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Re: EU Breakthrough? - Gravity is Electro-Magnetic

Post by mpc755 » Mon Feb 06, 2012 7:51 pm

Corpuscles wrote:
mpc755 wrote:
Displaced aether pushing back toward matter is gravity.

A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave.

Curved spacetime is displaced aether.

mpc755

With utmost intentions to be polite.

It seems you have had some sort of "light bulb moment" an epiphany of sorts?

I think you can count on several TB members having read, and thought as deeply as necessary, about your proposal.

But consider the age old proverb: "what does it profit a man to trumpet into a friends ear?" ( Louder and repetitiously)

I applaud that having seemingly (perhaps like us all) at some time, in some perhaps different manner , educated to accept THE Emporer - A. Einstein's gobblygook on GR and SR
His Leyden Lecture in part retracts, or clarifies some of it ( for many reasons I very much like re-reading it when it is contributed).

So good on you for acknowledging the aether and thinking about the consequences

However, your proposal or 'hypothesis' is lacking and has it's own considerable flaws.


1. Firstly there is no "curved space/time". It is a erroneously, abstract mathematically derived, UTTER nonsense!
(Despite Einsteins belated attempt to re-introduce or clarify the inclusion of an aether.)
What is referred to as curved spacetime is displaced aether.
2. Your model is vaguely but completely physically- mechanical. (like your, or borrowed analogies of water or "superfluids" . It does not seem to be "ELECTRIC"? This cannot be so as 'ELECTRIC' is the basic essential for all.

3. If "Displaced aether pushing back toward matter is gravity." Then consider the motion of any planet (eg Earth) consider that it's spin velocity, its orbital velocity, and our solar sytems greater galacitic orbital movement then your ...displacement/push back aether "gravity"wave.... IT (vectors) results in a complete incoherent mess!
Watch the following video starting at 0:45 to see a visual representation of the state of the aether. What is referred to as a twist in spacetime is the state of displacement of the aether. What is referred to as frame-dragging is the state of displacement of the aether.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9ITt44-EHE

The analogy is putting a mesh bag full of marbles into a superfluid and spinning the bag of marbles. If you were unable to determine if the superfluid consists of particles or not you would still be able to detect the state of displacement of the superfluid.
4. A few of your claims found in several versions of your 'cut and paste' is that:
a)"Matter is condensations of aether.".....&
b)"Matter evaporates into aether".... ...&
c)"There is zero evidence aether is not uniformly distributed throughout the Universe. All of the evidence to date in terms of the density of aether is evidence aether is evenly distributed throughout the Universe."

Maybe you are thinking on on the right general direction? ;) Except (c) is seemingly incompatible to (a)& (b)....?

However .....now you have "condensed aether".... moving through ...seemingly less dense aether, which apparently has a greater "push" called gravity??????

Do you see the anomolies with that hypothesis ? If not please try!
Ice is condensations of water. Water is an incompressible fluid. When you place an ice cube into a drink of water the ice displaces the water. When you take the ice cube out of the water is there a void in the drink where the ice cube had been? Of course not. The water fills-in where the ice cube had been. This is evidence the displaced water pushes back and exerts pressure toward the ice cube. The liquid water is evenly distributed, it doesn't change density, whether there is an ice cube in the drink or not.

As the ice cube melts in the drink it transitions from ice to water. The 'evaporation' of the ice is energy. The total mass of H20 remains the same. As the ice cube melts in the drink of water the mass of H20 is conserved.
Again I love reading stuff here IT IS ALL GOOD, even if some is absurd. But please keep thinking and especially reading EU stuff especially articles by Wal Thornhill.

I recommend this one

http://www.holoscience.com/news.php?article=gdaqg8df

Also ... to perhaps help cure you of obsession with "the emporer with very few clothes left ( a simple critique of SR):

http://www.heretical.com/science/dingle1.html

Cheers, I applaud your enthusiasm :)
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I recommend you re-read some of my previous posts.

