Are the planets growing?

[sjw40364]

The thing is that I've been contemplating that if Z-pinches formed planets and stars, perhaps they are ongoing and this is why the sun and planets can rotate around a barycenter outside their centers of mass. That is the location of the z-pinch. Now Z-pinches pull matter in and compress it, continually adding mass. just a wild speculation.

[allynh]

Depending on how you parse these articles, you GET(HA!) some deeply disturbing results. Ignore the standard dating in the discussion and just look at the pictures and the implications.

From the Saturn Myth/EU perspective, you have a young mountain range recently buried under ice.

From the GET perspective you have mountains forming as the continent is flattened to fit the larger Earth Because as has been pointed out before, Antarctica is surrounded by other "plates" and there is no way plates "pulling" could create a "rift" and build mountains like that.

How Did Antarctica's Mysterious Ice-Covered Mountains Get There?
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science ... =pm_latest

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How Did Antarctica's Mysterious Ice-Covered Mountains Get There?

In 1958, Russian scientists climbed across the coldest place on earth, the immense Antarctic ice sheet, taking measurements of what lay under the surface. To their surprise, they discovered was a giant, craggy mountain range totally hidden under the ice.

Since their discovery, the Gamburtsevs have remained "the least understood mountains on Earth," says Fausto Ferraccioli, lead author of a new paper about the mountains’ formation. He says that those original explorers weren't expecting to see anything particularly exciting, since the innards of most ancient continents like Antarctica are basically flat, and scientists in the years since have wondered how the Gamburtsevs got there. For the study published today in Nature, Ferraccioli and colleagues gather extensive new data that could help to explain these mysterious mountains.

The big problem for geologists is this: The Gamburtsev mountains appear to be relatively young—they bear jagged peaks that haven't yet been worn down by erosion. Other mountain ranges that look like are geological infants: the craggy Himalayas, for instance, are still in the process of being formed. But scientists know of no geological events in Antarctica’s recent history that could have created the Gamburtsevs. There are no continental plates in the area, for example, that could have squeezed together to push up mountains, which is how the Himalayas were created.

Plus, while Ferraccioli's team couldn't directly sample mountains buried in ice, rocks in Antarctica are known to be anywhere from 500 million years old to 2.5 billion years old, according to geologist Stuart Thomson at the University of Arizona, who was not involved in the research. So while the mountains may look young, the evidence would suggest they must be quite old.

Cracking this mystery means going down to one of the most remote parts of the most remote continent, to actually investigate the Gamburtsevs. So in 2008, Ferraccioli and his team set out with two airplanes equipped with ice-penetrating radars, laser ranging systems, gravity meters, and magnetometers. They collected different kinds of data to see if they could learn more about these hidden mountains. "Before this, nobody has put it all together to understand the geology of this and how these mountains were formed," Thomson says.

The new data suggests that the Gamburtsevs were formed through the geological process of rifting. A rift valley—like Africa’s Great Rift Valley, the site of many famous fossil discoveries—appears when two land masses on either side of a fault spread apart. The Gamburtsevs appear to have a rift on either side of them, Ferraccioli says, and the spreading from both sides created the tall mountain range in between.

That's part of it, Ferraccioli says. In addition, he and his team think that a huge chunk of rock pushed up from beneath the mountains and fueled their growth. Mountains are something like icebergs, Ferraccioli says—not only because they "float," but also because only a small part of them actually sticks up above the surface to be visible to us. Mountains float on the mantle—the middle layer inside the Earth. Only a small part of the mountain pokes above the ground; the part below—the crustal root—is less dense than what’s around it, so it pushes the mountains up. Generally, the upward motion of the crustal root eventually reaches an equilibrium, and the mountain stops growing. But Ferraccioli thinks that the crustal root in this ancient mountain was rejuvenated when the rifting action began—perhaps the rifting created heat that changed the density of the crustal root, he says, causing it to push up on the Gamburtsevs again and explaining why they look so young.

Thomson calls this explanation "quite compelling," but says that some of the finer details about the timing of these events are speculative—without being able to sample the rocks directly, it's impossible to know for sure, and the Gamburtsev Mountains are buried in ice.

This may soon change, however. A team of Chinese scientists is currently planning an expedition to the Gamburtsevs that would drill through the ice and into the rock below. The expedition would take place sometime within the next five to ten years, Ferraccioli says, and it would give scientists more accurate data that could help them uncover more of the secrets of the Gamburtsevs.

