomaly explains very well the electron amplification because standing waves produce such an asymmetry.

So granules whose unique property is to repel one another is the perfect medium for aether waves. A similar model with both attractive and repulsive properties allowed Mr. Delmotte (see the Virtual Aether below) to elaborate a fantastic computerized medium. Six months later, Mr. Marcotte invented a different algorithm which is a bit simpler, and then a more complex but faster one.
As I read this, "granules" is intended simply as an articulation of "defined points of reference in space"-- not actual 'things' with independent definition, per se.

Perhaps others will glean better understanding than I through their own interpretation.

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Re: LaFreniere Wave Theory for Matter and All Forces

Unread post by seasmith » Mon Nov 07, 2011 8:22 pm

“ How does gyroscopic physics factor into this? Is it likewise scalar like EM forces? What does gyroscopic effects relate to on a subatomic scale? Does it factor into matter 'waves', also?”
MikeH,
For an in-depth work on Gyroscopic forces vs EM please see:
http://www.gyroscopes.org/1974lecture.asp

Goldminer,
Re your “720deg freedom”, may I just add a ‘spinor’ link as a whyfore ?
Y4
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... e_0031.gif

Phyllo,
LaFreniere’s terrific visualizations of his "evanescent" “wave nature of matter” is plainly stated to be based on Lorentz’s spherical spin with trajectory forces.
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hb ... agfor.html

In other words it sounds as though he might regards those waves as perturbations upon a subsuming ‘field’ ? And with granules as derivative> of a more evanescent wave motion.
[Not to put words in his mouth and i apologize if I have.]

Irregardless, it is clear that Motion is a given.
To borrow Kiehn’s terms and put it all in motion d(t), with Spin and Helicity.
http://www22.pair.com/csdc/download/hacettepe.pdf

But back to the nitty of the thread,
the question of the nature of a prime force generating the motions inherent in electrons, b, e, G and any other emission fields mentioned everywhere~

Guess GaryN’s on the nic as usual ;)


particles and waves as Temporary Topological Defects
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Re: LaFreniere Wave Theory for Matter and All Forces

Unread post by seasmith » Mon Nov 07, 2011 8:56 pm

This was the spinor link-
This means that a 360 degree rotation transforms a spinor into its negative, and so it takes a rotation of 720 degrees for a spinor to be transformed into itself. Specifically, spinors are objects associated to a vector space with a quadratic form
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spinor

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Re: LaFreniere Wave Theory for Matter and All Forces

Unread post by Goldminer » Mon Nov 07, 2011 10:43 pm

Sparky wrote:
goldminer wrote:Sparky, you still don't have it right: the aether just is. It does not consist of standing waves of granules, Just granules all by themselves. Any waves in the aether are disturbances of i.

So, the "plane aether waves" are waves that are being superimposed upon the granular aether?
Yes! :) I believe you have gotten it! Without any wave energy the aether would be just as placid as the surface of a quiet pond. I wouldn't use "superimposed," since I would expect that some source of vibration disturbed the aether in the first place. Of course the aether is 3D and not 2D as the surface of a pond; arguably 4D when the 720 degree freedom is taken into the account. In My Humble Opinion of course.

Additionally, I speculate that the impedance of the aether to EMR is also the resistance we know as "inertia" (matter's reluctance to changes in motion caused by acceleration.) The interesting thing about it to me is that gravitational acceleration does not cause the inertial reaction in free-falling matter that every other type of acceleration produces in said matter.

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