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Re: EU Breakthrough? - Gravity is Electro-Magnetic

Post by mjv1121 » Tue Feb 07, 2012 2:20 am

Aardwolf,
mjv1121 wrote:it would seem more likely that there are mechanisms in place that allow for the transfer of momentum from matter to aether, thereby maintaining a balance.
Aardwolf wrote:That seems quite sweeping. As a particularly fundamental aspect of your theory I would have thought it to be quite important rather than stupid. Is that a half of your theory that you are willing to take on faith?
That's more like it - good question. I will confess that it is somewhat difficult to assess this with a high degree of confidence. Certainly electrons must be considered a strong candidate for c restoration of aether particles. However, it seems clear enough that the universe has a certain amount of momentum. Since momentum cannot be destroyed, only transferred, then entropic principles indicate that perhaps the fate of momentum is to be spread out evenly across all forms of "matter". That said, it would be a rather unjustified and unsafe assumption to say that the universe is not, for the purposes of any such analysis, infinitely old - yes, we can dispense with the "infinite" and just say very very very very old, but to all intents and purposes it's the same thing. Based on that we are left to conclude that there is likely a simple proportionality that defines the matter/aether balance of momentum.

Thus far I have found that seemingly complex and intractable problems turn out to have rather elegantly simple solutions. Magnetism would be one such example. The "super"-"conducting" magnet demonstration that you are so fond of appears to add complexity to the magnetic conundrum, but in actuality it helps to highlight the solution. I am presently furiously writing papers at a rate of several words a day. The "particulate push" mechanism is holding out so far - as well it should as it is the only physical, mechanical solution available.

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Re: EU Breakthrough? - Gravity is Electro-Magnetic

Post by Sparky » Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:37 am

Sparky, If you don't want to understand what occurs physically in nature to cause gravity then that is up to you. If you don't want to understand what occurs physically in nature in a double slit experiment then that is up to you. If you don't want to understand why there is an offset between the light lensing through the space neighboring moving galaxy clusters and the galaxy clusters themselves then that is up to you. If you don't want to understand what is outside of the solar system pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the solar system then that is up to you. If you don't want to understand the relationship between mass and energy then that is up to you. If you don't want to understand it's the Big Ongoing not the Big Bang then that is up to you.
:roll: As If you are the well of knowledge that has it all figured out! :roll:

Such bombastic, indemonstrable, dogmatic, and illogical conclusions, from theories that are highly suspect, if not wrong, is just plain arrogance. You are speaking as if your line of reasoning is proven fact, unquestionable, a law!.. What arrogance!

What evidence do you have that is specific to your thesis, that is, can not be evidence for an aether in general, if not for some other mechanism. That is, the examples given could point to more than one conclusion, not just your interpretation.
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You are assuming that what you have offered as evidence is specific to your hypothesis, dubious evidence, at best, do not make their own a priori arguments for your hypothesis.

And, NO, i do not accept your illogical conclusions, and i think your arrogant position that you alone have it all figured out is what makes it absurd, when the evidence you have given could point toward other conclusions. In short, NONsense!

I don't accept these alternative conclusions and proofs, but: Gravity

Double Slit

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Re: EU Breakthrough? - Gravity is Electro-Magnetic

Post by mpc755 » Tue Feb 07, 2012 11:20 am

Sparky wrote:
Sparky, If you don't want to understand what occurs physically in nature to cause gravity then that is up to you. If you don't want to understand what occurs physically in nature in a double slit experiment then that is up to you. If you don't want to understand why there is an offset between the light lensing through the space neighboring moving galaxy clusters and the galaxy clusters themselves then that is up to you. If you don't want to understand what is outside of the solar system pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the solar system then that is up to you. If you don't want to understand the relationship between mass and energy then that is up to you. If you don't want to understand it's the Big Ongoing not the Big Bang then that is up to you.
:roll: As If you are the well of knowledge that has it all figured out! :roll:

Such bombastic, indemonstrable, dogmatic, and illogical conclusions, from theories that are highly suspect, if not wrong, is just plain arrogance. You are speaking as if your line of reasoning is proven fact, unquestionable, a law!.. What arrogance!

