Socio-Political Dialectic of the Electric Universe

Beyond the boundaries of established science an avalanche of exotic ideas compete for our attention. Experts tell us that these ideas should not be permitted to take up the time of working scientists, and for the most part they are surely correct. But what about the gems in the rubble pile? By what ground-rules might we bring extraordinary new possibilities to light?

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Re: Socio-Political Dialectic of the Electric Universe

Post by Grey Cloud » Wed Aug 27, 2008 1:53 pm

For Mague and StevenO,
Pick the bones out of this one, gentlemen:
We start with the archetypal, the world as an idea, a thought, a mathematical conception such as space, which contains all things. To this idea we add a creative impulse, and the world is endowed with a will to unfold itself and we enter the sphere of time, of thought in extension. From this unfolding emerges form - geometricity, or a multiplication of spaces, shadows of things to be. So far there is no materiality; only mathematics, numbers, and letters; symbols, of shapes which are still dreaming. Lastly, in these forms movement is born and they become what we call substantial; then only do we enter the physical world of action - of materialized thought.
Movement presupposes a working outwards from a centre, or a working inwards from a
circumference, a breathing in and out. In both there is a starting-point and a beyond the starting-point a duality which presupposes a choice between at least two directions, the value of each differing according to the circumstances which surround each at any given time. Consequently in the intellectual sphere there must always be a right and a wrong path of action; in the moral sphere a good and a bad path; and in the physical sphere one which gains or loses, assists or resists.
Page 36. THE SECRET WISDOM OF THE QABALAH. A Study in Jewish Mystical Thought.
By J. F. C. FULLER
:lol:
If I have the least bit of knowledge
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The great Way is simple
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Re: Socio-Political Dialectic of the Electric Universe

Post by Grey Cloud » Wed Aug 27, 2008 2:04 pm

arc-us wrote:
This is my preferred translation of the Tao Te Ching (Stephen Mitchell's) - http://acc6.its.brooklyn.cuny.edu/~phal ... te-v3.html. I have it on CD, spoken by him. Quite nicely done, imo of course. Plus I liked the way he explained how it (the translation) was accomplished. fwiw.[/quote]
I could live with this translation. For an academic he actually seems to understand where Lao Tzu is coming from, rather than where he thinks Lao Tzu should be going.
I have the Marshall translation on my desktop so I can dip in whenever I feel the urge (which is often).
What is 'fwiw'?
If I have the least bit of knowledge
I will follow the great Way alone
and fear nothing but being sidetracked.
The great Way is simple
but people delight in complexity.
Tao Te Ching, 53.

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Re: Socio-Political Dialectic of the Electric Universe

Post by Grey Cloud » Wed Aug 27, 2008 2:11 pm

If I have the least bit of knowledge
I will follow the great Way alone
and fear nothing but being sidetracked.
The great Way is simple
but people delight in complexity.
Tao Te Ching, 53.

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Re: Socio-Political Dialectic of the Electric Universe

Post by StevenO » Wed Aug 27, 2008 3:04 pm

Grey Cloud wrote:For Mague and StevenO,
Pick the bones out of this one, gentlemen:
THE SECRET WISDOM OF THE QABALAH. A Study in Jewish Mystical Thought.
By J. F. C. FULLER
:lol:
I just realized that I ripened enough to be allowed to study this. Can't be a coincidence. God is a mere thought.

Great intro to a theory about a universe of harmonic motions too. I think at least six layers of harmonics are needed before anything can materialize and remain so.
First, God decided he was lonely. Then it got out of hand. Now we have this mess called life...
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Re: Socio-Political Dialectic of the Electric Universe

Post by Grey Cloud » Wed Aug 27, 2008 3:17 pm

StevenO wrote:
Grey Cloud wrote:For Mague and StevenO,
Pick the bones out of this one, gentlemen:
THE SECRET WISDOM OF THE QABALAH. A Study in Jewish Mystical Thought.
By J. F. C. FULLER
:lol:
I just realized that I ripened enough to be allowed to study this. Can't be a coincidence. God is a mere thought.

Great intro to a theory about a universe of harmonic motions too. I think at least six layers of harmonicsare needed before anything can materialize and remain so.
But what is thinking 'god'?
Six days of Creation?
If I have the least bit of knowledge
I will follow the great Way alone
and fear nothing but being sidetracked.
The great Way is simple
but people delight in complexity.
Tao Te Ching, 53.

