Socio-Political Dialectic of the Electric Universe

[mague]

Mague wrote:

Everything, even pairs, exists in pairs, but we see always just one. Why ?

Because ultimately everything is one?
Because One is ultimately everything?

Try to look at it like a caveman who is going to paint a picture on his cave wall. Replace your inner math with the theory of sets. Think like a human who is part of a family, a clan, a tribe , a race. A hunter and collector who is sorting his environment into cat-like beings, bird-like beings, tree-like beings ( a blade of grass is a tiny tree in that regard). We still do this today. Metal, mineral, gas, animals, humans, white dwarfs, red dwarfs. We build families for everthing. But we dont realize it with 100% consequenz.

Now you paint 1 and 2. To unite them you draw a circle around them. The circle is the unity. But its not a number, its a icon to describe the togetherness of certain groups (see egyp cartouches. They unite multiple signs into one meaning). 1 and 2 in a circle is the basic family. Not to mix up with the number 0.
Our mind wants to unite everything into 1. Maybe to make it conveniant or because we are trained to it over centuries. 1 God, 1 King, 1 master-priest. The most common picture of a satanic ritual is a male priest killing a female. Kill No2, so i can tell everybody that i am the avatar of THE 1 ? Its common that we remove competitors if we want to rule all of it. Conspiracy or defective mind... i dont really care. Causality will clean the mess anyways.

Because everything is ultimately one?

Yes, everything is ultimately one GROUP !
I Ching is the groupname of 64 signs (correct me if i am wrong). Would it change anything if we rename the group from I Ching to Cheeseburger ? The oneness doesnt seem to be relevant in that regard...

[StevenO]

Yes, everything is ultimately one GROUP !

Indeed, finally our Universe is the full implementation of the rotation group.

[mague]

Last example. Universe 1 and universe 2 embrace each other like a Vesica Pisces. The intersecting part is our universe and the circles are universe 1 and universe 2. And all three exist at the same time while we see only the intersection and ponder how it works. Would we care for the parents we would understand better.

That is why the old Greek called the numbers 1 and 2 the "parents" of all other numbers. Together they create the 3 which creates all others.
Indeed, the (3 dimensional) intersecting part can be viewed as a model of a photon which is the basic particle of our universe.

Lets use roman numbers...

There is an infinite empty space. In its center is a lonely I (roman 1). The I can not know anything. Its one-dimensional. It has nothing to reflect in, nothing to resonate with.

I + I = II

by adding a second one (Everything exists in pairs). Suddenly both I's are able to reflect in each other, are able to resonate with each other. Both suddenly shout "Me is and you are like me".

Thats why i say: Two ones are the parents oft the two. And the 2 is the child of two ones. Everything exists in pairs.

[StevenO]

Not quite, Grasshopper,
Yours is emphasising the physical and practical: three usefuls and a usefulness. It misses the part about walls and says that windows and doors make a room, which they don't. It also has a nonsensical last line:
'Therefore benefit comes from what is there; Usefulness from what is not there'.

Mine is emphasising the metaphysical and conceptual: hole, emptiness, space, absence. My last line is: 'Though things may have value, without no-thing they are useless'. It is referring to that which is beyond the sensory and obvious. The silence that allows you to hear sound; the darkness that allows you to see light, etc. That from which the physical emerges.
'no-thing' is that from which 'things' originate.
You can't get something from nothing but you do get every thing from no-thing.

The I Ching is an alchemical text, I haven't checked but I'm guessing that this would be lost in your translation.

Not so fast, Zosimus. The physical and metaphysical are the same concept, so one is not better than the other and one should not force preferences. All 42 translations are hopelessly inadequate. Especially since English does not have the same language concepts and constructs as Eastern languages.

What I especially miss in all translations is the correct transition from the One into our physical world. If authors would know the philosophy, they would not talk about a "Dark Mother", it misses the meaning and correct sequencing of the "void within the void". Everything follows from undoing nothingness, but only if the Tao starts at the One.

[mague]

The way I see it is the two circles are overlayed, one on top of the other, as Uni 1 and Uni 2, both interracting/interplaying continuously (tensegrity again). Both are our parents and yes, Mague, if we saw them as loving/supremely intelligent, we would understand them better and have a richer experience. Together, their union will go on to create Uni 3, but not quite yet as Uni 2 has not finished playing.

Ah.. an open mind. Are you female by any chance ? (Dont have to answer that)

I was pondering if someone would ask "is it born allready ? And if not, when will it happen ? What will this mean to us humans ? Will it be a girl or a boy ? What happens if the boy/girl grows up and mets someone to embrace ?"

My bets are it will be a girl

[StevenO]

Last example. Universe 1 and universe 2 embrace each other like a Vesica Pisces. The intersecting part is our universe and the circles are universe 1 and universe 2. And all three exist at the same time while we see only the intersection and ponder how it works. Would we care for the parents we would understand better.

