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Re: EU Breakthrough? - Gravity is Electro-Magnetic

Post by Oracle_911 » Sat Feb 04, 2012 10:47 am

mpc755 wrote:
Oracle_911 wrote:
OK, incompressible superfluid, you are basically right. But every piece of matter is not just condensed aether, but it is filled with aether (believe me there is enough space between atoms for aether). How is the filled depends on the presence and intensity of electric fields, the temperature of its surroundings and how many matter is in its close vicinity. Because of that aether is highly inhomogeneous even in our local areas-that is the reason why Eötvös pendulum works.
Aether exists where particles of matter do not, including the space between subatomic particles.
Air is not matter, or other gases at low pressure? There are at least 4 states of matter, so why do you think i don't included them?
I already wrote the density of aether within matter is higher. Because matter suck up aether like a spong, and create areas with higher density. That doesn't means in vacuum in space or LHC is aether not there. Other hand in my theory the :subatomic particles" are halfassed byproduct of crash.
One more thing, if you heat objects it became less dense, it happens because you fill the matter with aether.
We might be having a chicken-or-egg conversation on this one. If you heat objects the particles of matter they consist of move around more and expand which allows for there to be more aether filling the spaces between the particles of matter.
Do you heard about thermoacustic heating/cooling. The acustic waves are in this case is IR radiation, the heat is like air. Search for the rest.
Well i already wrote the gravitation is like a surface tension (or something like that), it's bit inaccurate. Because the pressure on the surface of objects are the same as in their center (if we assume their temperature is everywhere the same as on their surface).

The pressure increases the further below the surface of the Earth you get. This is due to there being more displaced aether pushing back toward the center of the Earth.
The closer to the center of the Earth you get the more displaced aether there is pushing down toward the center of the Earth.

At the center of the Earth you would not experience gravity, as in, there is no where for you to be pushed to. The pressure exerted by the displaced aether toward and throughout you would be the same on all sides of you. However, the pressure of the displaced aether pushing toward you and throughout you would be greatest at the center of the Earth.

OK we live on the surface of the planet, but under the surface is sea of magma which is hotter and denser than the lithosphere and we don't know what is in the middle of the planet. But what i wrote don't necessarily beat what you assume. Think about that.

PS: You really should read my previous posts.
Standpoint of "scientists": If reality doesn`t match with my theory, than reality has a problem.

Sorry for bad English and aggressive tone, i`m not native speaker.

PS: I`m a chemist.

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Re: EU Breakthrough? - Gravity is Electro-Magnetic

Post by mpc755 » Sat Feb 04, 2012 12:09 pm

Oracle_911 wrote:
mpc755 wrote:
Oracle_911 wrote:
OK, incompressible superfluid, you are basically right. But every piece of matter is not just condensed aether, but it is filled with aether (believe me there is enough space between atoms for aether). How is the filled depends on the presence and intensity of electric fields, the temperature of its surroundings and how many matter is in its close vicinity. Because of that aether is highly inhomogeneous even in our local areas-that is the reason why Eötvös pendulum works.
Aether exists where particles of matter do not, including the space between subatomic particles.
Air is not matter, or other gases at low pressure? There are at least 4 states of matter, so why do you think i don't included them?
Air is made of particles of matter.

Aether and matter are different states of the same material. Aether has mass. Matter is condensations of aether.
I already wrote the density of aether within matter is higher. Because matter suck up aether like a spong, and create areas with higher density. That doesn't means in vacuum in space or LHC is aether not there. Other hand in my theory the :subatomic particles" are halfassed byproduct of crash.
There is zero evidence the aether which exists between the particles of matter in an atom is denser.

What is presently postulated as non-baryonic dark matter is aether.