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Re: Socio-Political Dialectic of the Electric Universe

Post by StevenO » Wed Aug 27, 2008 3:42 pm

Grey Cloud wrote:But what is thinking 'god'?
Six days of Creation?
I think we can't find God in our universe, we will first have to find out what lies outside our universe and that might take another few million years.

I wanted to mention three first as that is the number of our current world, but it is more like three double layers.
To create a stable universe we need both spherical and anti-spherical (hyperbolic) geometry which together give our apparent region of cubical geometry in the midst of it. Looking at the edges of the universe or atoms we glimpse at this, humanity just did'nt put it all together yet. Three creates a stable stucture, but it is 3 x 2, only then function starts.
That is why seven is the 'maiden and untouched' number.
First, God decided he was lonely. Then it got out of hand. Now we have this mess called life...
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Re: Socio-Political Dialectic of the Electric Universe

Post by Grey Cloud » Wed Aug 27, 2008 4:00 pm

StevenO wrote:
Grey Cloud wrote:But what is thinking 'god'?
Six days of Creation?
I think we can't find God in our universe, we will first have to find out what lies outside our universe and that might take another few million years.

I wanted to mention three first as that is the number of our current world, but it is more like three double layers.
To create a stable universe we need both spherical and anti-spherical (hyperbolic) geometry which together give our apparent region of cubical geometry in the midst of it. Looking at the edges of the universe or atoms we glimpse at this, humanity just did'nt put it all together yet. Three creates a stable stucture, but it is 3 x 2, only then function starts.
That is why seven is the 'maiden and untouched' number.
I'm glad I don't live in your universe, it sounds far too complicated. I'll stay here in mine, its much simpler, it's just a thought.
That is why seven is the 'maiden and untouched' number
Explain yourself, sir.
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and fear nothing but being sidetracked.
The great Way is simple
but people delight in complexity.
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Re: Socio-Political Dialectic of the Electric Universe

Post by lizzie » Wed Aug 27, 2008 5:22 pm

Gray Cloud

A couple of links for you so you will see why I am interested in the "New Age Movement." :D

COINTELPRO and Ascension
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ascen ... ion_6b.htm

Cointelpro and the New Age Movement
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-blo ... 8038/posts

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Re: Socio-Political Dialectic of the Electric Universe

Post by Grey Cloud » Wed Aug 27, 2008 7:24 pm

lizzie wrote:Gray Cloud

A couple of links for you so you will see why I am interested in the "New Age Movement." :D

COINTELPRO and Ascension
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ascen ... ion_6b.htm

Cointelpro and the New Age Movement
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-blo ... 8038/posts
I've read all the conspiracy crap. Sites like these can't even get their facts right. Check out Edward Bernays. And Julius Caesar had worked it out long before him. There is nothing new under the Sun.
Even if there is this global conspiracy, do you think that it can stop the Universe doing what it is doing and is going to do?
Most New Age and modern gurus etc are just capitalists. They just want to sell their product. That's one of the reasons I stick with the ancients. Plato et al didn't write to shift product. New Age stuff is in any case, just a rehashing of the ancient. The ancient writers also didn't tell you what to think, only to think.
I watched the new Batman movie the other night and the Joker made some excellent and penetrating observations about things. Whoever wrote those lines was very clever. The Joker was the only thing that made the movie worth watching.
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I will follow the great Way alone
and fear nothing but being sidetracked.
The great Way is simple
but people delight in complexity.
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Re: Socio-Political Dialectic of the Electric Universe

Post by lizzie » Wed Aug 27, 2008 7:59 pm

Divinity said:

http://www.divinecosmos.com/index.php?o ... &Itemid=36
THE SCIENCE OF ONENESS, CHAPTER 02: THE AETHER IS PURE, CONSCIOUS ONENESS

That movement is a vibration; therefore, all elements of this Unified Field could be seen as existing fundamentally as vibrational motion.
The understanding of sensation will also pave the way for understanding self-perception. We recognize the capacity for sensation in living organisms by their response to stimuli. This response is inseparably connected with an EMOTION; in other words, with the motion of protoplasm. We know that an organism has perceived the stimulus when it responds with movement.