Reaching these ice-encrusted mountains will be a cold, hard mission. But the Gamburtsevs have greater importance than simply being one of the world's most interesting geological oddities—they could reveal the history of the planet’s climate. The Gamburtsevs, Ferraccioli says, are the birthplace of the ancient Antarctic ice sheet, which grew to cover the pole 34 million years ago. At that time, a cooling effect created icy mountaintops, which grew and grew until they joined together and created a massive ice sheet covering some 5 million square miles. That means the ice around the mountains should be some of the oldest in the world; a sample of it could reveal how the climate has changed over millions of years.

Gamburtsev 'ghost mountains mystery solved'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15749757

17 November 2011 Last updated at 06:49 ET By Jonathan Amos Science correspondent, BBC News The survey required the scientific and logistical support of seven nations
Scientists say they can now explain the existence of what are perhaps Earth's most extraordinary mountains.

The Gamburtsevs are the size of the European Alps and yet they are totally buried beneath the Antarctic ice.

Their discovery in the 1950s was a major surprise. Most people had assumed the rock bed deep within the continent would be flat and featureless.

Survey data now suggests the range first formed over a billion years ago, researchers tell the journal Nature.

The Gamburtsevs are important because they are thought to be the location where the ice sheet we know today initiated its march across Antarctica.

Unravelling the mountains' history will therefore inform climate studies, helping scientists to understand not just past changes on Earth but possible future scenarios as well.

"Surveying these mountains was an incredible challenge, but we succeeded and it's produced a fascinating story," Dr Fausto Ferraccioli from the British Antarctic Survey (BAS) told BBC News.

Continue reading the main story

Dr Ferraccioli was a principal investigator on the AGAP (Antarctica's Gamburtsev Province) project.

This multinational effort in 2008/2009 flew aircraft back and forth across the east of the White Continent, mapping the shape of the hidden mountain system using ice-penetrating radar.

Other instruments recorded the local gravitational and magnetic fields, while seismometers were employed to probe the deep Earth.

The AGAP team believes all this data can now be meshed into a credible narrative for the Gamburtsevs' creation and persistence through geological time.

It is a story that starts just over a billion years ago, long before complex life had formed on the planet, when the then continents were drifting together to create a giant landmass known as Rodinia.

The resulting collision pushed up the mountains, and also produced an underlying thick, dense "root" that sat down in the crust.

Over the course of hundreds of millions of years, the peaks would have gradually eroded away. Only the cold root would have been preserved.

Then, about 250-100 million years ago, when dinosaurs roamed the planet, the crust started to pull apart in a series of rifting events close to the old root.

This rifting warmed and rejuvenated the root, giving it the buoyancy needed to lift the land upwards once more to re-establish the mountains.

Further uplift still was achieved as deep valleys were later cut by rivers and by glaciers.

And it would have been those glaciers that also wrote the final chapter some 35 million years ago, when they spread out and merged to form the East Antarctic Ice Sheet, entombing the Gamburtsevs in the process.

The Gamburtsevs were a nucleation point for the East Antarctic Ice Sheet

"This research really solves the mystery of how you can have young-looking mountains in the middle of an old continent," said US principal investigator Dr Robin Bell from the Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory of Columbia University.

"In this case, the original Gamburtsevs probably completely eroded away only to come back, phoenix-like. They've had two lives," she told BBC News.

A proposal is likely to go to funding agencies soon to drill into the mountains to retrieve rock samples. These samples would confirm the model being put forward in the Nature publication.

The search also goes on for a suitable place in the range to drill for ancient ice.

By examining bubbles of air trapped in compacted snow, it is possible for researchers to glean details about past environmental conditions, including temperature and the concentration of gases in the atmosphere such as carbon dioxide.

Somewhere in the Gamburtsev region there ought to be a location where ices can be retrieved that are more than a million years old. This would be at least 200,000 years older than the most ancient Antarctic ice cores currently in the possession of scientists.

To some extent, however, the AGAP survey has actually depressed this quest. The radar data has indicated the base of the sheet has been severely disrupted by water that has been freshly frozen, layer upon layer, on to the bottom of the ice column.

Jonathan.Amos-INTERNET@bbc.co.uk

Antarctica's "Ghost" Mountains Explained
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... ence-earth

Richard A. Lovett
for National Geographic News
Published November 16, 2011

Stuck in a "deep freeze" for millennia, a mysterious mountain range deep under the Antarctic ice is finally coming to light.

The Gamburtsev Mountains appear to be part of a rift—a series of ridges that form where Earth's tectonic plates separate—that once stretched about 1,800 miles (3,000 kilometers) long, a new study says.

