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Re: EU Breakthrough? - Gravity is Electro-Magnetic

Post by mpc755 » Mon Jan 30, 2012 12:49 pm

Bengt Nyman wrote:
mpc755 wrote:'We' know what causes gravity ...
Oh, sorry Michael ! Didn't recognize you there at first.
My mistake, I thought you actually wanted to understand what causes gravity.

'NASA's Voyager Hits New Region at Solar System Edge'
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2011/de ... yager.html

"Voyager is showing that what is outside is pushing back. ... Like cars piling up at a clogged freeway off-ramp, the increased intensity of the magnetic field shows that inward pressure from interstellar space is compacting it."

The aether displaced by the solar system is pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the solar system. This is gravity.

Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward matter is gravity.

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Re: EU Breakthrough? - Gravity is Electro-Magnetic

Post by Sparky » Mon Jan 30, 2012 1:40 pm

maybe your tinfoil hat has slipped down over your eyes... :D


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mpc,
Aether has mass and physically occupies three dimensional space. Aether is physically displaced by matter.
Isn't this saying that matter is displaced by matter?

Aether as a fluid or gaseous state would tend to mix with other matter of fluid or gaseous states , wouldn't it?

Unless it is some form of antimatter? But, matter is apparently dominant over aether anti-matter, and will not allow mixing of any sort. Isn't that unusual for minerals, especially gases and liquids?

Is there a mechanism in one of your links that explains how fluid matter will maintain separation from fluid matter while exerting a force?
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Re: EU Breakthrough? - Gravity is Electro-Magnetic

Post by mpc755 » Mon Jan 30, 2012 1:50 pm

Sparky wrote:maybe your tinfoil hat has slipped down over your eyes... :D


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mpc,
Aether has mass and physically occupies three dimensional space. Aether is physically displaced by matter.
Isn't this saying that matter is displaced by matter?

Aether as a fluid or gaseous state would tend to mix with other matter of fluid or gaseous states , wouldn't it?

Unless it is some form of antimatter? But, matter is apparently dominant over aether anti-matter, and will not allow mixing of any sort. Isn't that unusual for minerals, especially gases and liquids?

Is there a mechanism in one of your links that explains how fluid matter will maintain separation from fluid matter while exerting a force?
Aether and matter are different states of the same material. Matter is condenstations of aether.

When you place an ice cube into a drink of water the ice displaces the water. When you take the ice cube out of the water is there a void left in the drink or does the water fill-in where the ice cube had been? The water fills-in where the ice cube had been. This is evidence the water pushes back and exerts inward pressure toward the ice cube. Both consist of H2O.

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Re: EU Breakthrough? - Gravity is Electro-Magnetic

Post by sjw40364 » Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:32 pm

Galactic magnetism may influence star birth

Given how much astronomers know about the cosmos, it might be surprising to learn how little they know about a basic process like star formation. A Nature paper published online November 16 makes some headway into how it works, suggesting that the host galaxy's magnetic fields play a significant role.
In particular, the authors studied one of the Milky Way's neighbors, the Pinwheel Galaxy (M33). Its nearly perfect face-0n orientation provides an ideal target to watch the formation of molecular clouds, which act as stellar factories. The paper reports that six such clouds have magnetic fields in alignment with the Pinwheel's spiral arms, making it likely that the galaxy's overall magnetism works to anchor the clouds, affecting their distribution and the efficiency of star formation.
This finding is in contrast to other theories of cloud formation, which suggest that a cloud's internal turbulence and motion would be enough to overpower the galactic magnetic field. --Bill Andrews; Astronomy Magazine; March 2012.
An interesting article I read today. Magnetism is acceptable, just no mention of the currents to sustain the field.

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Re: EU Breakthrough? - Gravity is Electro-Magnetic

Post by Solsearcher » Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:28 am

Experiments with high voltage that produced "anti-gravity" effects tend to confirm this theory.

Townsend Brown coined the term "electrogravitics" a long time ago as a result of his experiments with disc capacitors that flew at astonishing speeds!

Searl is another experimenter who had similar, dramatic results with electricity and gravity!

