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structure of the earths atmosphere

Post by MattEU » Wed May 26, 2010 6:22 am

just wondered if anyone could explain what is happening with the layers, variations in temperature etc in an electric universe?

do they use the results from these temps to make those guesses or predictions for those massive clouds of gas that are so high in temperature (energy?) in space and around our planet?

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earths atmosphere layers


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earths weather and electrical energy exchange system


and here is an image of them combined showing the combination of temperature variation and electrical or lightning activity

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earths atmosphere layers and electrical/lightning circuit

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Earth Atmosphere Collapse Puzzles Scientists

Post by Maddogkull1 » Fri Jul 16, 2010 8:25 am

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38270609/ns ... nce-space/
An upper layer of Earth's atmosphere recently collapsed in an unexpectedly large contraction, the sheer size of which has scientists scratching their heads, NASA announced Thursday.

The layer of gas called the thermosphere is now rebounding again. This type of collapse is not rare, but its magnitude shocked scientists.

"This is the biggest contraction of the thermosphere in at least 43 years," said John Emmert of the Naval Research Lab, lead author of a paper announcing the finding in the June 19 issue of the journal Geophysical Research Letters. "It's a Space Age record."

The collapse occurred during a period of relative solar inactivity called a solar minimum from 2008 to 2009. These minimums are known to cool and contract the thermosphere, however, the recent collapse was two to three times greater than low solar activity could explain.
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Re: Earth Atmosphere Collapse Puzzles Scientists

Post by Grey Cloud » Fri Jul 16, 2010 9:55 am

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Re: Earth Atmosphere Collapse Puzzles Scientists

Post by solrey » Fri Jul 16, 2010 10:26 am

Right on, GC. However, this news might be worthy of it's own thread.

From this physorg article:
According to Emmert and colleagues, low solar EUV accounts for about 30% of the collapse. Extra CO2 accounts for at least another 10%. That leaves as much as 60% unaccounted for.
I think what they're failing to acknowledge is electromagnetic induction from the fluctuating Interplanetary Magnetic Field (a time-varying field) causing inductive heating in the thermosphere, which should be treated as a plasma because with a significant population of free ions and electrons, that's what it is. The Ap index, which measures geomagnetic storms, is a pretty good proxy for IMF activity. The slope of the Ap index matches the slope of the thermosphere density/temp more closely than the other indices of EUV and F10.7 solar flux.

The thermosphere should be viewed as a Inductively coupled plasma.
An inductively coupled plasma (ICP) is a type of plasma source in which the energy is supplied by electrical currents which are produced by electromagnetic induction, that is, by time-varying magnetic fields.
Now, consider the fact that the IMF is a time-varying magnetic field.

Compare the bottom graph of thermosphere density with the graph of the Ap index below it. The top two graphs are EUV and F10.7 flux respectively.

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I don't have time to download and graph all the raw IMF data but I drew an approximate slope for the low points onto the Ap index as a proxy to demonstrate the probable correlation between IMF activity (for which Ap is a proxy) and thermosphere temperature/density.

A stronger IMF with more fluctuations should produce more inductive heating of the thermosphere while a weaker IMF with fewer fluctuations, like this current solar minimum, should produce less inductive heating. That induction mechanism should have a greater influence on thermospheric temps than either solar EUV or x-rays.

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Re: Earth Atmosphere Collapse Puzzles Scientists

Post by solrey » Fri Jul 16, 2010 9:18 pm

Apparently there has been some research conducted into the influence of geomagnetic storms on the temperature of the thermosphere.

Geomagnetic storm heating effects on the low-latitude dayside thermosphere from WINDII observations at equinox
The response of the neutral thermosphere to geomagnetic storms is an important aspect of the study of “space weather”. Yet, this response above the magnetic dip equator has rarely been measured on the dayside because a satellite-borne instrument is required. WINDII, the WIND Imaging Interferometer on board UARS, NASA's Upper Atmosphere Research Satellite, measured emission rates and apparent temperatures to altitudes as high as 270 km using its O(1S) 558 nm green line channel several days each week during 1993. On 2 days close to equinox in 1993 the maximum Kp index exceeded 7, and these days were selected for comparison with surrounding days of lesser magnetic activity.

Evidence for thermospheric heating is seen in the Doppler broadening increase of 100 K, the green line volume emission rate increase of 30–78%, and the emission rate scale height increase of 5 km, all measured at 250 km in comparisons between storm and non-storm conditions.
This graph of the Ap index (a measure of geomagnetic storm activity) illustrates the influence of the time varying Interplanetary Magnetic Field. From 2000 until nearly 2006, the higher frequency and higher degree of the oscillations with the stronger field intensity would induce more heating in the thermosphere while the less frequent lower degree oscillations with the weaker field intensity would induce less heating. The frequency and strength of CME's, as well as "coronal holes" (phase space holes anyone?) would be a contributing factors as well, since they also produce geomagnetic storms.
IMHO, electromagnetic induction is the primary source of thermospheric heating, with less than half of the total energy contribution coming from EUV and x-ray combined.

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Notice the bump in the Ap index since just before the beginning of 2010 and this statement at the end of the physorg article:
Important clues may be found in the way the thermosphere rebounds. Solar minimum is now coming to an end, EUV radiation is on the rise, and the thermosphere is puffing up again. Exactly how the recovery proceeds could unravel the contributions of solar vs. terrestrial sources.
I think the Ap index will drop back down again due to less frequent and lower degree IMF oscillations recently.
And solar minimum is far from over. ;)

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Re: Earth Atmosphere Collapse Puzzles Scientists

Post by ElecGeekMom » Sat Jul 17, 2010 6:19 am

This is most helpful!