There is zero evidence aether is not uniformly distributed throughout the Universe. All of the evidence to date in terms of the density of aether is evidence aether is evenly distributed throughout the Universe.

http://www.cfa.harvard.edu/news/2011/pr201129.html

"Their simulations show that dark matter should be densely packed in the centers of galaxies. Instead, new measurements of two dwarf galaxies show that they contain a smooth distribution of dark matter. This suggests that the standard cosmological model may be wrong."
One more thing, if you heat objects it became less dense, it happens because you fill the matter with aether.
We might be having a chicken-or-egg conversation on this one. If you heat objects the particles of matter they consist of move around more and expand which allows for there to be more aether filling the spaces between the particles of matter.
Do you heard about thermoacustic heating/cooling. The acustic waves are in this case is IR radiation, the heat is like air. Search for the rest.
Well i already wrote the gravitation is like a surface tension (or something like that), it's bit inaccurate. Because the pressure on the surface of objects are the same as in their center (if we assume their temperature is everywhere the same as on their surface).

The pressure increases the further below the surface of the Earth you get. This is due to there being more displaced aether pushing back toward the center of the Earth.
The closer to the center of the Earth you get the more displaced aether there is pushing down toward the center of the Earth.

At the center of the Earth you would not experience gravity, as in, there is no where for you to be pushed to. The pressure exerted by the displaced aether toward and throughout you would be the same on all sides of you. However, the pressure of the displaced aether pushing toward you and throughout you would be greatest at the center of the Earth.

OK we live on the surface of the planet, but under the surface is sea of magma which is hotter and denser than the lithosphere and we don't know what is in the middle of the planet. But what i wrote don't necessarily beat what you assume. Think about that.

PS: You really should read my previous posts.
You really should read my previous post.

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Re: EU Breakthrough? - Gravity is Electro-Magnetic

Post by orrery » Sat Feb 04, 2012 3:34 pm

Let us take it as a logical assumption that the Universe is infinite in size. This means that the observable universe is only an infintisimally small fraction of the Universe and the "aether" causes a sort of "photonic horizon" that prevents us from seeing further out with known observational techniques.

Given this, we must recognize that there is a "field of mass" and "energy sources" outside the horizon of the Universe that is "dark" to our sensors. It is also likely that our entire observable field of view is part of an even larger Flux Tube embedded in an even larger universe and that the effects of these interactions, as of yet to be fully explored, should be considered.

Given the possibility that our observable Universe is but an infintisimal fraction of the infinite Universe, there is plenty of sources of influence "out there" that we have yet to observe.
"though free to think and to act - we are held together like the stars - in firmament with ties inseparable - these ties cannot be seen but we can feel them - each of us is only part of a whole" -tesla

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Re: EU Breakthrough? - Gravity is Electro-Magnetic

Post by Aardwolf » Sat Feb 04, 2012 5:55 pm

mjv1121 wrote:An aether particle contributing to the gravitational effect would be deflected/reflected. Momentum cannot ever be lost, only transferred.
Just to clarify, does that mean the aether particle transfers some of its momentum to the matter particle it interacts with, hence slowing the aether particle?

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Re: EU Breakthrough? - Gravity is Electro-Magnetic

Post by mjv1121 » Sun Feb 05, 2012 2:18 am

Aardwolf,
the aether particle transfers some of its momentum to the matter particle it interacts with, hence slowing the aether particle?
Yes.

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Re: EU Breakthrough? - Gravity is Electro-Magnetic

Post by Sparky » Sun Feb 05, 2012 10:59 am

kinetic matter displaces solid, aether mass, transferring energy.?
aether mass exerting force upon kinetic baryonic matter, transferring energy. Yet with no apparent loss of momentum of kinetic baryonic matter.

aether exerts force in only in one direction, toward the solid kinetic matter that displaced it?. since aether is a solid, the force is transmitted away, transfered energy, a repelling force from baryonic matter, which must give up some of it's energy. but this does not appear to happen, rewriting the laws of physics!

non-baryonic aether mass "condensing" to form baryonic matter. Quantum Theory Magic?
""It is only magical nonsense to you because you have no idea what you are talking about.
ignorance?...well yes, you are correct. I should leave the speculating of magical theories to the delusional experts, who invent new physical laws, and who are indoctrinated in beliefs in the ad hoc patches to maintain failed theories..