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Re: EU Breakthrough? - Gravity is Electro-Magnetic

Post by mharratsc » Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:47 am

I've thought about it, and I cannot concur with the notion that gravity is a 'pressure' phenomenon.

Consider the Sun, the planets, and their moons. For one object to be pushed towards another, the 'pressure' between them would have to be less than the pressure on opposite sides. Why would the aether be less dense between spherical bodies (or any shape for that matter) than outside them? Wouldn't this model require the aether to be isodense, even when we see a fractal and filamentary organization to the universe?

I just can't fit the idea to the observations, myself. :\
Mike H.

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Re: EU Breakthrough? - Gravity is Electro-Magnetic

Post by mpc755 » Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:12 am

mharratsc wrote:I've thought about it, and I cannot concur with the notion that gravity is a 'pressure' phenomenon.

Consider the Sun, the planets, and their moons. For one object to be pushed towards another, the 'pressure' between them would have to be less than the pressure on opposite sides. Why would the aether be less dense between spherical bodies (or any shape for that matter) than outside them? Wouldn't this model require the aether to be isodense, even when we see a fractal and filamentary organization to the universe?

I just can't fit the idea to the observations, myself. :\
There is zero evidence what is postulated as non-baryonic dark matter is not uniformly distributed throughout the Universe. All of the evidence to date in terms of the density of dark matter is evidence dark matter is evenly distributed throughout the Universe.

http://www.cfa.harvard.edu/news/2011/pr201129.html

"Their simulations show that dark matter should be densely packed in the centers of galaxies. Instead, new measurements of two dwarf galaxies show that they contain a smooth distribution of dark matter. This suggests that the standard cosmological model may be wrong."

The aether is, or behaves similar to, a superfluid with properties of a solid.

The Earth displaces the aether far past the Moon. The Moon displaces the aether far past the Earth. The aether which the Earth displaces which exists between the Earth and the Moon is exerting force toward the Earth. The aether which the Moon displaces which exists between the Earth and the Moon is exerting force toward the Moon. This causes the aether between the Earth and the Moon to be more at rest then the aether which encompasses the Earth and the Moon. The displaced aether which encompasses the Earth and the Moon pushes the Earth and Moon towards each other. This, along with the displaced aether between the Earth and the Moon being more at rest, keeps the Moon in orbit about the Earth.

The Casimir effect is a good example of this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_ef ... uum_energy

"a "field" in physics may be envisioned as if space were filled with interconnected vibrating balls and springs, and the strength of the field can be visualized as the displacement of a ball from its rest position"

A "field" in physics is space filled with aether and the strength of the field is the displacement of the aether from its rest position.

In the Casimir effect each plate displaces the aether past the other plate. The aether displaced by both plates which exists between the plates is more at rest than the aether which encompasses the plates. The displaced aether which encompasses the plates and is pushing back toward the plates. This, along with the aether between the plates being more at rest, forces the plates together.

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Re: EU Breakthrough? - Gravity is Electro-Magnetic

Post by mharratsc » Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:28 am

That description of the Cas Effecti is rubbish. "No charge between the plates"?? Just like there was "no charge in deep space"...

At the distances they are talking about, even a minutely weak double-layer would have a noticeable effect, if you ask me.
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Re: EU Breakthrough? - Gravity is Electro-Magnetic

Post by mpc755 » Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:33 am

mharratsc wrote:That description of the Cas Effecti is rubbish. "No charge between the plates"?? Just like there was "no charge in deep space"...

At the distances they are talking about, even a minutely weak double-layer would have a noticeable effect, if you ask me.
Where Voyager is there are less particles of matter than in any vacuum artificially created on Earth. It is rubbish to think particles of matter which exist in such few numbers are able to push back and exert inward pressure toward the solar system.

'NASA's Voyager Hits New Region at Solar System Edge'
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2011/de ... yager.html

"Voyager is showing that what is outside is pushing back. ... Like cars piling up at a clogged freeway off-ramp, the increased intensity of the magnetic field shows that inward pressure from interstellar space is compacting it."

The aether displaced by the solar system is pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the solar system. This is gravity.

Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward matter is gravity.