The rift may have been created about 250 million years ago, during the breakup of the ancient supercontinent Gondwana. That landmass included today's East Antarctica, India, Africa, and Australia, said study co-author Fausto Ferraccioli of the British Antarctic Survey in Cambridge, England.

Buried under about three miles (five kilometers) of ice, the Gamburtsev Mountains weren't even found until the mid-1900s, when Russian explorers recorded unusual gravity fluctuations emanating from beneath the ice. (See a high-resolution Antarctic map.)

Subsequent studies have revealed a giant range, on par with the European Alps, with the highest peaks rising nearly 15,000 feet (4,500 meters).

"These are the least understood mountain ranges on Earth," Ferraccioli said. "It is as exciting as exploring another planet."

Taking a Mountain MRI

An international team of geophysicists recently flew over the Gamburtsev Mountains and used radar to peer beneath the ice and take detailed gravitational and magnetic readings.

The radar shows the mountains' physical features, while the magnetic and gravity readings allow scientists to peer more deeply into the crust. Taken together, the three tools are like taking an MRI image of the mountains, from their surfaces all the way to their roots, said Ferraccioli, whose study appears tomorrow in the journal Nature.

(Related: "First Detailed Pictures: Antarctica's 'Ghost Mountains.'")

Based on this data, Ferraccioli's team pieced together a complex picture of the mountains' history.

Today, the Gamburtsevs appear to sit atop an older range, probably formed during a period of major supercontinental assembly, either 1.1 or 1.8 billion years ago, when East Antarctica was being assembled from smaller pieces, Ferraccioli said.

That ancestral range then eroded, but about a 20-mile-deep (32-kilometer-deep) root remained in the underlying mantle. (See "Scientists to Drill Earth's Mantle, Retrieve First Sample?")

Antarctic Mountains Put in "Deep Freeze"

Later, when the giant rift formed—as also occurred in East Africa's famous Rift Valley—the heat from Earth's interior warmed the material in the long dormant root, causing this material to expand and float higher in the mantle. (Learn more about the inside of the Earth.)

As a result, the mountains began to uplift again about a hundred million years ago, when the Indian continent broke off from Antarctica and started its northward migration to its present location.

Then, about 34 million years ago, the Antarctic ice sheet began forming.

"The whole [mountain range] was encased in ice and literally preserved in the deep freeze," Ferraccioli said.

"Otherwise they would have been eroded, and we wouldn't have seen much at all."

[allynh]

As always, ignore the comments about "subduction". Notice, that they are talking about the displacement "50 meters laterally and 16 meters vertically" toward the trench. They do not mention the movement of Japan away from Korea, or Japan moving toward the US. It is only in relation to one side of Japan toward the trench.

Fukushima Earthquake Moved Seafloor Half a Football Field
http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic ... s-seafloor

Fukushima Earthquake Moved Seafloor Half a Football Field

The March 2011 Tohoku-Oki earthquake that decimated Japan and its Fukushima nuclear reactors with a monster tsunami altered the seafloor off the country’s eastern coast much more than scientists had thought. Analysis released today in the journal Science indicates the ocean bed moved as much as 50 meters laterally and 16 meters vertically. The magnitude 9.0 quake occurred close to the nearby Japan Trench that runs north to south in the Pacific Ocean (dark blue line on the map below).

The trench exists because the oceanic Pacific Plate (dark blue on map below) is moving westward, hitting and bending down under the continental Okhotsk Plate (light blue) from which Japan rises (green, brown). This “subduction” action creates tension within the tectonic plates, which is occasionally released in the form of earthquakes.

Although measurements from satellites and seismic ground sensors had indicated the Okhotsk Plate moved after the 9.0 temblor on March 11, the extent of the movement was not clear. Researchers at the Japan Agency for Marine-Earth Science and Technology compared new seafloor maps made of the region this year with maps made in 1999 and were surprised by the extent of motion. For example, data along one transect (yellow marker, below) near the quake’s epicenter (black “x” on the map) indicated that the Okhotsk plate moved 50 meters east-southeast toward the trench.

Comparison of depth data showed that the earthquake itself lifted the Okhotsk plate 10 meters where the plate dives deep toward the trench (yellow to purple color, at center, below). The plate’s lateral shift also caused it to tip up another four to six meters there. “We think that the additional uplift contributed to the generation of the pulsating pattern of tsunami waves,” Toshiya Fujiwara, one of the lead researchers, wrote in an email.