Mine is a simple ignorance... Yours is a more organized and complex narrative. And I don't delude myself into believing mine as reality.
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Re: EU Breakthrough? - Gravity is Electro-Magnetic

Post by mpc755 » Sun Feb 05, 2012 11:40 am

Sparky wrote:kinetic matter displaces solid, aether mass, transferring energy.?
aether mass exerting force upon kinetic baryonic matter, transferring energy. Yet with no apparent loss of momentum of kinetic baryonic matter.

aether exerts force in only in one direction, toward the solid kinetic matter that displaced it?. since aether is a solid, the force is transmitted away, transfered energy, a repelling force from baryonic matter, which must give up some of it's energy. but this does not appear to happen, rewriting the laws of physics!
The aether is, or behaves similar to, a superfluid with properties of a solid.

'Superfluid Is Shown To Have Property Of A Solid'
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/19 ... 072958.htm

'Northwestern University physicists have for the first time shown that superfluid helium-3 -- the lighter isotope of helium, which is a liquid that has lost all internal friction, allowing it to flow without resistance and ooze through tiny spaces that normal liquids cannot penetrate -- actually behaves like a solid in its ability to conduct sound waves. ... "Faraday's finding was the first indication that light and magnetism were related," says William Halperin, professor of physics and astronomy at Northwestern. "I wouldn't say that our discovery is of that magnitude, but it is significant as the first observation of a previously unknown mode of wave propagation in a liquid -- one that is of the type you would expect to see in a solid."'
non-baryonic aether mass "condensing" to form baryonic matter. Quantum Theory Magic?
'Ether and the Theory of Relativity - Albert Einstein'
http://www.tu-harburg.de/rzt/rzt/it/Ether.html

"Since according to our present conceptions the elementary particles of matter are also, in their essence, nothing else than condensations of the electromagnetic field"

The electromagnetic field is a state of the aether.

Matter is condensations of aether.

DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT?' A. EINSTEIN
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf

"If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass diminishes by L/c2."

The mass of the body does diminish; however, the matter which no longer exists as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as aether.

Matter evaporates into aether.

As matter converts to aether it expands in three dimensional space. The physical effects this transition has on the neighboring aether and matter is energy. Mass is conserved.

When a nuclear bomb explodes matter evaporates into aether. The evaporation is energy. Mass is conserved.

A change in state of that which has mass is energy.
""It is only magical nonsense to you because you have no idea what you are talking about.
ignorance?...well yes, you are correct. I should leave the speculating of magical theories to the delusional experts, who invent new physical laws, and who are indoctrinated in beliefs in the ad hoc patches to maintain failed theories..

Mine is a simple ignorance... Yours is a more organized and complex narrative. And I don't delude myself into believing mine as reality.
Aether has mass. Aether physically occupies three dimensional space. Aether is physically displaced by matter.

Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward matter is gravity.

This is what Voyager found evidence of.

'NASA's Voyager Hits New Region at Solar System Edge'
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2011/de ... yager.html

"Voyager is showing that what is outside is pushing back. ... Like cars piling up at a clogged freeway off-ramp, the increased intensity of the magnetic field shows that inward pressure from interstellar space is compacting it."

'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory - Louis de BROGLIE'
http://aflb.ensmp.fr/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf

"any particle, even isolated, has to be imagined as in continuous “energetic contact” with a hidden medium"

The hidden medium is the aether. The "energetic contact" is the state of displacement of the aether.

'A quantum take on certainty'
http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110602/ ... 1.344.html

"Intriguingly, the trajectories closely match those predicted by an unconventional interpretation of quantum mechanics known as pilot-wave theory, in which each particle has a well-defined trajectory that takes it through one slit while the associated wave passes through both slits."

