Let's Do EU Research

[Lloyd]

* Phyllo, do you plan to initiate something with RocketHub? If so, let us know of any suggestions you have for taking advantage of it.
* Would you like to join the NPA, Natural Philosophy Alliance? Some of the EU team members are already members of it. That may be a good place to start organizing a project or a "movement" or something. I've discussed the NPA with the Electric Sun Discussion group, so one or more of that group may also join.
* If you tell me what message you'd like to convey to forum members, I can then have a better idea which ones you should contact about it. You can give me the message privately, if you like.

[sjw40364]

http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpB ... 8&start=15

Thanks!

It just seems to me that as far as I can tell from the time-lapse photo's of 1987A, it is not expanding or shrinking inwards so much as the ring is just experiencing surges. I believe these rings (http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/2012/07 ... c-helix-2/) are the same as these rings (http://www.holoscience.com/wp/electric- ... e=74fgmwne) it's just a matter of current flow and plasma age and density. One can not expect similar shaped rings every time as plasma is highly filamentary. It is anistropic and not isotropic. It is neither a static universe nor an expanding one, it is one without limits in constant motion, all interacting on an EM level. I believe Birkeland Currents stretch from galaxy to galaxy with no end. From star to star within a galaxy. From star to planet and planet to moon. From proton to neutron to electron.

Hence gravities seeming faster than light property, the aether does not need to move, it just polarizes itself to the axis of the electric field. Hence our inability to detect it. It is polarized to the electric field just as is everything else including light.

Perfectly described ideas- the last one I have specifically wondered about as well.... now how could we prove it?

I have no idea how one would go about showing that a polarized field existed that was polarized by the electric field of charges moving in matter. And that polarized connection was what we term the gravitational force, i.e. a dielectric's ability to store and transfer energy with but slight movement through this polarization? Ideas?

I.e., this energy is stored already in the dielectric aether, hence the CMB. When charges move they polarize this field, this field then needs only align axis when another charge moves and creates a secondary polarized field. Until we understand what charge is, I don't know what test could determine this.

[Lloyd]

Prove SJW Theory?

SJW said: Hence gravit[y']s seeming faster than light property, the aether does not need to move, it just polarizes itself to the axis of the electric field. Hence our inability to detect it. It is polarized to the electric field just as is everything else including light.
- I have no idea how one would go about showing that a polarized field existed that was polarized by the electric field of charges moving in matter. And that polarized connection was what we term the gravitational force, i.e. a dielectric's ability to store and transfer energy with but slight movement through this polarization? Ideas?
- I.e., this energy is stored already in the dielectric aether, hence the CMB. When charges move they polarize this field, this field then needs only align axis when another charge moves and creates a secondary polarized field. Until we understand what charge is, I don't know what test could determine this.

* The first step could be to glean info from Kanarev, Santilli, Joseph George and Mathis as follows:
Kanarev: http://thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/v ... =15#p50026
Santilli: http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpB ... 558#p38482
Joseph George: http://thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/v ... =15#p28366
and http://thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/v ... =30#p28472
Mathis: http://milesmathis.com/photon3.pdf and http://milesmathis.com/photon.html and http://milesmathis.com/charge2.html

[sjw40364]

I have a slight problem with charge as it is defined.

http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/3 ... tures.html

So theory says if charge q1 moves from point A to point B in a straight line it requires x amount of energy (or work) to do so and the system reduces overall charge by q1/x. Simplified, but you can look up the math if you want the exact formula in more complex form, I am too lazy to do it for you

Now if this same charge q1 moves 20 times the distance in a circular orbit from point A to point A it requires no energy to do so, because otherwise the math would imply it gained energy out of thin air.

Well duh, we do it every day in generators. But, but, but, you say, we put energy into the system, and yes we do, but then according to the rules of electricity, none of this force is actually used up. Granted transmission lines are not perfect conductors so some of the energy escapes the system, but even so, it remains relatively constant even while working itself along the lines.

So aether to be or not to be, because out of thin air is not allowed. Unless it is in a circle, then somehow that just means it takes no work at all, not that energy is gained somehow. Do not poke too closely there, your theories might shatter. Better to believe no work is magically not being done, than the opposite. Because when the public finds out the worth of the garbage they peddle all to keep a theory standing that has no right to. To keep you paying for something that can be created out of thin air, or accept an aether.

But, there is still one possible out. Electromagnetic induction. An electric current is created when a conductor moves through a magnetic field. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_induction How do you do that "see here" link?