I knew their blaming it on CO2 was a lot of hooey!

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Frozen jet stream Rossby waves leads to floodfirefamine

Post by keeha » Tue Aug 10, 2010 11:12 pm

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg2 ... amine.html
[Aug 10, 2010] Raging wildfires in western Russia have reportedly doubled average daily death rates in Moscow. Diluvial rains over northern Pakistan are surging south – the UN reports that 6 million have been affected by the resulting floods.

It now seems that these two apparently disconnected events have a common cause. They are linked to the heatwave that killed more than 60 in Japan, and the end of the warm spell in western Europe. The unusual weather in the US and Canada last month also has a similar cause.

According to meteorologists monitoring the atmosphere above the northern hemisphere, unusual holding patterns in the jet stream are to blame. As a result, weather systems sat still. Temperatures rocketed and rainfall reached extremes...

Stationary patterns in the jet stream are called "blocking events". They are the consequence of strong Rossby waves, which push westward against the flow of the jet stream. They are normally overpowered by the jet stream's eastward flow, but they can match it if they get strong enough. When this happens, the jet stream's meanders hold steady, says Blackburn, creating the perfect conditions for extreme weather....

There is some tentative evidence that the sun may be involved. Earlier this year astrophysicist Mike Lockwood of the University of Reading, UK, showed that winter blocking events were more likely to happen over Europe when solar activity is low – triggering freezing winters (New Scientist, 17 April, p 6).

Now he says he has evidence from 350 years of historical records to show that low solar activity is also associated with summer blocking events (Environmental Research Letters, in press). "There's enough evidence to suspect that the jet stream behaviour is being modulated by the sun," he says.

Blackburn says that blocking events have been unusually common over the last three years, for instance, causing severe floods in the UK and heatwaves in eastern Europe in 2007. Solar activity has been low throughout.

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Electric Wind

Post by starbiter » Mon Aug 16, 2010 1:55 pm

On the Crop Circle Thread Kevin mentioned an EU connection to wind. I agree. It seems that in the Northern Hemisphere hi pressure rotates clockwise and low pressure counter clockwise, primarily. This process seems EU to me. Hi pressure down, low pressure up. Hurricanes are an extreme example. This spinning seems to directly cause wind. When strong high and low meet up the edge is windy. This is a simplification. There are probably many exceptions. There is probably much complexity involved. I assume this has been discussed before. I'd still like to hear opinions. Maybe an EU meteorologist is out there.

Tom on the earthquake thread has CMEs causing warm hi pressure to enter our atmosphere over the Indian Ocean.

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Re: Electric Wind

Post by StevenO » Tue Aug 17, 2010 2:08 am

The answer to this question can be found here: Atmospheric pressure and the charge field
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Re: Electric Wind

Post by starbiter » Wed Aug 18, 2010 12:27 pm

Hello StevenO: I read the article and it does briefly mention wind. But it doesn't get into spinning low and hi pressure. Plasma seems to introduce spin which i think is at least partly responsible for wind.

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Re: Electric Wind

Post by mharratsc » Wed Aug 18, 2010 3:41 pm

It seems to me that where the Sun was scavenging electrons from the Earth would create an area where matter was would be rising up- a low pressure area. Likewise, where positive deposition was occuring in the circuit, there you would have a high pressure area from the ions pushing the air down to the surface.

I am not trained in Meteorology and I have no idea if this even remotely reflects the reality of high and low pressure systems... I'm just throwing out my thoughts here. :)
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Re: Electric Wind

Post by starbiter » Thu Aug 19, 2010 4:18 pm

Hello Mike: We seem to agree. I don't know what goes up and down, but whatever it is, it seems to spin. The spinning seems to directly produce wind.

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Mystery spiral over LA

Post by popster1 » Wed Nov 10, 2010 9:13 am

Something mysterious over LA two nights ago. Here is the part that caught my attention:
He was aboard the station's helicopter shooting footage of sunset over the ocean about 5 p.m. when he noticed a spiral-shaped vapor trail and zoomed in to get a better look. The on-board camera showed a plume twisting up from the horizon and narrowing as it climbed into the sky northwest of Santa Catalina Island, he said. "Whatever it was, it was spinning up into the sky kind of like a spiral," he said. "It was quite a sight to see. It was spectacular."
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Re: Mystery spiral over LA

Post by solrey » Wed Nov 10, 2010 5:49 pm

It might be nothing more than the contrail from United Airways flight 808 from Hawaii to Phoenix. Apparently someone got a webcam shot the next day of a similar contrail at around the same time of day when flt.808 was expected to be flying over. Whether it is or isn't, this is a pretty good article on how contrails look from different angles: Jet contrails from some angles look like missile trails

I actually have a pretty good shot taken from my back yard of two contrails that both originated from the same region to the north. One was on a heading toward the southwest, the other flew nearly due south taking it almost directly overhead.

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Think about angles and perspective.

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It's probably just a matter of perspective and timing at sunset. The video was taken from a helicopter at low altitude so that's something to consider.
Not saying it's the final answer, just something to think about. ;)

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