What evidence do you have that is specific to your thesis, that is, can not be evidence for an aether in general, if not for some other mechanism. That is, the examples given could point to more than one conclusion, not just your interpretation.
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You are assuming that what you have offered as evidence is specific to your hypothesis, dubious evidence, at best, do not make their own a priori arguments for your hypothesis.

And, NO, i do not accept your illogical conclusions, and i think your arrogant position that you alone have it all figured out is what makes it absurd, when the evidence you have given could point toward other conclusions. In short, NONsense!
The following article describes the aether as an incompressible fluid resulting in what the article refers to as gravitational aether caused by pressure (or vorticity).

'Phenomenology of Gravitational Aether as a solution to the Old Cosmological Constant Problem'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1106.3955

"One proposal to address this puzzle at the semi-classical level is to decouple quantum vacuum from space-time geometry via a modification of gravity that includes an incompressible fluid, known as Gravitational Aether. In this paper, we discuss classical predictions of this theory along with its compatibility with cosmological and experimental tests of gravity. We argue that deviations from General Relativity (GR) in this theory are sourced by pressure or vorticity."

The following article describes gravity as a pressure exerted by aether toward matter.

'The aether-modified gravity and the G ̈del metric'
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1109.5654v2

"As for the pressure, it is equal to p = 53−αg,6a2 so, it is positive if αg < 3 which is the weaker condition than the previous one. One notes that the results corresponding to the usual gravity are easily recovered. Also, it is easy to see that the interval αg < 15 corresponds to the usual matter."

The following article describes a gravitating vacuum where aether is the quantum vacuum of the 21-st century.

'From Analogue Models to Gravitating Vacuum'
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1111.1155

"The aether of the 21-st century is the quantum vacuum, which is a new form of matter. This is the real substance"

The following articles describe what is presently postulated as dark matter is aether.

'Quantum aether and an invariant Planck scale'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1110.3753

"this version of aether may have some bearing on the abundance of Dark Matter and Dark Energy in our universe."

"mass of the aether"

'Scalars, Vectors and Tensors from Metric-Affine Gravity'
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1110.5168

"the model obtained here gets closer to the aether theory of , which is shown therein to be an alternative to the cold dark matter."

'Unified model for dark matter and quintessence'
http://arxiv.org/pdf/physics/0610135

"Superfluid dark matter is reminiscent of the aether and modeling the universe using superfluid aether is compatible."
I don't accept these alternative conclusions and proofs, but: Gravity
Displaced aether pushing back toward matter is gravity.
"I have proved in several previous papers that the charge field, if defined mechanically, must have mass equivalence. If it has mass equivalence, it must have materiality."

The aether has mass. The aether is physically displaced by a moving particle into the form of a wave.

A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave.

In a double slit experiment the particle travels a well defined trajectory which takes it through one slit while the associated aether wave passes through both.
"The wavelength of light we see is not a field wave, it is the stretched out wave of the photons themselves. This is how an individual photon can carry a wave, as in the two-slit experiment. The wavelength is a physical characteristic of each photon."

It is an aether displacement wave.

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Re: EU Breakthrough? - Gravity is Electro-Magnetic

Post by Sparky » Tue Feb 07, 2012 1:27 pm

I found this by accident and found it relevant and funny!!