How, out of thin air? It just so happens magnetic fields cause things to circle, but well, as we know it takes no work to move in a circle, so this electric current is gained by these particles how? Fine, let us not look for an aether, let us first discover what makes up an electric and magnetic field. It is kinda a warping and bending of space-time, the brilliant man did get that right, not his fault fanatics followed up and twisted it all in his name.

But you can be sure this space-time is composed of exactly what makes up this electric and magnetic fields, two forces at complete opposites. One is work, the other just allows work to well, work without working as long as it goes in a circle, oh but dang, going in a circle in the magnetic field creates work, but no, that can't be right, but, but, but.....

So is a photon going in a straight line and requiring work to be done? Or is it going in a spiral and requiring no work, or is that it is creating it's own energy out of moving through thin air? Because also according to theory the difference between the dielectric of a complete vacuum (1) and air (.06) is so little it makes no difference. Even though we know space is not a true vacuum. So what is making that huge shift in apparent density basically the same?

[Lloyd]

Magnetic Field
* Steve, have you read Mathis? I believe he said spinning photons are what result in the perpendicular movement in magnetic fields. I guess it's similar to spinning ping-pong balls. When a spinning photon hits another photon, because of it's spin, it will tend to move perpendicular to its original line of motion.
The Charge Field
* He also says electrons and protons take in photons at their poles and emit them in a disk shape at their equators primarily. He says the emission is what charge is. Also, photons have a small mass, so, when they hit other particles they cause repulsion. He says electrons are smaller, so they get hit by fewer photons, so they aren't repelled as much as protons, so the weaker repulsion results in an apparent attraction. I may be misstating things to some extent, but that's my understanding of his ideas, even if imperfect understanding.

[sjw40364]

Yes, but MM conveienently leaves out how all these flying photons were generated in the first place if charge can not be created. These particles again magically shoot out all these photons and remain at the same energy until enough photons enter the particles to compensate for it? Of course we know there are Birkeland Currents transferring power. Yet no theory as to where this power comes from nor how it is created.

Why does theory state that it takes so much work to travel in a straight line, but no work whatsoever to travel in a circular orbit? Yet at the same time particles traveling in a circular orbit in magnetic fields generate electric current. Are not the same photons being emitted and absorbed whether the particle is traveling in a straight line or a circular orbit?

So these photons can not be the source of the electrical current generated by particles traveling through magnetic fields in circular orbits, else they would generate the same electrical currents for particles traveling in straight lines. Photons are by-products of energy generation, excess charge being emitted to maintain system balance.

And according to theory only by traveling in a circular orbit could a photon travel without requiring work, but such circular orbits create electrical currents in magnetic fields. But electrical generation from nothing is again against theory.

I have as yet seen no theory on charge that meets observations AND doesn't conflict with itself on any level.

[sjw40364]

Because I do not believe this is true either.

“Plasma is the fourth state of matter. It differs from solids, liquids and gases in so far as it's atoms are divided into free-floating 'negative' electrons and 'positive' ions (an atom which has lost its electron/s). It is sometimes referred to as an ionized gas.”

It is not the fourth state of matter, it is the first state of matter. Only when particles gain other particles in orbit around them do they become atoms, until then they are already separated. The particles in the plasma have lost nothing, it is when the E/M force begins combining them they become atoms, and moons and planets and stars and galaxies. Before that they are simply separate particles down to the electrons, quarks and whatever makes them up as well. IMO

Galaxies are not separating particles, they are combining them to form the stars and planets. And when they combine enough they eject it as quasars and proto-galaxies. If plasma was matter once then the particles began separating the galaxy would be separating, contrary to observation. The more separated are the particles, the more fundamental is this state.

[Lloyd]

* Steve, you haven't proposed any experiments to test any theories. Do you have any proposals?

Possible EU Experiments
* Redo Birkeland's terella experiment
* See if electric discharges can produce Earth crater features: like central uplifts, concentric rings, tektites, shattercones ...
* See if they can produce geodes, mesas, arches, natural bridges, geysers (as seen on moons and Mars etc), rock strata, dunes, fossils, new species
* See what percent of the solar wind is negative and positive ions and which direction each move
* See what percent of redshift is caused by electrical effects
* See if electric forces can greatly affect radioactive decay rates, or if they can transmute elements

[Lloyd]

* Phyllo mentioned the list of experiments at NPA, so I thought it would be good to give the link here.

http://www.worldsci.org/php/index.php?t ... splay&id=9

* Here's an example from the list that interests me.
http://www.worldsci.org/php/index.php?t ... splay&id=9

World Science Database
View count: 435
Annihilation of Cancer Cells / Annihilation of Viruses / Fungi / Bacteria / Protozoa
by Francis Viren Fernandes

Purpose: Fast, efficient and safe destruction of cancer tissue and micro-organisms by radio-waves. To achieve ablation of cells with a limited budget of a few thousand USD in comparison with millions spent for the same by other researchers.