So if the Okhotsk plate shifted 50 meters at the trench, what happened at Japan’s eastern shore? According to Fujiwara, data from various Japanese agencies and universities shows that the seafloor at the Tohoku shore moved 5 meters seaward. Offshore, the plate shifted from 15 to 31 meters in the same east-southeast direction, and close to the trench it moved 50 meters. The gradually increasing displacement suggests that the plate was actually stretched from the shore toward the trench, changing local stress patterns along the way. The many large aftershocks that occurred (red circles, below; yellow is the quake epicenter) are evidence of the stretching, Fujiwara noted.

[remelic]

Is it possible that Earth may have been electrically expanded several times in its past? I would assume that Earth is probably the only planet undergoing an active expansion process, as it is the only one with distinct "plates" or continents. Also it is likely that the Earth was "ignited" at some point in its past to start this expansion from a solid state object. All surface geography and geology is the result of electrical scaring, carving, and transmutation during the ignition process and/or the instant electrical shock expansion. All that is needed is a huge discharge event between two massive objects having the Earth caught in the middle of it all.

Cheers.

[Aardwolf]

As always, ignore the comments about "subduction". Notice, that they are talking about the displacement "50 meters laterally and 16 meters vertically" toward the trench. They do not mention the movement of Japan away from Korea, or Japan moving toward the US. It is only in relation to one side of Japan toward the trench.

They are confusing themselves with referece to moving, subduction etc. but as they are stuck within the contraints of their beloved model they have no choice. However, the narrative gives all the information you need for proof of expansion.

The gradually increasing displacement suggests that the plate was actually stretched from the shore toward the trench...

So as the plate has "stretched", by definition the area it covers must have expanded. There's no mention of seabed contracting, shrinking, subducting or dissapearing at all anywhere else when they mapped the area. There never is because while we continually observe and measure increasing rifts, stretching plates, etc, that mythical subduction beast hasn't been observed or measured anywhere, only inferred.

[allynh]

Oh, this is too fun not to post. This is an example of how little it takes to move material. When you watch the videos, remember that the Earth is a hollow shell that rings and shakes constantly. As pointed out up thread, every grind of crust generates vast amounts of electricity that proceeds to cause underground lightning(earthquakes), and transmute material in the growing crust.

http://forgetomori.com/2011/science/col ... megaliths/

Extraordinary claims. Ordinary investigations.

Sound Plate
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... z53w_k_j_A

Please turn down the volume, and appreciate Japanese artist Kenichi Kanazawa making colored sand dance in beautiful geometric patterns. Magic? Perhaps, but not supernatural.

This is version of what is better known as Chladni plates, as the table top is made of a plate of steel which vibrates when he rubs the rubber balls on its border, an effect similar to rubbing a crystal glass with wet fingers. The vibrating top then makes the sand jump and accumulate in nodal patterns.

Which is a perfect opportunity to present another non-quite-magical, but quite amazing phenomenon: Tibetan singing bowls, dating more than 4,000 years ago, which make water boil almost instantly!

Tibetan singing bowl filled with liquid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... DrXGLetZF8

Except that they are not actually boiling water, you wouldn’t be able to cook noodles with it. In a way somewhat similar to Chladni plates, and as Nature News Blog explains, what the bowl is doing is making waves in water which at a critical frequency separates and forms little droplets which can jump and even bounce over the rest of the water, making it look like it’s boiling. Check out above and below some wicked videos courtesy of Denis Terwagne and John Bush:

The phenomenon is non-linear and, thanks to LOST, has a very cool sounding name, Faraday instability, due to Michael Faraday himself, a scientific legend.

And speaking of legend, vibration and Buddhist monks, we come to the last link: acoustic levitation of stones, in the legend of monastery construction, Tibetan style.

Tibetan Monks levitate stones by using an acoustic levitation technique with the aid of drums in this 1939 sketch by Swedish aircraft designer Henry Kjellson. Click the sketch for the full fascinating story.

Acoustic levitation is real, and the grains of sand jumping as well as the droplets of water bouncing are a related phenomenon. And given that Buddhist monks had singing bowls which mastered this resonance, could they have levitated giant boulders with drums?

Unfortunately, we know for a fact they didn’t. You see, there’s a limit in the amount of energy a sound wave can carry, beyond which the sound just turns into a shock wave and the more energy you put into it, it simply turns into heat.