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Re: EU Breakthrough? - Gravity is Electro-Magnetic

Post by Sparky » Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:44 am

mpc,
Aether and matter are different states of the same material. Matter is condenstations of aether
ok, water and ice. Same basic building blocks. But i was comparing same phases or types.

Are we talking about sub-atomic matter? Are you saying that electrons, protons, and all sub-atomic particles, even photons, are condensed from the aether and contain some substance of the aether? What mechanism causes that? Is it still happening?
""The aether displaced by the solar system is pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the solar system. This is gravity.""
This is confusing...We have "gravity" effect upon our solar system , as a whole, from outside it?! Isn't this saying that our solar system, as a whole, is not the same matter as that outside the solar system? Our whole system is displacing the aether?! But,
The aether which the Earth displaces which exists between the Earth and the Moon is exerting force toward the Earth.
If this aether "fluid" is being displaced by any planet, why would not every planet be affected, by being repelled? Displacement would repel nearby bodies. You illustration, using ice in water, demonstrates that. The ice displaces, the water exerts force outward from the ice. Therefore The Earth and moon would each repel the other. You seem to be saying that displaced aether has a memory of where it was and is attempting to return. This can not be correct.

I think your conclusions that there is aether pressure from outside the solar system, acting upon the system, as a whole, is also wrong. You are probably "seeing" something else.

As for aether pressure as gravity effect, then that is something different. Probable, but highly speculative as to what it is.
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Re: EU Breakthrough? - Gravity is Electro-Magnetic

Post by mpc755 » Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:57 am

Sparky wrote:mpc,
Aether and matter are different states of the same material. Matter is condenstations of aether
ok, water and ice. Same basic building blocks. But i was comparing same phases or types.

Are we talking about sub-atomic matter? Are you saying that electrons, protons, and all sub-atomic particles, even photons, are condensed from the aether and contain some substance of the aether?
I do not think it can be known if a photon is a particle which has an associated aether displacement wave or if the photon consists of a very small region of the aether wave itself. Larger particles are condensation of aether which exist in and displace the aether.
What mechanism causes that?
Pressure.
Is it still happening?
Yes, where the pressure is great enough aether is condensing into matter.
""The aether displaced by the solar system is pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the solar system. This is gravity.""
This is confusing...We have "gravity" effect upon our solar system , as a whole, from outside it?! Isn't this saying that our solar system, as a whole, is not the same matter as that outside the solar system? Our whole system is displacing the aether?! But,
The aether which the Earth displaces which exists between the Earth and the Moon is exerting force toward the Earth.
If this aether "fluid" is being displaced by any planet, why would not every planet be affected, by being repelled? Displacement would repel nearby bodies. You illustration, using ice in water, demonstrates that. The ice displaces, the water exerts force outward from the ice. Therefore The Earth and moon would each repel the other. You seem to be saying that displaced aether has a memory of where it was and is attempting to return. This can not be correct.
The aether is, or behaves similar to, a superfluid with properties of a solid.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_ef ... uum_energy

"a "field" in physics may be envisioned as if space were filled with interconnected vibrating balls and springs, and the strength of the field can be visualized as the displacement of a ball from its rest position"

A "field" in physics is space filled with aether and the strength of the field is the displacement of the aether from its rest position.
I think your conclusions that there is aether pressure from outside the solar system, acting upon the system, as a whole, is also wrong. You are probably "seeing" something else.
Voyager detected what is outside of the solar system is pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the solar system. I am explaining it is the aether displaced by the solar system which is pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the solar system.

'NASA's Voyager Hits New Region at Solar System Edge'
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2011/de ... yager.html

"Voyager is showing that what is outside is pushing back. ... Like cars piling up at a clogged freeway off-ramp, the increased intensity of the magnetic field shows that inward pressure from interstellar space is compacting it."