SciForums.com : On the Fringe : Pseudoscience

ON PAGE 47! excerpts of posts:
mpc755, Pressure exerted by displaced aether toward matter is gravity.
""O.K mpc . . . I do not agree with you (as per your previous posts conjure) but I'll quit posting to YOUR THREAD (also, please do not post to MINE) . . . for the simple reason that you only want (any) responses so that you can re-post . . .re-post . . .re-post . . verbatim, the same unfounded, unproven gobbledygook, ad infinitum . . just a word of friendly advice . . . no matter how often you post the same stuff, ad nauseum, to the chagrin of the fora members, . . .you are no closer to convincing readers that your fantasies are factual (i.e., testable and proveable theory - they are, at best, hypotheses. Good luck in your endeavors, however . . . fertile minds should not be wasted on fantasies (unless you are a creative artist or fiction writer!) in our (mankind) search for the truth.
""Still can't give any evidence for your claims?
Still think that repeating a stupid claim makes it valid?
""@mpc --

What???

I mean, I understand the words you're using and what they mean in science, but I don't think you do. What the hell are you talking about?
""Moderator note: mpc755 has been re-banned for continuing to spam.

Obviously, this poster has learned nothing from his/her previous ban.

Maybe another 7 days off will help.
""mpc75555 Obviously, this moderator does not understand the difference between spam and someone responding to posts which add no value to a thread.
""Again, I understand the words you're using and what they mean in science, but you're still just talking absolute, nonsense, gibberish.
""Moderator note: mpc75555 has been permanently banned from sciforums as a sock puppet of mpc755.

mpc755 has now been permanently banned from sciforums for creating a sock puppet to evade a ban, after previously having been explicitly warned that doing that would result in a permanently ban.
""That was close! If he had repeated his claim one more time, I think he would have convinced me...
""At least come up with a more original name to make it a bit of a challenge!
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Re: EU Breakthrough? - Gravity is Electro-Magnetic

Post by mpc755 » Tue Feb 07, 2012 1:29 pm

Aether has mass. Aether physically occupies three dimensional space. Aether is physically displaced by matter.

Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward matter is gravity.

This is what Voyager found evidence of.

'NASA's Voyager Hits New Region at Solar System Edge'
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2011/de ... yager.html

"Voyager is showing that what is outside is pushing back. ... Like cars piling up at a clogged freeway off-ramp, the increased intensity of the magnetic field shows that inward pressure from interstellar space is compacting it."

The aether is, or behaves similar to, a superfluid with properties of a solid.

The galaxy clusters in the following article are not traveling with dark matter. The galaxy clusters are moving through the aether. The galaxy clusters displace the aether.

'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubbl ... ature.html

"Astronomers using NASA's Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark mater, which is somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the water."

The 'pond' consists of aether. The moving 'particles' are the galaxy clusters. The 'ripple' is a gravitational wave. The 'ripple' is an aether displacement wave.

The above is physical evidence of a moving 'particle' having an associated aether displacement wave.

'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory - Louis de BROGLIE'
http://aflb.ensmp.fr/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf

"any particle, even isolated, has to be imagined as in continuous “energetic contact” with a hidden medium"

The hidden medium is the aether. The "energetic contact" is the state of displacement of the aether.

'A quantum take on certainty'
http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110602/ ... 1.344.html

"Intriguingly, the trajectories closely match those predicted by an unconventional interpretation of quantum mechanics known as pilot-wave theory, in which each particle has a well-defined trajectory that takes it through one slit while the associated wave passes through both slits."

A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave.

In a double slit experiment the particle travels a well defined trajectory which takes it through one slit. The associated aether wave passes through both. As the aether wave exits the slits it creates wave interference. As the particle exits a single slit the direction it travels is altered by the wave interference. This is the wave piloting the particle of pilot-wave theory. Detecting the particle strongly exiting a single slit turns the associated aether wave into chop. The aether waves exiting the slits interact with the detectors and become many short waves with irregular motion. The waves become disorderly. The waves are disorganized. There is no wave interference. The particle pitches and rolls through the chop. The particle gets knocked around by the chop and it no longer creates an interference pattern.