That is why the old Greek called the numbers 1 and 2 the "parents" of all other numbers. Together they create the 3 which creates all others.
Indeed, the (3 dimensional) intersecting part can be viewed as a model of a photon which is the basic particle of our universe.

Lets use roman numbers...

There is an infinite empty space. In its center is a lonely I (roman 1). The I can not know anything. Its one-dimensional. It has nothing to reflect in, nothing to resonate with.

I + I = II

by adding a second one (Everything exists in pairs). Suddenly both I's are able to reflect in each other, are able to resonate with each other. Both suddenly shout "Me is and you are like me".

Thats why i say: Two ones are the parents oft the two. And the 2 is the child of two ones. Everything exists in pairs.

Hi Mag,

My philosophy is a little different but somewhat similar, it views the birth of our Universe as a progressing harmonic oscillator:

- Before our universe there was the One, a perfect symmetry, which is all white and represents the number 1

- Then came the disturbance of symmetry and the start of the oscillation, which is all black and represents the number 2

- Then we have 0 (mark the shape!), which is the beginning of the concept of Time in our Universe and represents the number 3

- Then we have not 0, which is the beginning of the concept of Space in our Universe

and so on forever Space-Time units are added...and out comes a Universe of harmonic motions either in or out of phase with the basic disruption.

Please note that the basic assumption here is that the One is finite, otherwise we would not exist.

[mague]

Thats why i say: Two ones are the parents oft the two. And the 2 is the child of two ones. Everything exists in pairs.

Hi Mag,


My philosophy is a little different but somewhat similar, it views the birth of our Universe as a progressing harmonic oscillator:

- Before our universe there was the One, a perfect symmetry, which is all white and represents the number 1

- Then came the disturbance of symmetry and the start of the oscillation, which is all black and represents the number 2

- Then we have 0 (mark the shape!), which is the beginning of the concept of Time in our Universe and represents the number 3

- Then we have not 0, which is the beginning of the concept of Space in our Universe

and so on forever Space-Time units are added...and out comes a Universe of harmonic motions either in or out of phase with the basic disruption.

Please note that the basic assumption here is that the One is finite, otherwise we would not exist.

What caused the disturbance of symmetry ? Was it the appraoching partner of the 1 ? Isnt oscillation a resonance between two "things" ? If so we have the same idea.

The first 1 was there, the second 1 approaches, causes disturbance by slowly merging and the 2 as child of 1+1 arises as , how you describe it, black. Is the black the empty new "universe" that starts to fill short after by interaction of the first 1's nature and the second 1's nature into the 2's nature?

[StevenO]

What caused the disturbance of symmetry ? Was it the appraoching partner of the 1 ? Isnt oscillation a resonance between two "things" ? If so we have the same idea.

The first 1 was there, the second 1 approaches, causes disturbance by slowly merging and the 2 as child of 1+1 arises as , how you describe it, black. Is the black the empty new "universe" that starts to fill short after by interaction of the first 1's nature and the second 1's nature into the 2's nature?

That is a good philosophical question. The oscillation is not the same as resonance, the oscillation is the progressing absorption of the disturbance into the One. Resonance is motions that are positive harmonic with that progresssion. In this harmonic oscillator logic, it would'nt matter what caused the disturbance and the exact shape of the disturbance, as long as the One allows harmonic progression and motions, which I argue is true from mathematical and physics observations (geometry, Fourier Series, QM, etc.).

The first one and second one do not have the same shape. I think the shapes might be derived from observation of numbers like Pi, e, alpha, Phi,etc. that are derived from infinite sequences (= differences between the first one and second one). There must be differences, otherwise we would'nt exist. Any observable quantity comes from a disturbance of symmetry.

The white and the black were before the beginning of time. You could also use the terms One and "void", but our Universe starts only when the disturbance travelled all through the Universe of One back to the origin of the disturbance to sequence the second progression. Only then the disturbance is convoluted with itself and the weaving of our Universe starts. Our Universe is in constant motion to restore the symmetry from before the disturbance while in the meantime creating the Cornucopia of our material world.

[mague]

The first one and second one do not have the same shape.

I think we are quite close on the same level there. The problem is only the babylonian curse of language. What you call shape is what i call nature (of the object). Of course there is a male and a female shape/nature for example. Others would name it characteristics.

[StevenO]

The first one and second one do not have the same shape.

I think we are quite close on the same level there. The problem is only the babylonian curse of language. What you call shape is what i call nature (of the object). Of course there is a male and a female shape/nature for example. Others would name it characteristics.

Ah. But it is better to have vaguely correct descriptions with poorly defined words than exact nonsense.