Interestingly, you can make shock waves so powerful that could actually make water boil, unlike the singing bowls, for instance, near a hypersonic jet, though that would be a very inconvenient way to cook noodles. But it’s impossible for thin air in resonating sound to make something like a heavy boulder levitate – granted, a very powerful shock wave could move large rocks, but that’s not something you would get with drums. That’s something you would get with explosives, and this is something we already do.

Well, I hope you’ve seen enough real wonders to allow for one adorable legend to remain just a very nice tall tale!

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Notice that each frequency creates different patterns.

Sound Plate
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... z53w_k_j_A

Tibetan singing bowl filled with liquid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... DrXGLetZF8

[allynh]

Sigh. Here they go again telling us what is going on inside the Earth when we have never actually drilled down that far. HA!

A New Kind Of Metal In The Deep Earth
http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/11 ... index.html

A New Kind Of Metal In The Deep Earth

The crushing pressures and intense temperatures in Earth’s deep interior squeeze atoms and electrons so closely together that they interact very differently. With depth materials change. New experiments and supercomputer computations discovered that iron oxide undergoes a new kind of transition under deep Earth conditions. Iron oxide, FeO, is a component of the second most abundant mineral at Earth’s lower mantle, ferropericlase. The finding, published in an upcoming issue of Physical Review Letters, could alter our understanding of deep Earth dynamics and the behavior of the protective magnetic field, which shields our planet from harmful cosmic rays.

Ferropericlase contains both magnesium and iron oxide. To imitate the extreme conditions in the lab, the team including coauthor Ronald Cohen of Carnegie’s Geophysical Laboratory, studied the electrical conductivity of iron oxide to pressures and temperatures up to 1.4 million times atmospheric pressure and 4000°F—on par with conditions at the core-mantle boundary. They also used a new computational method that uses only fundamental physics to model the complex many-body interactions among electrons. The theory and experiments both predict a new kind of metallization in FeO.

Compounds typically undergo structural, chemical, electronic, and other changes under these extremes. Contrary to previous thought, the iron oxide went from an insulating (non-electrical conducting) state to become a highly conducting metal at 690,000 atmospheres and 3000°F, but without a change to its structure. Previous studies had assumed that metallization in FeO was associated with a change in its crystal structure. This result means that iron oxide can be both an insulator and a metal depending on temperature and pressure conditions.

“At high temperatures, the atoms in iron oxide crystals are arranged with the same structure as common table salt, NaCl,” explained Cohen. “Just like table salt, FeO at ambient conditions is a good insulator—it does not conduct electricity. Older measurements showed metallization in FeO at high pressures and temperatures, but it was thought that a new crystal structure formed. Our new results show, instead, that FeO metallizes without any change in structure and that combined temperature and pressure are required. Furthermore, our theory shows that the way the electrons behave to make it metallic is different from other materials that become metallic.”

“The results imply that iron oxide is conducting in the whole range of its stability in Earth’s lower mantle.” Cohen continues, “The metallic phase will enhance the electromagnetic interaction between the liquid core and lower mantle. This has implications for Earth’s magnetic field, which is generated in the outer core. It will change the way the magnetic field is propagated to Earth’s surface, because it provides magnetomechanical coupling between the Earth’s mantle and core.”

“The fact that one mineral has properties that differ so completely—depending on its composition and where it is within the Earth—is a major discovery,” concluded Geophysical Laboratory director Russell Hemley.

Image credit: NASA/JPL-Université Paris Diderot – Institut de Physique du Globe de Paris

[sjw40364]

I have no problem with an expanding Earth for one reason. If you think about it the deeper you go the less gravity you will have and since the Earth is spinning the exact center is actually gravity free and gravity pulls outwards, not inwards. The only way the center could be more dense would be if the initial ball forming the earth was small to begin with and slowly built up over time, or the center of stars and planets, or more properly their barycenter's could possibly be where Z-pinches are still active. Just a thought.