'Dark Halo Around Our Galaxy Looks Like Squished Beach Ball'
http://www.space.com/7746-dark-halo-gal ... -ball.html

"Dark matter seems to shroud the remaining visible matter in giant spheres called haloes."

The Milky Way's halo is displaced aether.

"But the new study found that the Milky Way's halo isn't exactly spherical, but squished. In fact, its beach-ball form is flattened in a surprising direction perpendicular to the galaxy's visible, pancake-shaped spiral disk."

All of the aether displaced by the Milky Way matter pushes back toward the Milky Way. The pressure exerted toward the matter by the aether displaced perpendicular to the plane of the galaxy's spiral disk offset. It is the aether which is displaced outward relative to the plane of the spiral disk which pushes back and exerts inward pressure toward the center of the galaxy. This forces the matter closer together which results in the displaced aether looking like a squished beach ball.

Matter does not move with dark matter. Matter moves through and displaces the aether.

'Offset between dark matter and ordinary matter: evidence from a sample of 38 lensing clusters of galaxies'
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1 ... x/abstract

"We compile a sample of 38 galaxy clusters which have both X-ray and strong lensing observations, and study for each cluster the projected offset between the dominant component of baryonic matter centre (measured by X-rays) and the gravitational centre (measured by strong lensing). Among the total sample, 45 per cent clusters have offsets [greater than]10 arcsec. The [greater than]10 arcsec separations are significant, considering the arcsecond precision in the measurement of the lensing/X-ray centres. This suggests that it might be a common phenomenon in unrelaxed galaxy clusters that gravitational field is separated spatially from the dominant component of baryonic matter. It also has consequences for lensing models of unrelaxed clusters since the gas mass distribution may differ from the dark matter distribution and give perturbations to the modelling. Such offsets can be used as a statistical tool for comparison with the results of Lambda cold dark matter ( CDM) simulations and to test the modified dynamics."

The offset is due to the galaxy clusters moving through the aether. The analogy is a submarine moving through the water. You are under water. Two miles away from you are many lights. Moving between you and the lights one mile away is a submarine. The submarine displaces the water. The state of displacement of the water causes the center of the lensing of the light propagating through the water to be offset from the center of the submarine itself. The offset between the center of the lensing of the light propagating through the water displaced by the submarine and the center of the submarine itself is going to remain the same as the submarine moves through the water. The submarine continually displaces different regions of the water. The state of the water connected to and neighboring the submarine remains the same as the submarine moves through the water even though it is not the same water the submarine continually displaces. This is what is occurring physically in nature as the galaxy clusters move through the aether.

'Was the universe born spinning?'
http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/46688

"The universe was born spinning and continues to do so around a preferred axis"

The Universe spins around a preferred axis because the Universe is, or the local Universe we exist in is in, a jet; analogous to the polar jet of a black hole.

'Mysterious Cosmic 'Dark Flow' Tracked Deeper into Universe'
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/new ... 0-023.html

'The clusters appear to be moving along a line extending from our solar system toward Centaurus/Hydra, but the direction of this motion is less certain. Evidence indicates that the clusters are headed outward along this path, away from Earth, but the team cannot yet rule out the opposite flow. "We detect motion along this axis, but right now our data cannot state as strongly as we'd like whether the clusters are coming or going," Kashlinsky said.'

The clusters are headed along this path because the Universe is, or the local Universe we exist in is in, a jet.

The following is an image analogous of the Universal jet.

http://aether.lbl.gov/image_all.html

The reason for the 'expansion' of the universe is the continual emission of aether into the Universal jet. Three dimensional space associated with the Universe itself is not expanding. What we see in our telescopes is the matter associated with the Universe moving outward and away from the Universal jet emission point. In the image above, '1st Stars' is where the increase in pressure caused by the aether continually being emitted into the Universal jet causes the aether to condense into matter.