Outcome: Antibiotics can be phased out. Few side effects. Rapid destruction of every cell in the body that is targeted by the monoclonal antibody. Gamma knife therapy can be phased out.

Type: Experiment
Status: In Progess
Cost: 2000000 (USD)

Start Date: Friday, May 1, 2009 to Sunday, December 30, 2012

Description

Monoclonal antibodies/Small molecular keys tagged with a transition metal ion encapsulated in a nano polymer bind to a target cancer cell or micro-organism. Shine radiowaves on the whole body. Electrons at a particular frequency are emitted from the metal ion and destruct the cell or micro-organism. The frequency disrupts cellular components.

A combination of pair production and photo-electric effect.

Materials:

1. Rats/mice/guinea pigs
2. Radio-wave emitter at varying frequencies.
3. Tumor inducing carcinogens.
4. Monoclonal antibodies
5. Nano-particles tagged to mono-clonal antibodies.
6. Microbial strains

Knowns:

That monoclonal antibodies / small molecular keys will seek and bind to a specific cell.
That radiowaves are nearly harmless to humans.
Every cell type can be destructed at a particular electron frequency of bombardment.
Pair production and photo-electric effect are well documented phenomena.
How a monoclonal antibody can be tagged with a nano particle that can encapsulate a transition metal ion.

UNKNOWN: That in-vivo the cancer cells and micro-organisms will be destroyed or inactivated.

DATE: 1st Nov 2009

I have destroyed Candida albicans in vitro with radio waves - RF and now hope to achieve the same in a mouse.

I have destroyed cancer cells in a tumor that appeared in the neck of a mouse No. 1 with RF. However metastasis killed the mouse. The next stage is to kill the spreading cancer cells and tumors.

DATE: 15th Nov 2009

Trichophyton rubrum has been destroyed in vitro with radio waves.

DATE: 21st Nov 2009

An inexpenensive biocompatible nanoparticle developed for the ablation of cells.

Very inexpensive colloid developed for in vitro diagnostic kits.

A rapid protocol for developing clones by electrofusion.

DATE: 26th Nov 2009

Rabies virus inactivated in vitro by RF but viruses get active again in vivo. Further work ongoing.

DATE: 28th Nov 2009

A topical application of Trichophyton rubrum which led to infection on the skin of guinea pig has been destroyed in vivo with radio waves.

DATE: 9th Dec 2009

I have destroyed cancer cells in a tumor that appeared in the dorsal region of a mouse No. 2 with RF in 9 days. The next stage is to kill the spreading cancer cells and tumors - lock onto a moving target.

DATE: 25th Dec 2009

I have destroyed cancer cells in a tumor that appeared in the breast region of a mouse No. 3 with RF in 7 days. This tumor was induced with a carcinogen.

DATE: 4th Jan 2010

I have destroyed cancer cells in a tumor that appeared in the lateral side of the abdomen of a mouse No. 4 with RF. The tumor size reduced externally by 35% in 10 days of RF treatment. This tumor appeared naturally in the mouse.

In mouse No. 5 two tumors appeared. One on the abdomen and one on the lateral side close to the ribs. The abdomen tumor reduced in size by 65% after 5 days of RF treatment. The lateral side tumor reduced by 80% after 4 days of RF treatment.

DATE: 5th Jan 2010

I have destroyed Stapphylococcus aureus in vitro with radio waves - RF at 37 degrees celsius - body temperature. This is one of the big killer pathogens aquired as nosocomial infection in hospitals.

A Cure for Cancer on the Horizon

Carcinogenesis Foundation, USA in association with Reliance Life Sciences held an International Symposium in Mumbai February 5-7, 2010. Delegates from around the world presented research on health initiatives in the understanding and treatment of cancer. Renowned surgeons talked about the tumors they encounter and patient mortality.

The last oral presentation of the conference by F. V. Fernandes from Biopavilion, Chennai provided stunning evidence of tumor and microbial cell ablation by radio waves. Histopathological images of cancer tissue necrotized by radio frequencies and killing of deadly pathogens in animal models stunned the audience.

Dr. James Trosko, Michigan State University described the Biophysics undulating Fernandes' research as revolutionary. Furthermore he commented - as time goes by, this presentation, will be equal to Darwin's key note address on evolution. In other words, Fernandes has opened up a new way of thinking about light and electrons. This paradigm shift may send relativity and quantum theories packing. The use of light as radio frequencies to treat cancer and infectious diseases will spread around the world like wild fire.