A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave.

In a double slit experiment the particle travels a well defined trajectory which takes it through one slit. The associated aether wave passes through both. As the aether wave exits the slits it creates wave interference. As the particle exits a single slit the direction it travels is altered by the wave interference. This is the wave piloting the particle of pilot-wave theory. Detecting the particle strongly exiting a single slit turns the associated aether wave into chop. The aether waves exiting the slits interact with the detectors and become many short waves with irregular motion. The waves become disorderly. The waves are disorganized. There is no wave interference. The particle pitches and rolls through the chop. The particle gets knocked around by the chop and it no longer creates an interference pattern.

'Ether and the Theory of Relativity - Albert Einstein'
http://www.tu-harburg.de/rzt/rzt/it/Ether.html

"the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places, ... disregarding the causes which condition its state."

The state of the ether as determined by its connections with the matter and the state of the ether in neighboring places is the state of displacement of the ether.

Displaced aether pushing back toward matter is gravity.

A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave.

Curved spacetime is displaced aether.

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Re: EU Breakthrough? - Gravity is Electro-Magnetic

Post by Aardwolf » Sun Feb 05, 2012 5:52 pm

mjv1121 wrote:Aardwolf,
the aether particle transfers some of its momentum to the matter particle it interacts with, hence slowing the aether particle?
Yes.

Michael
So does that mean that your theory predicts that over time gravity will dissipate until eventually none remains?

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Re: EU Breakthrough? - Gravity is Electro-Magnetic

Post by mjv1121 » Mon Feb 06, 2012 4:39 am

Aardwolf,
Aardwolf wrote:So does that mean that your theory predicts that over time gravity will dissipate until eventually none remains?
I was kinda waiting for the dumb question, but hey, perhaps you are right, maybe over trillions of years matter and aether will thermalise. However, I think the only safe assumption regarding the age of the universe is that it is already very very old and successfully operates in a steady state - localised variations notwithstanding. Therefore, rather than trying to be deliberately stupid, it would seem more likely that there are mechanisms in place that allow for the transfer of momentum from matter to aether, thereby maintaining a balance.

Can I assume that you are of the opinion that gravity is not caused by a physical mechanism?

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Re: EU Breakthrough? - Gravity is Electro-Magnetic

Post by Sparky » Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:47 am

mpc, you are repeating yourself, making bombastic, indemonstrable, dogmatic conclusions. You are speaking as if it is proven fact, a law!......Not a good symptom. :?

What evidence do you have that is specific to your thesis, that is, can not be evidence for an aether in general, if not for some other mechanism. That is, the examples given could point to more than one conclusion.

After all, a thesis needs supporting evidence, specific to it.
In short, wild ass speculations, supported by dubious evidence, at best, do not make their own a priori arguments.

If you feel a need to waste bandwidth by repeating yourself, try all caps., in bold... :roll:
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Re: EU Breakthrough? - Gravity is Electro-Magnetic

Post by mpc755 » Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:19 pm

Sparky, If you don't want to understand what occurs physically in nature to cause gravity then that is up to you. If you don't want to understand what occurs physically in nature in a double slit experiment then that is up to you. If you don't want to understand why there is an offset between the light lensing through the space neighboring moving galaxy clusters and the galaxy clusters themselves then that is up to you. If you don't want to understand what is outside of the solar system pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the solar system then that is up to you. If you don't want to understand the relationship between mass and energy then that is up to you. If you don't want to understand it's the Big Ongoing not the Big Bang then that is up to you.

Aether has mass. Aether physically occupies three dimensional space. Aether is physically displaced by matter.

Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward matter is gravity.

This is what Voyager found evidence of.

'NASA's Voyager Hits New Region at Solar System Edge'
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2011/de ... yager.html

"Voyager is showing that what is outside is pushing back. ... Like cars piling up at a clogged freeway off-ramp, the increased intensity of the magnetic field shows that inward pressure from interstellar space is compacting it."