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Re: EU Breakthrough? - Gravity is Electro-Magnetic

Post by Sparky » Tue Jan 31, 2012 12:13 pm

This shows unequivocally that the Casimir force is caused by both gravity and the foundational E/M field, falsifying the standard model analysis. ------One of the first experimental tests was conducted by Marcus Sparnaay at Philips in Eindhoven, in 1958, in a delicate and difficult experiment with parallel plates, obtaining results not in contradiction with the Casimir theory, but with large experimental errors.
That is a very strange way of stating it, to say the least. It is an odd scientific method to claim that large experimental errors do not contradict a theory.
As with so many other things, there is no good theory of superconductivity. Physics now claims to know almost everything, but the number of good physical (mechanical) answers it has to questions is approaching zero.---The Fermi surface is an abstract boundary, which means the theorists just made it up. We have no data confirming a Fermi surface, and we have no mechanical cause of the surface, so it is completely heuristic.--- Here we have negative charge “increasing the positive charge density.” So we are being told that negative charge can INCREASE positive charge, which would be energy from nothing. The increased positive charge then attracts other electrons, so we have electrons attracting other electrons by this mechanism. They "pair up." Each sentence is a new miracle.---

I want a physical answer to the question, "What causes superconductivity?" If the answer were really that difficult, I would understand all the misdirection. But it turns out the answer is fairly simple. All you need is the charge field.---Charge is then the motion of these real photons, not some mystical attraction or repulsion of ions.

This solves the superconductivity problem because conductivity is defined as the ability of a substance to let charge pass. Obviously, charge will pass most easily when it is blocked the least, and it is blocked the least when particles aren't getting in the way. In other words, charge photons will pass through still matter more easily than they will pass through vibrating matter.
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2011/de ... yager.html
In it, the wind of charged particles streaming out from our sun has calmed, our solar system's magnetic field piles up and higher energy particles from inside our solar system appear to be leaking out into interstellar space.
all this says is that the magnetic flux is denser. That is probably caused by higher voltage and currents. The only pressure is that within the confines of birkiland current's z-pinch, and that is magnetic force, not some magical aether.
"Voyager tells us now that we're in a stagnation region in the outermost layer of the bubble around our solar system," said Ed Stone, Voyager project scientist at the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. "Voyager is showing that what is outside is pushing back. We shouldn't have long to wait to find out what the space between stars is really like."
Nonsense.....they are misreading the data...
"pushing back?"...nonsense...they are looking at a very energetic area and again misreading the data...
The data do not reveal exactly when Voyager 1 will make it past the edge of the solar atmosphere into interstellar space, but suggest it will be in a few months to a few years.
Speculation..there may be no defined "edge."
"solar atmosphere"?..measured emissions from the sun are diminishing, yes... that is expected because of dispersal....
Scientists previously reported the outward speed of the solar wind had diminished to zero in April 2010, marking the start of the new region.
so where did the trillions^? of tons of matter go? They don't even speculate, just say a "new region."
detected a doubling in the intensity of the magnetic field in the stagnation region. Like cars piling up at a clogged freeway off-ramp, the increased intensity of the magnetic field shows that inward pressure from interstellar space is compacting it.
But, the magnetic fields doubled! Indicating increased voltage and current flow, probably the missing solar wind!..

clogged freeway?....nonsense!....pressure from space?..nonsense!!
But during the past year, the intensity of these energetic particles has been declining, as though they are leaking out into interstellar space. The particles are now half as abundant as they were during the previous five years.
Sloppy writing, conflating intensity with quantity.
Leaking?...Of course there is movement into space! They speak of the solar system as if it were a balloon!!And they are probably misreading the data, if the instruments can detect current within those magnetic fields that they see!
At the same time, Voyager has detected a 100-fold increase in the intensity of high-energy electrons from elsewhere in the galaxy diffusing into our solar system from outside, which is another indication of the approaching boundary.
Speculation!Those may be the same solarwind electrons being accelerated in the magnetic fields that they "see". The ones that disappeared, remember?!
"We've found that the wind speeds are low in this region and gust erratically. For the first time, the wind even blows back at us. We are evidently traveling in completely new territory. Scientists had suggested previously that there might be a stagnation layer, but we weren't sure it existed until now."


Sure does not sound like "stagnation"! gusting, reversal of energetic particles! sounds like a tornado!! Probably the missing solar wind matter, caught up in twisting, conducting, magnetic
fields....birkiland currents.
http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/2011/12 ... rvescence/

Just more nonsensical speculations from NASA...Confused because they do not know how to interpret their data!