[ranmacar]

Hello!
Nice to see this talked about. I am trying to piece this together for quite some time now, and the best thing is probably to ask

My current take on this:
1) The planets grow. Neal Adams has put this quite clearly, and the evidence is quite compelling.
2) The growth is 2 fold - a slow, steady accumulation of matter from the electric flow, and massive growth spurts from major current spikes. Planetary electric scars should be then accompanied by tearing of the upper crusts, while the slowly opening ridges don't need them to be present.
3) It grows as a seed. The matter forming process keeps creating the same kind of matter over time. Earth is mostly iron, oxygen, silicon and magnesium.
4) The growth is from inside. New matter, mainly helium is created near the centre, and as it pushes to the surface, it reacts with the oxygen rich mass of the earth. Out comes mineralized (mostly salt) water. Heavier elements are also created, but stay mostly on the inside, except for major eruptions. This should be true on all planets.
5) Gravity increases over time, with mass. T-Rex could run.
6) The mountains are due to buckling of the upper crust and erosion. I saw an experiment (in a german Arte show about the expanding Earth) where mountain like structures are created in a jar of sand, in the presence of a weak electric current. So a uniform crust should also develop mountain like structures, as a current is always present. These are pushed upwards by buckling and exposed by erosion.
7) Major electric events should be also followed by massive water buildup, as new water is rushed to the surface. Geysers and water vapor fill the atmosphere, and massive rain and floods erode the mountains.
8) The Saturn system is intriguing, and should be traceable in the geologic records. Especially if it really happened that recently

What do you think? New insight? Mad ideas? Hopefully this gets into Planetary science soon enough
Thanks

[ranmacar]

4) The growth is from inside. New matter, mainly helium

.. hydrogen .. it was getting late

[allynh]

Hi, ranmacar. The thread started in the Planetary area but sadly was downgraded. No problem, the NIaMI area lets us GET a little more whacky than usual. Start at the beginning of the thread and work your way through. You will be Shocked! and Amazed! that there are tons of links and discussions. HA!

[ranmacar]

Thanks allynh, I flipped through most of it in my time. Amazed I was, shocked only by the ignorance should this be true.
What I look for is a common ground, a core, that could find its way back to planetary maybe. Nothing interesting ever happens in the mainstream, but they deserve an update once in a while..

[moonkoon]

Additional support for the hypothesis that this planet at least has expanded can be found in Persian mythology where there is mention of the earth swelling in the time of Yima (Jamshid) of Golden Age fame. The story relates how he initiates three separate expansion phases over 1500 years in order to accommodate a growing population. The period of expansion and its associated Eden-like world is followed by a ice/dark age when people had to live underground for a time.

... Yima rules as king for three hundred years, and soon the earth was full of men, flocks of birds and herds of animals. He deprived the daevas, who were demonic servants of the evil Ahriman, of wealth, herds and reputation during his reign. Good men, however, lived lives of plenty, and were neither sick nor aged. Father and son walked together, each appearing no older than fifteen. Ahura Mazda visits him once more, warning him of this overpopulation. Yima, shining with light, faced southwards and pressed the golden seal against the earth and boring into it with the poniard, says "O Spenta Armaiti, kindly open asunder and stretch thyself afar, to bear flocks and herds and men."

The earth swells and Yima rules for another six hundred years before the same problem occurred once more. Once again he pressed the seal and dagger to the earth and asked the ground to swell up to bear more men and beasts, and the earth swells again. Nine hundred years later, the earth was full again. The same solution is employed, the earth swelling again. ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamshid

The story suggests that,
- at least some of the expansion is comparatively recent
- expansion occurs in fits and starts
- during the last expansion/tectonic phase, conditions on earth were substantially different to today's world
- at present the earth is experiencing a relatively quiescent period, expansion wise
- if you want something you should ask politely.

[allynh]

Oh, the Persian link is so fun.

I haven't been able to find the quote, but the local Tewa Indians have the four sacred mountains at the cardinal points. The mountains are sacred because they remember watching them pop out of the ground when Thunderbird came walking.

Fire in the Mind: Science, Faith, and the Search for Order - George Johnson
http://www.amazon.com/Fire-Mind-Science ... ref=sr_1_1

Search within the book for the phrase "sacred mountain" and read the entry on page 12. Northern New Mexico is the center of creation. HA!

[ranmacar]

Thanks, I thought I asked politely, will try harder

The link is fun indeed - either the persians are 200 million years old, or the earth grew a bit faster than the rainbow map suggests - or the "swelling" and the growth of the oceans are unrelated (a sad possibility, witnessing a major growth event must have been worth it. Maybe in 2012..

What i would like, is go and visit my local university, ask around the departments. So I am preparing, looking for the more "hard science" stuff. Very nice ideas float around here, but are hard to talk about with the mainstream scientists.. which i was about to become myself.
The way I see it, the growing Earth is the elephant in the room - undeniable, and is pointing toward a major flaw in cosmology, physics. The mythology and ancient cultures are perks, fun. Love them, but they ain't gonna help with a geology major, though I'll definately try

Going through the posts once more for it.. it's exhausting! In a good way.. I think