The accomplishment of orgone biophysics was that it succeeded in functionally equating pleasure with biological expansion and unpleasure (or anxiety) with biological contraction - Wilhelm Reich - Ether, God and Devil - Cosmic Superimposition

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Re: Socio-Political Dialectic of the Electric Universe

Post by mague » Thu Aug 28, 2008 12:10 am

Grey Cloud wrote:For Mague and StevenO,
Pick the bones out of this one, gentlemen:
Consequently in the intellectual sphere there must always be a right and a wrong path of action; in the moral sphere a good and a bad path; and in the physical sphere one which gains or loses, assists or resists.
:lol:
He missed the indifference between assist and resist.

When i awakened in 1985 i looked into the mirror and i couldnt stand what i saw. I was always a nice guy, but the "socio-magnets" deformed me quite a bit over the years. While everyone was moving forward to QM, 4th dimension, neo-esoterik and what else, i was moving back to start. I wanted to reconect to my birth and give it a 2nd try. On that way i have met my inner caveman. He is an interesting guy...

The caveman has two needs. Having a sufficient amount of food and a dry and cosy place to sleep. As a hunter his basic math is the risc vs. reward calculation of an animal. If the risc is to high to attack an animal he rather decides to eat vegetables or a smaller animal or nothing.
Out of this everything additional to food and a dry place to sleep is luxury that has a price. Its the same risc. vs. reward calculation.
His life was great. No intellectual concepts, no doubts no headaches. He either acted by instinct when hunting or he dreamed when not hunting.
He watched animals and plants and talked with them. They all had a great time. Their oneness was to be inhabitants of the planet earth. There have been only two rules. Take only what you need. Kill only to eat or not to get eaten. Period. All earth beings agreed on those two rules and they all had a great time. The hirarchy was a natural one. The human knewed not to mess with sawtooth tigers and to avoid some of the last remaining dinosaurs. They where in a natural way supreme. No intellectual concepts, no doubts no headaches.

At one point in history the solar system approached a gate, a vortex. Nothing special. The solar system approaches, passes and leaves the vortex. The only funny effect that happens is, that in the center of the vortex the distance to the 4th dimension is very narrow.

The caveman was sitting on meadow, having some nuts with honey and enjoying the sunshine when suddenly he had a vision. He looked around to see who it is. Visions had been the way how animals, plants and humans talked with each other. But when he turned around he saw a glittering geometrical shape that was morphing constantly.
He was used to comunicate by vision and wasnt afraid. So they talked with each other. The thing said it was an inhabitant of the 4th dimension and that earth was passing their domain and that he thought this would be a nice opportunity to visit the 3D earth. They had some smaltalk for a while when the 4D being told the caveman that it had no concept of time and wanted to share 4D visions with the caveman.
Being a hunter the caveman used his risc vs. reward calculation and asked for the price. The 4D being said that it wanted the human to share his memories with the being. "Why ?" asked the caveman. "Because we have no concept of time" answered the 4D being and added "We have no novelty. We do know everything form the start to the end. We have no suprises, we dont know how it is to explore a partner we love. Because we know everything allready. In your human terms our life is boring. Thats why we love your memories just as you love the nuts and honey".

"I see... " said the caveman.

Many cavemans talked to those beings back then. And every human made up his own decission. Today, a few millennia later, the planet earth is a waste dump full of bloated egos, intellectual concepts, religious concepts, doubts and headaches. All ancient deals with the animals and plants are broken. Guys, it was just a deal for sweats...you are no godkings. All you have is a 4D vision hangover.

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Re: Socio-Political Dialectic of the Electric Universe

Post by bboyer » Thu Aug 28, 2008 4:43 am

Grey Cloud wrote: ....
What is 'fwiw'?
Sorry. fwiw = for what it's worth
There is something beyond our mind which abides in silence within our mind. It is the supreme mystery beyond thought. Let one's mind and one's subtle body rest upon that and not rest on anything else. [---][/---] Maitri Upanishad

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Re: Socio-Political Dialectic of the Electric Universe

Post by lizzie » Thu Aug 28, 2008 5:11 am

Mague said: I was always a nice guy
I am sure you are still a nice guy; perhaps now you are more interesting as well. :D