There is a thread somewhere about this article...anybody know it's location :?:

Anyway, any gravity theory built upon this nonsense is , at the least, questionable. :roll:
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Re: EU Breakthrough? - Gravity is Electro-Magnetic

Post by mpc755 » Tue Jan 31, 2012 12:54 pm

Sparky wrote:

http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2011/de ... yager.html
In it, the wind of charged particles streaming out from our sun has calmed, our solar system's magnetic field piles up and higher energy particles from inside our solar system appear to be leaking out into interstellar space.
all this says is that the magnetic flux is denser. That is probably caused by higher voltage and currents. The only pressure is that within the confines of birkiland current's z-pinch, and that is magnetic force, not some magical aether.
"Voyager tells us now that we're in a stagnation region in the outermost layer of the bubble around our solar system," said Ed Stone, Voyager project scientist at the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. "Voyager is showing that what is outside is pushing back. We shouldn't have long to wait to find out what the space between stars is really like."
Nonsense.....they are misreading the data...
"pushing back?"...nonsense...they are looking at a very energetic area and again misreading the data...
So, you are saying a magnetic force is causing the magnetic field to pile up. A magnetic force created by particles of matter which exist in quantities less than any vacuum artificially created on Earth? Talk about nonsense.

The aether displaced by the solar system is pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the solar system. This is what is causing the magnetic field to pile up.

Closer to Earth this force is referred to as gravity.

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Re: EU Breakthrough? - Gravity is Electro-Magnetic

Post by Sparky » Tue Jan 31, 2012 2:35 pm

mpc,
So, you are saying a magnetic force is causing the magnetic field to pile up.
Your reading comprehension is off...

If you would reread my post you will see that what i said was, "they are seeing increased magnetic flux density".

The article that you base your hypothesis on is standard cosmology nonsense.

Repeating the same conclusion, using distorted conclusions of standard cosmology, is not an argument. Your hypothesis is falsified. But, aether pressure of some kind may cause gravity effect.

Do you know anything about EU? Here is a link:

These non-EU/non-electrical gravity, highly speculative , pressure gravity, dominate posts should be moved to NIMI forum.
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Re: EU Breakthrough? - Gravity is Electro-Magnetic

Post by mpc755 » Tue Jan 31, 2012 3:44 pm

Sparky wrote:mpc,
So, you are saying a magnetic force is causing the magnetic field to pile up.
Your reading comprehension is off...

If you would reread my post you will see that what i said was, "they are seeing increased magnetic flux density".

The article that you base your hypothesis on is standard cosmology nonsense.
Aether displacement is not based on what Voyager found evidence of. What Voyager found evidence of is aether displaced by matter pushes back and exerts inward pressure toward the matter.

Here is more evidence of aether displacement.

'Offset between dark matter and ordinary matter: evidence from a sample of 38 lensing clusters of galaxies'
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/100 ... 1475v1.pdf

"Our data strongly support the idea that the gravitational potential in clusters is mainly due to a non-baryonic fluid, and any exotic field in gravitational theory must resemble that of CDM fields very closely."

The offset is due to the galaxy clusters moving through the aether. The analogy is a submarine moving through the water. You are under water. Two miles away from you are many lights. Moving between you and the lights one mile away is a submarine. The submarine displaces the water. The state of displacement of the water causes the center of the lensing of the light propagating through the water to be offset from the center of the submarine itself. The offset between the center of the lensing of the light propagating through the water displaced by the submarine and the center of the submarine itself is going to remain the same as the submarine moves through the water. The submarine continually displaces different regions of the water. The state of the water connected to and neighboring the submarine remains the same as the submarine moves through the water even though it is not the same water the submarine continually displaces. This is what is occurring physically in nature as the galaxy clusters move through the aether.
Repeating the same conclusion, using distorted conclusions of standard cosmology, is not an argument. Your hypothesis is falsified. But, aether pressure of some kind may cause gravity effect.

Do you know anything about EU? Here is a link:

These non-EU/non-electrical gravity, highly speculative , pressure gravity, dominate posts should be moved to NIMI forum.
You have falsified nothing.

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