The aether is, or behaves similar to, a superfluid with properties of a solid.

The galaxy clusters in the following article are not traveling with dark matter. The galaxy clusters are moving through the aether. The galaxy clusters displace the aether.

'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubbl ... ature.html

"Astronomers using NASA's Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark mater, which is somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the water."

The 'pond' consists of aether. The moving 'particles' are the galaxy clusters. The 'ripple' is a gravitational wave. The 'ripple' is an aether displacement wave.

The above is physical evidence of a moving 'particle' having an associated aether displacement wave.

'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory - Louis de BROGLIE'
http://aflb.ensmp.fr/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf

"any particle, even isolated, has to be imagined as in continuous “energetic contact” with a hidden medium"

The hidden medium is the aether. The "energetic contact" is the state of displacement of the aether.

'A quantum take on certainty'
http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110602/ ... 1.344.html

"Intriguingly, the trajectories closely match those predicted by an unconventional interpretation of quantum mechanics known as pilot-wave theory, in which each particle has a well-defined trajectory that takes it through one slit while the associated wave passes through both slits."

A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave.

In a double slit experiment the particle travels a well defined trajectory which takes it through one slit. The associated aether wave passes through both. As the aether wave exits the slits it creates wave interference. As the particle exits a single slit the direction it travels is altered by the wave interference. This is the wave piloting the particle of pilot-wave theory. Detecting the particle strongly exiting a single slit turns the associated aether wave into chop. The aether waves exiting the slits interact with the detectors and become many short waves with irregular motion. The waves become disorderly. The waves are disorganized. There is no wave interference. The particle pitches and rolls through the chop. The particle gets knocked around by the chop and it no longer creates an interference pattern.

'Dark Halo Around Our Galaxy Looks Like Squished Beach Ball'
http://www.space.com/7746-dark-halo-gal ... -ball.html

"Dark matter seems to shroud the remaining visible matter in giant spheres called haloes."

The Milky Way's halo is displaced aether.

"But the new study found that the Milky Way's halo isn't exactly spherical, but squished. In fact, its beach-ball form is flattened in a surprising direction perpendicular to the galaxy's visible, pancake-shaped spiral disk."

All of the aether displaced by the Milky Way matter pushes back toward the Milky Way. The pressure exerted toward the matter by the aether displaced perpendicular to the plane of the galaxy's spiral disk offset. It is the aether which is displaced outward relative to the plane of the spiral disk which pushes back and exerts inward pressure toward the center of the galaxy. This forces the matter closer together which results in the displaced aether looking like a squished beach ball.

Matter does not move with dark matter. Matter moves through and displaces the aether.

'Offset between dark matter and ordinary matter: evidence from a sample of 38 lensing clusters of galaxies'
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1 ... x/abstract

"We compile a sample of 38 galaxy clusters which have both X-ray and strong lensing observations, and study for each cluster the projected offset between the dominant component of baryonic matter centre (measured by X-rays) and the gravitational centre (measured by strong lensing). Among the total sample, 45 per cent clusters have offsets [greater than]10 arcsec. The [greater than]10 arcsec separations are significant, considering the arcsecond precision in the measurement of the lensing/X-ray centres. This suggests that it might be a common phenomenon in unrelaxed galaxy clusters that gravitational field is separated spatially from the dominant component of baryonic matter. It also has consequences for lensing models of unrelaxed clusters since the gas mass distribution may differ from the dark matter distribution and give perturbations to the modelling. Such offsets can be used as a statistical tool for comparison with the results of Lambda cold dark matter ( CDM) simulations and to test the modified dynamics."