I actually made a drawing that shows this progression. It's entertaining as it has some Mona Lisa effects when seen at the correct size. I'll scan it whenever I get the chance.

[StevenO]

Last example. Universe 1 and universe 2 embrace each other like a Vesica Pisces. The intersecting part is our universe and the circles are universe 1 and universe 2. And all three exist at the same time while we see only the intersection and ponder how it works. Would we care for the parents we would understand better.

It is simpler shown yet, when using compass and other drawing tools.

1. The number one is represented by a circle drawn with the compass.
2. Now draw a Vesica Pisces by putting the center of the compass on the edge of the circle to draw an equal sized circle.
3. A straight line can be drawn between the two centers of the circles. This represents the number two.
4. A equisided triangle can be drawn between the two centers and an intersection of the two circles. This represents the number three.

As shown the numbers two and three show up together when splitting a circle in two.
Now imagine this with two spheres instead of circles, then you have a representation of the emission and absorption of a photon by two material objects.

[mague]

As shown the numbers two and three show up together when splitting a circle in two.
Now imagine this with two spheres instead of circles, then you have a representation of the emission and absorption of a photon by two material objects.

The exercise in real 3D space-time :

Watch how the sun rises in the east.
Dont focus on the sun. Just use her as a marker on the horizon.
She is a marker in time and space. Marks the time of the days start of your position and the direction of east in one go.
Move your focus into your right side. Observe it. Feelings, colors, vibrations, visions
Move your focus into your left side. Observe it. Feelings, colors, vibrations, visions

Compare your observations of the right side space and left side space.
Try to find the line and the point where the right side and the left side interact.

Rinse and repeat as often as possible until you "found" it.

Its easier if you have a partner of the opposite sex. Observe and share with each other.
Female to the left, male to the right. Left and right in dependence to the sun.
Hold hands and together think a line from your hands to the sun to adjust your position
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/\ /\
Observe asynchronous. Female observes the left side, male observes the right side
Switch observation as pair. Male observes left side, female observes right side without changing pysical position.
Play with different positions of the focus. Try synchronous and asynchronous if you do it as pair. For example female observes left, male right. Then slowly, without losing focus, melt together where you hold hands. Do not change in a daily session. One day, one setup.

At the end hug each other to exchaneg any stored information available. Dont ponder to much. Let it grow like a ice flower over time.

[Divinity]

The way I see it is the two circles are overlayed, one on top of the other, as Uni 1 and Uni 2, both interracting/interplaying continuously (tensegrity again). Both are our parents and yes, Mague, if we saw them as loving/supremely intelligent, we would understand them better and have a richer experience. Together, their union will go on to create Uni 3, but not quite yet as Uni 2 has not finished playing.

Ah.. an open mind. Are you female by any chance ? (Dont have to answer that)

I was pondering if someone would ask "is it born allready ? And if not, when will it happen ? What will this mean to us humans ? Will it be a girl or a boy ? What happens if the boy/girl grows up and mets someone to embrace ?"

My bets are it will be a girl

LOL, I love your posts, Mague! Yep, I'm female in this lifetime, I'm afraid On a more serious note, I'd say it will be androgynous in nature but will have the choice to opt for one or the other (as we do now in the physical). As the suppression of the sacred feminine has gotten us to this disasterous stage in 'mankind's' evolution, I'd say a rebalancing is taking place right now, together with the bridging of all other dualities. When that process is completed, we reclaim the plasma-mental-heart-centred superpowers we know are possible and then go on to co-create Universe 3 together, i.e. something entirely new. (This, not detracting from my view that both - in fact all three universes - keep their eternality).
Wow, how exciting is that?!

[bboyer]

Wow, talking about eternal knowledge.
The Greek copied most knowledge from the old Egyptians, BTW. Were'nt they masters of the universe even a few thousand years before the I Ching traditions. Did the Chinese get it from them too?

What does the "forty two" stand for?

It's the chapter number - nothing deep or inscrutable.
Lao Tzu was around at about the same time as the presocratics and the Buddha.
Bart Marshall's translation can be downloaded here:
http://www.searchwithin.org/download.htm

This is my preferred translation of the Tao Te Ching (Stephen Mitchell's) - http://acc6.its.brooklyn.cuny.edu/~phal ... te-v3.html. I have it on CD, spoken by him. Quite nicely done, imo of course. Plus I liked the way he explained how it (the translation) was accomplished. fwiw.

[Divinity]

The Implications of Love in an Electric Universe - sorry to change the subject but this is certainly relevant to the social implications of an EU:

Here’s David Wilcock’s stance on how love (which I believe, glues the universe/s together) affects the physics:

http://www.divinecosmos.com/index.php?o ... &Itemid=36
THE SCIENCE OF ONENESS, CHAPTER 02: THE AETHER IS PURE, CONSCIOUS ONENESS

…And thus, even though love is often seen as merely a nebulous, subjective concept that often gets tied up in ideas of control and sexuality, in the aether models it can very well be defined:

Love is the tendency for entities within the Unified Field, whether human, “particle” or otherwise, to increasingly vibrate towards Harmonic Unity or Oneness.