The following is an image analogous of the Universe, or the local Universe, we exist in.

http://www.astro.ucla.edu/planetarium/g ... ckHole.jpg

The following is an image analogous of the Universal spin.

http://i.space.com/images/i/612/i02/040 ... 1292259454

Dark flow is the aether emitted into the Universal jet. Dark energy is the change in state of the aether emitted into the Universal jet.

It's not the Big Bang; it's the Big Ongoing.

Einstein's definition of motion as applied to the ether is defined throughout the following article as the ether does not consist of individual particles which can be separately tracked through time.

I interpret Einstein's definition of motion as applied to the ether to mean it can not be known if ether consists of particles or not.

'Ether and the Theory of Relativity - Albert Einstein'
http://www.tu-harburg.de/rzt/rzt/it/Ether.html

"if, in fact nothing else whatever were observable than the shape of the space occupied by the water as it varies in time, we should have no ground for the assumption that water consists of movable particles. But all the same we could characterise it as a medium."

"There may be supposed to be extended physical objects to which the idea of motion cannot be applied. They may not be thought of as consisting of particles which allow themselves to be separately tracked through time."

"The special theory of relativity forbids us to assume the ether to consist of particles observable through time, but the hypothesis of ether in itself is not in conflict with the special theory of relativity."

"According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is unthinkable;...But this ether may not be thought of as endowed with the quality characteristic of ponderable media, as consisting of parts which may be tracked through time. The idea of motion may not be applied to it."

Every time Einstein mentions motion as applied to the ether it is defined as the ether does not consist of individual particles which can be separately tracked through time. This is different than Einstein's definition of mobility as applied to the ether.

The ether of general relativity is mobile.

"It may be added that the whole change in the conception of the ether which the special theory of relativity brought about, consisted in taking away from the ether its last mechanical quality, namely, its immobility."

The mobility of the ether of relatiivty as determined by its connections with the matter is the state of displacement of the aether.

"the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places, ... disregarding the causes which condition its state."

The state of the ether as determined by its connections with the matter and the state of the ether in neighboring places is the state of displacement of the ether.

"Since according to our present conceptions the elementary particles of matter are also, in their essence, nothing else than condensations of the electromagnetic field"

The electromagnetic field is a state of the aether.

Matter is condensations of aether.

DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT?' A. EINSTEIN
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf

"If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass diminishes by L/c2."

The mass of the body does diminish; however, the matter which no longer exists as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as aether.

Matter evaporates into aether.

As matter converts to aether it expands in three dimensional space. The physical effects this transition has on the neighboring aether and matter is energy.

When a nuclear bomb explodes matter evaporates into aether. The evaporation is energy. Mass is conserved.

A change in state of that which has mass is energy.

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Re: EU Breakthrough? - Gravity is Electro-Magnetic

Post by mjv1121 » Tue Feb 07, 2012 1:56 pm

Corpuscles,

I enjoyed your previous post, but I have a query about one comment that you made:
Corpuscles wrote:Your model is vaguely but completely physically- mechanical.... . It does not seem to be "ELECTRIC"? This cannot be so as 'ELECTRIC' is the basic essential for all.
I am a tad confused as to how "ELECTRIC" is not physical and/or mechanical. This may be a technical or a philosophical issue, that likely as not we will disagree on. However, I would appreciate reading your idea of what "ELECTRIC" means. As I say, I suspect I may take a different stance, but nonetheless I am intrigued and interested in the contents of your brain on this point.

Michael

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Re: EU Breakthrough? - Gravity is Electro-Magnetic

Post by Aardwolf » Wed Feb 08, 2012 4:32 pm

mjv1121 wrote:Thus far I have found that seemingly complex and intractable problems turn out to have rather elegantly simple solutions. Magnetism would be one such example. The "super"-"conducting" magnet demonstration that you are so fond of appears to add complexity to the magnetic conundrum, but in actuality it helps to highlight the solution. I am presently furiously writing papers at a rate of several words a day. The "particulate push" mechanism is holding out so far - as well it should as it is the only physical, mechanical solution available.
Then it shouldn't be that difficult to describe what is happening to the puck.