The offset is due to the galaxy clusters moving through the aether. The analogy is a submarine moving through the water. You are under water. Two miles away from you are many lights. Moving between you and the lights one mile away is a submarine. The submarine displaces the water. The state of displacement of the water causes the center of the lensing of the light propagating through the water to be offset from the center of the submarine itself. The offset between the center of the lensing of the light propagating through the water displaced by the submarine and the center of the submarine itself is going to remain the same as the submarine moves through the water. The submarine continually displaces different regions of the water. The state of the water connected to and neighboring the submarine remains the same as the submarine moves through the water even though it is not the same water the submarine continually displaces. This is what is occurring physically in nature as the galaxy clusters move through the aether.

'Was the universe born spinning?'
http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/46688

"The universe was born spinning and continues to do so around a preferred axis"

The Universe spins around a preferred axis because the Universe is, or the local Universe we exist in is in, a jet; analogous to the polar jet of a black hole.

'Mysterious Cosmic 'Dark Flow' Tracked Deeper into Universe'
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/new ... 0-023.html

'The clusters appear to be moving along a line extending from our solar system toward Centaurus/Hydra, but the direction of this motion is less certain. Evidence indicates that the clusters are headed outward along this path, away from Earth, but the team cannot yet rule out the opposite flow. "We detect motion along this axis, but right now our data cannot state as strongly as we'd like whether the clusters are coming or going," Kashlinsky said.'

The clusters are headed along this path because the Universe is, or the local Universe we exist in is in, a jet.

The following is an image analogous of the Universal jet.

http://aether.lbl.gov/image_all.html

The reason for the 'expansion' of the universe is the continual emission of aether into the Universal jet. Three dimensional space associated with the Universe itself is not expanding. What we see in our telescopes is the matter associated with the Universe moving outward and away from the Universal jet emission point. In the image above, '1st Stars' is where the increase in pressure caused by the aether continually being emitted into the Universal jet causes the aether to condense into matter.

The following is an image analogous of the Universe, or the local Universe, we exist in.

http://www.astro.ucla.edu/planetarium/g ... ckHole.jpg

The following is an image analogous of the Universal spin.

http://i.space.com/images/i/612/i02/040 ... 1292259454

Dark flow is the aether emitted into the Universal jet. Dark energy is the change in state of the aether emitted into the Universal jet.

It's not the Big Bang; it's the Big Ongoing.

Einstein's definition of motion as applied to the ether is defined throughout the following article as the ether does not consist of individual particles which can be separately tracked through time.

I interpret Einstein's definition of motion as applied to the ether to mean it can not be known if ether consists of particles or not.

'Ether and the Theory of Relativity - Albert Einstein'
http://www.tu-harburg.de/rzt/rzt/it/Ether.html

"if, in fact nothing else whatever were observable than the shape of the space occupied by the water as it varies in time, we should have no ground for the assumption that water consists of movable particles. But all the same we could characterise it as a medium."

"There may be supposed to be extended physical objects to which the idea of motion cannot be applied. They may not be thought of as consisting of particles which allow themselves to be separately tracked through time."

"The special theory of relativity forbids us to assume the ether to consist of particles observable through time, but the hypothesis of ether in itself is not in conflict with the special theory of relativity."

"According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is unthinkable;...But this ether may not be thought of as endowed with the quality characteristic of ponderable media, as consisting of parts which may be tracked through time. The idea of motion may not be applied to it."

Every time Einstein mentions motion as applied to the ether it is defined as the ether does not consist of individual particles which can be separately tracked through time. This is different than Einstein's definition of mobility as applied to the ether.

The ether of general relativity is mobile.

"It may be added that the whole change in the conception of the ether which the special theory of relativity brought about, consisted in taking away from the ether its last mechanical quality, namely, its immobility."

The mobility of the ether of relatiivty as determined by its connections with the matter is the state of displacement of the aether.

"the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places, ... disregarding the causes which condition its state."

The state of the ether as determined by its connections with the matter and the state of the ether in neighboring places is the state of displacement of the ether.

"Since according to our present conceptions the elementary particles of matter are also, in their essence, nothing else than condensations of the electromagnetic field"

The electromagnetic field is a state of the aether.