So, you ask, what does love in the human being have to do with vibrational movement? There are several ways to look at it. In a more physical sense, the feeling of love causes more motion in the nervous system and throughout the body: pupils dilate, heart rate accelerates, skin conductivity changes, perspiration increases, breathing is accelerated and neurological processes flow more quickly, leading to greater inspiration.

Moreover, the feeling of love will bring a human being into greater harmony with the others around it; there is a greater propensity to smile, to be happy, and to be friendly. In a very real sense to many spiritual philosophies, this creates a radiant motion, as when love is radiated to another person, that person also begins to feel it, and is likely to continue radiating it to others.

This radiant motion could be seen to travel through humanity in much the same way that a wave exhibits motion through a given medium, though it may not seem to be a fast-moving wave on the time axis. (At least, that is, until we study the Maharishi effect, which is covered further along in this chapter.)

Indeed, the ETs tell us that at any one time, the total mass of humanity has a strong hand in determining the total vibrational frequency of the earth, whether higher or lower; so “everyone counts.”

We have stated that this motion of Love is a factor in physics, such as at the quantum level, as well as in human beings. Consequently, the aether that forms all objects in the Universe must be in motion. But why must there be motion, you ask? Without motion, there is no Existence.

If ultimately the universe is comprised simply of a Unified Field, then something has to happen within that field to create change – it can’t just “sit there.” In other words, if the field remained static, unmoving and unchanging, then you couldn’t build reality, as on the most fundamental quantum level, energy has to move in order to function.

That movement is a vibration; therefore, all elements of this Unified Field could be seen as existing fundamentally as vibrational motion.

If the nerves in your brain were not capable of vibrating energy through themselves and into the appropriate areas, you would not be able to think or operate your body in any capacity. If blood did not vibrate through your veins by the action of various muscular contractions, you would die.

If electricity is not allowed to vibrate through the circuit boards of your computer, the computer will not function. If the energy in atoms did not move, we couldn’t perceive them and they couldn’t bond with each other to form basic chemical compounds.

So for you, the human being, it is important to see that in a very direct neurochemical sense, every thought and action, however small, is creating a form of vibration in the aetheric energy that surrounds and creates you.

If the electrical interactions in your brain and body were only occurring in the context of “empty space” surrounding you, then you might not expect them to travel outside of the barrier of your skin to the air– but we now know that there is no empty space in the Universe. If all energy is unified as one field, as aetheric energy, then any movement of energy within that field must resonate throughout it – including the movement of consciousness.

Think about it this way. Your body couldn’t function very well if each cell declared itself separate from the body and shut down, refusing to “vibrate” with the rest of the body systems. It is for this simple reason that the world’s spiritual teachers all suggest to us that God has an agenda, seeking to reinforce the loving, unifying thoughts and actions.

How could one part of the body rage against another if the body is to perpetuate itself through cooperation? No one can deny that each one of us wishes to be happy – it is written directly into the Constitution of the United States as one of our most fundamental “rights.” Why should God be any different?

So, if your consciousness is actually creating “ripples” of vibration in this sea of nonphysical aether energy, then the more loving you become, for yourself and for others, the more this causes you to strengthen your vibrational fusion with the energy of Creation. And ultimately, this fusion is a point of no space / no time and all space / all time. Geometrically, it is the Center.

Love is a radiating, strengthening, unifying force, moving towards the central point of Oneness, whereas hate, or the absence of love, is an absorbing, dis-integrating, weakening force, absorbing energy away from the central point of Oneness and compartmentalizing it.

Though many people will probably disagree with such an assessment of the vibrational nature of consciousness, it is certainly something that deserves a fair trial, especially in light of the scientific evidence that we are about to cover.

This importance of “love as vibration” is by far the most fundamental spiritual message that the positive ETs seem to be attempting to impart to humanity through any number of methods, such as the phenomenon of “psychic readings.”

So, although it does indeed bend the mind somewhat to think of Love as an actual tangible energetic movement, there are an ever-increasing number of people who are working on their spiritual growth and healing processes who speak about this “energy” constantly. Even as science is making great strides in many very important ways, we must also respect how many spiritual strides are occurring in our society as well.

More and more of us are becoming cognizant of the bigger pictures that define reality as we know it — and we are not afraid to follow the clues to their new solutions. Science no longer needs to be compartmentalized to the degree that the physicist goes to church and prays to God on Sunday, and then spends the rest of the week in the laboratory trying to disprove its existence.