The gravity particles should amount to a net force pushing down on the puck towards the Earth, and I understand that the magnetic particles, according to your push theory, should also be pushing the puck away, which (in the case of the apparatus being held upside down) is also towards the Earth.

Why then doesn't it just fall to the ground? What exactly is pushing the puck upwards away from Earth?

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Re: EU Breakthrough? - Gravity is Electro-Magnetic

Post by mpc755 » Wed Feb 08, 2012 6:02 pm

Aardwolf wrote:
mjv1121 wrote:Thus far I have found that seemingly complex and intractable problems turn out to have rather elegantly simple solutions. Magnetism would be one such example. The "super"-"conducting" magnet demonstration that you are so fond of appears to add complexity to the magnetic conundrum, but in actuality it helps to highlight the solution. I am presently furiously writing papers at a rate of several words a day. The "particulate push" mechanism is holding out so far - as well it should as it is the only physical, mechanical solution available.
Then it shouldn't be that difficult to describe what is happening to the puck.

The gravity particles should amount to a net force pushing down on the puck towards the Earth, and I understand that the magnetic particles, according to your push theory, should also be pushing the puck away, which (in the case of the apparatus being held upside down) is also towards the Earth.

Why then doesn't it just fall to the ground? What exactly is pushing the puck upwards away from Earth?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meissner_effect

"The Meissner effect is the expulsion of a magnetic field from a superconductor during its transition to the superconducting state."

It is the displacement of the magnetic field.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... isnera.svg

A magnetic field which exists in the aether.

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Re: EU Breakthrough? - Gravity is Electro-Magnetic

Post by Aardwolf » Wed Feb 08, 2012 6:25 pm

mpc755 wrote:
Aardwolf wrote:
mjv1121 wrote:Thus far I have found that seemingly complex and intractable problems turn out to have rather elegantly simple solutions. Magnetism would be one such example. The "super"-"conducting" magnet demonstration that you are so fond of appears to add complexity to the magnetic conundrum, but in actuality it helps to highlight the solution. I am presently furiously writing papers at a rate of several words a day. The "particulate push" mechanism is holding out so far - as well it should as it is the only physical, mechanical solution available.
Then it shouldn't be that difficult to describe what is happening to the puck.

The gravity particles should amount to a net force pushing down on the puck towards the Earth, and I understand that the magnetic particles, according to your push theory, should also be pushing the puck away, which (in the case of the apparatus being held upside down) is also towards the Earth.

Why then doesn't it just fall to the ground? What exactly is pushing the puck upwards away from Earth?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meissner_effect

"The Meissner effect is the expulsion of a magnetic field from a superconductor during its transition to the superconducting state."

It is the displacement of the magnetic field.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... isnera.svg

A magnetic field which exists in the aether.
That still doesn't explain what particles are pushing the puck upwards against the gravity particles.

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Re: EU Breakthrough? - Gravity is Electro-Magnetic

Post by mpc755 » Wed Feb 08, 2012 7:09 pm

Aardwolf wrote:
mpc755 wrote:
Aardwolf wrote:
mjv1121 wrote:Thus far I have found that seemingly complex and intractable problems turn out to have rather elegantly simple solutions. Magnetism would be one such example. The "super"-"conducting" magnet demonstration that you are so fond of appears to add complexity to the magnetic conundrum, but in actuality it helps to highlight the solution. I am presently furiously writing papers at a rate of several words a day. The "particulate push" mechanism is holding out so far - as well it should as it is the only physical, mechanical solution available.
Then it shouldn't be that difficult to describe what is happening to the puck.

The gravity particles should amount to a net force pushing down on the puck towards the Earth, and I understand that the magnetic particles, according to your push theory, should also be pushing the puck away, which (in the case of the apparatus being held upside down) is also towards the Earth.