Matter is condensations of aether.

DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT?' A. EINSTEIN
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf

"If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass diminishes by L/c2."

The mass of the body does diminish; however, the matter which no longer exists as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as aether.

Matter evaporates into aether.

As matter converts to aether it expands in three dimensional space. The physical effects this transition has on the neighboring aether and matter is energy.

When a nuclear bomb explodes matter evaporates into aether. The evaporation is energy. Mass is conserved.

A change in state of that which has mass is energy.

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Re: EU Breakthrough? - Gravity is Electro-Magnetic

Post by mjv1121 » Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:41 pm

mpc755,

Without any further repetition with cut and paste:

Could YOU please give us details of what a "superfluid" is? - we are dying to actually know what it is. How do the gravitational and charge forces within said medium combine to give it it's properties? what are it's properties?

What is the particulate velocity of your aether?
What is the mass of the aether particles?
What is the particulate and thus mass density the aether?

What do you suppose is the particulate velocity of your sub-aether?
What is the mass of the sub-aether particles?
What is the particulate density of the sub-aether?

I await some physics at your convenience.

Michael

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Re: EU Breakthrough? - Gravity is Electro-Magnetic

Post by mpc755 » Mon Feb 06, 2012 3:04 pm

mjv1121 wrote:mpc755,

Without any further repetition with cut and paste:

Could YOU please give us details of what a "superfluid" is? - we are dying to actually know what it is. How do the gravitational and charge forces within said medium combine to give it it's properties? what are it's properties?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superfluid

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supersolid

'Superfluid Is Shown To Have Property Of A Solid'
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/19 ... 072958.htm

"Northwestern University physicists have for the first time shown that superfluid helium-3 -- the lighter isotope of helium, which is a liquid that has lost all internal friction, allowing it to flow without resistance and ooze through tiny spaces that normal liquids cannot penetrate -- actually behaves like a solid in its ability to conduct sound waves."

The aether is, or behaves similar to, a superfliud with properties of a solid. Aether has mass. Aether physically occupies three dimensional space unoccupied by matter. Aether is physically displaced by matter. Aether displaced by matter pushes back toward the matter.
What is the particulate velocity of your aether?
What is the mass of the aether particles?
What is the particulate and thus mass density the aether?

What do you suppose is the particulate velocity of your sub-aether?
What is the mass of the sub-aether particles?
What is the particulate density of the sub-aether?

I await some physics at your convenience.

Michael
Einstein's definition of motion as applied to the ether is defined throughout the following article as the ether does not consist of individual particles which can be separately tracked through time.

I interpret Einstein's definition of motion as applied to the ether to mean it can not be known if ether consists of particles or not.

'Ether and the Theory of Relativity - Albert Einstein'
http://www.tu-harburg.de/rzt/rzt/it/Ether.html

"if, in fact nothing else whatever were observable than the shape of the space occupied by the water as it varies in time, we should have no ground for the assumption that water consists of movable particles. But all the same we could characterise it as a medium."

"There may be supposed to be extended physical objects to which the idea of motion cannot be applied. They may not be thought of as consisting of particles which allow themselves to be separately tracked through time."

"The special theory of relativity forbids us to assume the ether to consist of particles observable through time, but the hypothesis of ether in itself is not in conflict with the special theory of relativity."

"According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is unthinkable;...But this ether may not be thought of as endowed with the quality characteristic of ponderable media, as consisting of parts which may be tracked through time. The idea of motion may not be applied to it."

Every time Einstein mentions motion as applied to the ether it is defined as the ether does not consist of individual particles which can be separately tracked through time. This is different than Einstein's definition of mobility as applied to the ether.

The ether of general relativity is mobile.

"It may be added that the whole change in the conception of the ether which the special theory of relativity brought about, consisted in taking away from the ether its last mechanical quality, namely, its immobility."

