Philosophy vs. Physics article on NPR

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Philosophy vs. Physics article on NPR

Post by bdw000 » Thu May 03, 2012 9:18 am

A philosopher or two can strike back at the absurdity of modern cosmology every now and then:

http://www.npr.org/blogs/13.7/2012/05/0 ... ilosophers

It's a short article, here's the best part:
Richard Feynman was famously scornful of the philosophy of science. He thought it was immune to finding relevant results or making real progress. But the problem is that we aren't living in Richard Feynman's age of physics anymore. Something strange happened on the way to the modern intersection of cosmology and foundational physics. Some measure of philosophical sophistication seems helpful, if nothing else, in confronting this new landscape.

Its one thing for physicists exploring carbon nanotubes to say they have no use for philosophy. Their work lives or dies by experimental data that can be collected tomorrow. But over the last few decades, cosmology and foundational physics have become dominated by ideas that that appear to take a page from science fiction and, more importantly, remain firmly untethered to data.

Concepts like hidden dimensions of reality (string theory) or hidden infinite possible parallel universes (the multiverse) are radical revisions of the very concept of reality. Since detailed contact with experimental data might be decades away, theorists have relied mainly on mathematical consistency and "aesthetics" to guide their explorations. In light of these developments, it seems absurd to dismiss philosophy as having nothing to do with their endeavors.
Personally I wouldn't say that the cosmologists don't use "data," but that they make too many assumptions about their data, and in no way ever actually PROVE any of their claims. It's all speculation.

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Re: Philosophy vs. Physics article on NPR

Post by klypp » Thu May 10, 2012 1:45 am

The article is a response to Lawrence Krauss' attack on philosophy. Whenever I read this kind of nonsense this quote from F. Engels comes into my mind:
Natural scientists believe that they free themselves from philosophy by ignoring it or abusing it. They cannot, however, make any headway without thought, and for thought they need thought determinations. But they take these categories unreflectingly from the common consciousness of so-called educated persons, which is dominated by the relics of long obsolete philosophies or from the little bit of philosophy compulsorily listened to at the University (which is not only fragmentary, but also a medley of views of people belonging to the most varied and usually the worst schools), or from uncritical and unsystematic reading of philosophical writings of all kinds. Hence they are no less in bondage philosophy but unfortunately in most cases to the worst philosophy, and those who abuse philosophy most are slaves to precisely the worst vulgarized relics of the worst philosophies.
Those who abuse philosophy most are slaves to precisely the worst vulgarized relics of the worst philosophies.

It's been more than a hundred years. Nothing changed. :roll:

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