Why then doesn't it just fall to the ground? What exactly is pushing the puck upwards away from Earth?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meissner_effect

"The Meissner effect is the expulsion of a magnetic field from a superconductor during its transition to the superconducting state."

It is the displacement of the magnetic field.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... isnera.svg

A magnetic field which exists in the aether.
That still doesn't explain what particles are pushing the puck upwards against the gravity particles.
Einstein's definition of motion as applied to the ether is defined throughout the following article as the ether does not consist of individual particles which can be separately tracked through time.

I interpret Einstein's definition of motion as applied to the ether to mean it can not be known if ether consists of particles or not.

'Ether and the Theory of Relativity - Albert Einstein'
http://www.tu-harburg.de/rzt/rzt/it/Ether.html

"if, in fact nothing else whatever were observable than the shape of the space occupied by the water as it varies in time, we should have no ground for the assumption that water consists of movable particles. But all the same we could characterise it as a medium."

"There may be supposed to be extended physical objects to which the idea of motion cannot be applied. They may not be thought of as consisting of particles which allow themselves to be separately tracked through time."

"The special theory of relativity forbids us to assume the ether to consist of particles observable through time, but the hypothesis of ether in itself is not in conflict with the special theory of relativity."

"According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is unthinkable;...But this ether may not be thought of as endowed with the quality characteristic of ponderable media, as consisting of parts which may be tracked through time. The idea of motion may not be applied to it."

Every time Einstein mentions motion as applied to the ether it is defined as the ether does not consist of individual particles which can be separately tracked through time. This is different than Einstein's definition of mobility as applied to the ether.

The ether of general relativity is mobile.

"It may be added that the whole change in the conception of the ether which the special theory of relativity brought about, consisted in taking away from the ether its last mechanical quality, namely, its immobility."

The mobility of the ether of relatiivty as determined by its connections with the matter is the state of displacement of the aether.

"the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places, ... disregarding the causes which condition its state."

The state of the ether as determined by its connections with the matter and the state of the ether in neighboring places is the state of displacement of the ether.

Displaced aether pushing back toward matter is gravity.

A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave.

Curved spacetime is displaced aether.

My guess is it is the state of displacement of the aether which keeps the puck where it is.

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Re: EU Breakthrough? - Gravity is Electro-Magnetic

Post by Aardwolf » Thu Feb 09, 2012 7:47 pm

mpc755,

My discussion was with Michael regarding his theory and although it appears yours is similar my points dont exactly seem relevant to what you are referencing.

Aardwolf.

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Re: EU Breakthrough? - Gravity is Electro-Magnetic

Post by mpc755 » Thu Feb 09, 2012 8:59 pm

Aardwolf wrote:mpc755,

My discussion was with Michael regarding his theory and although it appears yours is similar my points dont exactly seem relevant to what you are referencing.

Aardwolf.
Einstein's and de Broglie's definition of the state of the aether is the state of displacement of the aether.

Displaced aether pushing back toward matter is gravity.

A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave.

If you want to hide behind the misconception that aether consists of particles then that is your choice.

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Re: EU Breakthrough? - Gravity is Electro-Magnetic

Post by Aardwolf » Fri Feb 10, 2012 4:39 pm

mpc755 wrote:If you want to hide behind the misconception that aether consists of particles then that is your choice.
Where did I state that the aether consists of particles?

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Re: EU Breakthrough? - Gravity is Electro-Magnetic

Post by mpc755 » Fri Feb 10, 2012 7:06 pm

Aardwolf wrote:
mpc755 wrote:If you want to hide behind the misconception that aether consists of particles then that is your choice.
Where did I state that the aether consists of particles?
All you seem willing to discuss is a particle gravity theory.

Gravity is not caused by particles.

Gravity is caused by displaced aether pushing back toward matter.

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