DATE: 10th Feb 2010

I have destroyed Salmonella typhosa in vitro with radio waves - RF at 37 degrees celsius - body temperature. This is one of the big pathogens aquired as swallowed infection of faeces and contaminated food and water.

DATE: 11th Feb 2010

I have destroyed Mycobacterium bovis in vitro with radio waves - RF at 37 degrees celsius - body temperature. This is hopefully going to lead to a cure for TB.

DATE: 15th Feb 2010

RF has disrupted the cell wall of Candida albicans. The implications are huge. Antibiotics may phase out.

DATE: 19th Feb 2010

A novel electrofusion protocol has been developed by me that is fast, efficient and easy to perform. A clone from a spleen of mouse immunized for the deadly viper snake bite has been created. Stability and ability to secrete good levels of anti-toxin is ongoing.

DATE: 5th March 2010

Salmonella typhi is the organism that causes typhoid. An attempt to selectively ablate Salmonella amongst a mixture of Candida, Staph and Strep microbes in vitro is ongoing. One step closer to do away with antibiotics with a 5 minute RF treatment. In vivo experiments begin.

DATE: 5th July 2010

A hybrid clone - protocol developed. Inexpensive, rapid, not labor intensive. First step to producing affordable monoclonal antibodies for therapeutic purpose.

DATE: 6th July 2010

Photobiosensor development underway. If it works, then the cost of diagnosis of infectious diseases can be cut dramatically.

DATE: 6th Aug 2010

Streptococcus pyogenes a pathogen that causes strep throat and in extreme cases indirectly the cause of heart valve collapse has been ablated in guinea pigs by RF. This is a momentous step towards ridding ourselves of antibiotics.

DATE: 2nd Oct - 14 Oct 2010

Traveled with a delegation - India meets Germany. Informed research institutes, universities and delegates that cancer cells are very easily killed by RF action on nano particles. Moving microbes can be ablated with ease.

DATE: 26th Oct 2010

Candida albicans a commensal organism that turns into a pathogen in cases of immuno suppression has been ablated in guinea pig blood - a moving target - by RF. This is a momentous step towards ridding ourselves of C. albicans that is found in mucous membranes and deep tissue and very invasive as a human approaches death.

DATE: 16th Nov 2010

Formulated a nano particle that can ablate a cell that habors a microbe such as a virus or bacteria. Ablated a brain cell in vitro that harbored the rabies virus - as a test model.

DATE: 8th Jan 2011 - ABLATED MACROPHAGES THAT HARBOR THE TB BACILLI IN VITRO. THE NEXT STEP IS TO TRANSLATE THE IN VITRO METHOD TO A HUMAN. A CURE FOR AN ANCIENT SCOURGE IS AT HAND.

[phyllotaxis]

YES!!!


Can you begin to see what we can accomplish?
We should develop ways to help support this research and more.

I imagine that the nanotechnology combined with targeted frequency therapies must be ultimately capable of structurally de-oxidizing or otherwise cleansing our deepest tissues, possibly removing the effects of natural aging. This process is different only in application, not technology, from the above story.
The same work of Lloyd's quoted experiment above can be applied to life extension-- I could imagine figuring out not only the destructive frequencies to certain cells, but the constructive resonances as well-- perhaps to heal wounds, or spur growth.
And as we all know, the technology can be made affordable with scale, like any other machine. ESPECIALLY if the funding and development initiative is a truly voluntary, public exercise.
This is precisely what we propose to do.
Relax your mind a bit, and we could imagine ending up with 'resonance chambers' next to tanning salons that scan for, detect, and/or eliminate a broad index of known pathogens or toxic compounds by tagging them with nano-compounds delivered through food and water supplements, for example. They would be as harmless as any other inert substance in tissue--until activated by targeted resonance--at which point it would oscillate so fast that it rips apart, tearing open the wall (or other component) of the selected hostile cell just enough to cripple it to eventual death. The neighboring cells would barely be touched.

We have an experiment that proves the method- everything else will follow from that.

That's why this thread exists-- to grow the experiment base.

We have the tools now- we can each be a part of this type of work-- and as resonance/harmonics, aether/plasma research, and energy harnessing technology advances, so does the quality of all mankind.
What about the creation of universal power sources? Very possible- (not to mention the examples that have claimed to have long-since made power.) There are so many ideas waiting for application right now.

Keep up the good work!

[phyllotaxis]

Take a look at this!