The mobility of the ether of relatiivty as determined by its connections with the matter is the state of displacement of the aether.

"the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places, ... disregarding the causes which condition its state."

The state of the ether as determined by its connections with the matter and the state of the ether in neighboring places is the state of displacement of the ether.

Displaced aether pushing back toward matter is gravity.

A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave.

Curved spacetime is displaced aether.

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Re: EU Breakthrough? - Gravity is Electro-Magnetic

Post by Corpuscles » Mon Feb 06, 2012 6:20 pm

mpc755 wrote:
Displaced aether pushing back toward matter is gravity.

A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave.

Curved spacetime is displaced aether.

mpc755

With utmost intentions to be polite.

It seems you have had some sort of "light bulb moment" an epiphany of sorts?

I think you can count on several TB members having read, and thought as deeply as necessary, about your proposal.

But consider the age old proverb: "what does it profit a man to trumpet into a friends ear?" ( Louder and repetitiously)

I applaud that having seemingly (perhaps like us all) at some time, in some perhaps different manner , educated to accept THE Emporer - A. Einstein's gobblygook on GR and SR
His Leyden Lecture in part retracts, or clarifies some of it ( for many reasons I very much like re-reading it when it is contributed).

So good on you for acknowledging the aether and thinking about the consequences

However, your proposal or 'hypothesis' is lacking and has it's own considerable flaws.


1. Firstly there is no "curved space/time". It is a erroneously, abstract mathematically derived, UTTER nonsense!
(Despite Einsteins belated attempt to re-introduce or clarify the inclusion of an aether.)

2. Your model is vaguely but completely physically- mechanical. (like your, or borrowed analogies of water or "superfluids" . It does not seem to be "ELECTRIC"? This cannot be so as 'ELECTRIC' is the basic essential for all.

3. If "Displaced aether pushing back toward matter is gravity." Then consider the motion of any planet (eg Earth) consider that it's spin velocity, its orbital velocity, and our solar sytems greater galacitic orbital movement then your ...displacement/push back aether "gravity"wave.... IT (vectors) results in a complete incoherent mess!

4. A few of your claims found in several versions of your 'cut and paste' is that:
a)"Matter is condensations of aether.".....&
b)"Matter evaporates into aether".... ...&
c)"There is zero evidence aether is not uniformly distributed throughout the Universe. All of the evidence to date in terms of the density of aether is evidence aether is evenly distributed throughout the Universe."

Maybe you are thinking on on the right general direction? ;) Except (c) is seemingly incompatible to (a)& (b)....?

However .....now you have "condensed aether".... moving through ...seemingly less dense aether, which apparently has a greater "push" called gravity??????

Do you see the anomolies with that hypothesis ? If not please try!


Again I love reading stuff here IT IS ALL GOOD, even if some is absurd. But please keep thinking and especially reading EU stuff especially articles by Wal Thornhill.

I recommend this one

http://www.holoscience.com/news.php?article=gdaqg8df

Also ... to perhaps help cure you of obsession with "the emporer with very few clothes left ( a simple critique of SR):

http://www.heretical.com/science/dingle1.html

Cheers, I applaud your enthusiasm :)
Corpuscles

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Re: EU Breakthrough? - Gravity is Electro-Magnetic

Post by Aardwolf » Mon Feb 06, 2012 6:46 pm

mjv1121 wrote:Therefore, rather than trying to be deliberately stupid, it would seem more likely that there are mechanisms in place that allow for the transfer of momentum from matter to aether, thereby maintaining a balance.
That seems quite sweeping. As a particularly fundamental aspect of your theory I would have thought it to be quite important rather than stupid. Is that a half of your theory that you are willing to take on faith?
mjv1121 wrote:Can I assume that you are of the opinion that gravity is not caused by a physical mechanism?
Well of course its caused by a physical mechanism, but I have doubts about a push or particulate only mechanism, at least until someone can explain this;
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