There is something about your "stories" that reminds me of the ones told by the tribal elders to their children. It's the simplicity I suppose. They are like fables. All children love fables. They seem to know intuitively that they are learning some "timeless wisdom"; but it's so much fun to learn these "lessons" through fables where they can communicate with all the magical plants and animals. I still remember many of Aesop's Fables. I don't remember any "Sunday school" lessons. Somehow the "morals" imparted by the animals make far more sense than the "morals" your parents are trying to teach you :D
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Re: Socio-Political Dialectic of the Electric Universe

Post by Grey Cloud » Thu Aug 28, 2008 5:15 am

Mague,
An interesting story but one I cannot subscribe to. I don't do the 'good old days', nor Darwinian evolution. And as for fourtth diminsions, well I don't think that there are any dimensions in Reality.
You wrote:
His life was great. No intellectual concepts, no doubts no headaches. He either acted by instinct when hunting or he dreamed when not hunting.
No intellectual concepts? A safe place to sleep and hunting weapons are intellectual concepts as are risk and reward. What did he dream about and where did the dreams come from? In fact, if his life is so simple and complete, why did he dream?

Why did he have to kill to eat, why did he not live like modern Jains and eat only what Nature provided?
We do know everything form the start to the end. We have no suprises, we dont know how it is to explore a partner we love.
How could they know everything yet not know how to explore a partner we love. How does the caveman know how to love? And if the alien knows everything he will know what the caveman is going to tell him.
And every human made up his own decission
Making decisions requires intellectual concepts.
Today, a few millennia later, the planet earth is a waste dump full of bloated egos, intellectual concepts, religious concepts, doubts and headaches. All ancient deals with the animals and plants are broken.
How do you know that this is not the way the Earth planned it?
Guys, it was just a deal for sweats...you are no godkings. All you have is a 4D vision hangover.
Can one get a hangover from the 4th dimension? Such pessimism my friend. Think big. Why? Because you can. If you don't like what you see in the mirror, get a new one. Read some Nietzsche and fly with the eagles. :P
If I have the least bit of knowledge
I will follow the great Way alone
and fear nothing but being sidetracked.
The great Way is simple
but people delight in complexity.
Tao Te Ching, 53.

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Re: Socio-Political Dialectic of the Electric Universe

Post by mague » Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:59 am

Grey Cloud wrote:Mague,
An interesting story but one I cannot subscribe to.
I dont look for subscribers. I am doing what i am.

In fact, if his life is so simple and complete, why did he dream?
He dreamed withing the whole 3D space. From inside an ant-hill to maybe an orbital flight around the moon. We have no borders within 3D imagination.
How do you know that this is not the way the Earth planned it?
To meassure something you need a relation, a baseline. I am a homo erectus (in a non-scientific meaning), member of the mammals. Inhabitant of the 3rd planet around the sun. If i use that as baseline i do see billards of drug addicts in denial; comiting every crime possible to supply them with drugs and to keep up their illusion. The addiction is not the usage of drugs, its the urge to keep up the illusion. Only a crack addict could treat his mother nature like that. Can you imagine what the EM waves of an atomic test explosion do to earth ? Do people realize that we live in an electromagnetic winter ? The atmosphere is to 80% or more clouded by EM waves. Caused by drug addicts in denial and symptoms of paranoia. The next evolution step will be humans who have forgot how to eat.

Now,dont think the 4D beings are evil drug dealers. The offer experience for experience. There is nothing wrong with mind-expanding stuff. As long as you remeber that it is just a vision. Even if the visions content is true,it remains a vision. The 4D's even dropped the connection a few times. Offering the memory of a person whos heart was cut out alive was just to sick for them. They arent evil, many of the cavemens are just to stupid.
Guys, it was just a deal for sweats...you are no godkings. All you have is a 4D vision hangover.
Can one get a hangover from the 4th dimension? Such pessimism my friend. Think big. Why? Because you can. If you don't like what you see in the mirror, get a new one. Read some Nietzsche and fly with the eagles. :P
I am not pessimistic. I refreshed my oath with the animals and plants. And sometimes a bird carries my consciousness for a while. I am still on probation. ;) But they never droped their part of the oath and someday i will be a full member of earths population again.
You can get a hangover. Since around 1900 we are getting close to the vortex again. And right now we accellerate quite a bit. Take my advice and buy aspirin stocks :D

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