This site is raising money to buy and renovate the Wardenclyffe site of Tesla's wireless power experiment.
Through another crowd-funding site, indiegogo,
they have as of this moment amassed over a half-million dollars in donations!

If anyone thinks there is insufficient interest in real science to make a difference, this should end that thought forever

There's so much potential here!!!!

Let's keep this at the front of our minds- and consider dropping a few dollars for Tesla, will you?

[sjw40364]

* Steve, you haven't proposed any experiments to test any theories. Do you have any proposals?

Possible EU Experiments
* Redo Birkeland's terella experiment
* See if electric discharges can produce Earth crater features: like central uplifts, concentric rings, tektites, shattercones ...
* See if they can produce geodes, mesas, arches, natural bridges, geysers (as seen on moons and Mars etc), rock strata, dunes, fossils, new species
* See what percent of the solar wind is negative and positive ions and which direction each move
* See what percent of redshift is caused by electrical effects
* See if electric forces can greatly affect radioactive decay rates, or if they can transmute elements

Because the answer to most of them is a definite yes, the others still being researched.
http://www.space.com/15957-moon-sun-sur ... ction.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_T6__JDeyw

As for red-shift I'd bet that by the time they've had a chance to study it say 40%+ for close objects and up to 99% for distant object by the time you add all the intervening dust and plasma.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 2608000089
So much dust and plasma in interstellar space it blocks 70% of edge on galaxies because it's so thick around the galaxies themselves it already blocks 50% of their light.
http://www.space.com/5348-view-universe ... right.html

Lack of evidence is not the problem, it is technology. How do you "SEE", or detect something so much smaller than what makes up a (as Standard Cosmology calls them quarks), when you cant even see the electron? You invent the device I'll model it in 3D, best I can do.

All I know is that it inevitably leads to only four solutions:

1) An aether that transfers charge from polarization which even at vast distances merely requires a slight shift of axis from point A to point B due to a dielectric's ability to store and transfer energy; or

2) An aether where charge transfers across vast distances by particulate movement and constant absorption/re-absorption and there is indeed aberration contrary to observations; or

3) A vacuum where charge transfers across vast distances by particulate movement and there is indeed aberration contrary to observations; or

4) There indeed is action at a distance.

Others?

5) ?

[Shelgeyr]

* Steve, you haven't proposed any experiments to test any theories. Do you have any proposals?

Possible EU Experiments
* Redo Birkeland's terella experiment
* See if electric discharges can produce Earth crater features: like central uplifts, concentric rings, tektites, shattercones ...
* See if they can produce geodes, mesas, arches, natural bridges, geysers (as seen on moons and Mars etc), rock strata, dunes, fossils, new species
* See what percent of the solar wind is negative and positive ions and which direction each move
* See what percent of redshift is caused by electrical effects
* See if electric forces can greatly affect radioactive decay rates, or if they can transmute elements

Lloyd, I am personally interested in performing experiments like these, on a shoe-string budget of course, but I'd appreciate some thoughts along the lines of my primary concern: How do I keep from accidentally irradiating the heck out of myself?

I'm serious. I have no problem adhering to rigorous physical safety procedures, so that nobody gets a lethal discharge for example, but if I am able to one day perform electric cratering experiments, how do you suggest I guard against things like X-rays? Regarding a "discharge table", for lack of a better name, that would hold my "landscape" materials, I have no way of knowing if the thing I'd construct would emit zero X-rays, or would function as God's Own Dental Equipment.

I'll admit to being overly wary along these lines - several years ago I had a power substation blow up right in front of me, at night, and the overwhelming onslaught of UV from the arcing (like momentarily looking at an army of arc welders) left me with slightly burned eyes. No long term damage, but a whonk-load of pain and having to wear very dark sunglasses for several days. So I'm skittish on the subject. Fascinated, yes, but skittish.

Any wisdom to impart here would be greatly appreciated.

[Lloyd]

* Shelgehr, there are others that you might be able to work with. DZ has been doing experiments with CRTs. He just posted a few messages here: http://thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/v ... 551#p69486. He doesn't seem to mess with dangerous stuff. He's in Arizona, I think. CJ Ransom might be in Texas. If you want to contact him, I can try to do it for you. He works in a lab with high-powered equipment.
* Phyllo, maybe we could help DZ out.

[phyllotaxis]

I certainly think we can- both by contacting those with familiarity in conducting this kind of work to lay out the plans, and in providing a forum for communication to bring it all together.

Shelgehr, would you be interested in sticking around while we work out some details with others that can try to assist/advise you in this effort?

We can continue to discuss the details via PM or email if you like- I know this is right in line with the hopes we all have of facilitating some real-world experiments.