The Problem of Spin
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Re: The Problem of Spin
I have yet to read Mead’s Collective Electrodynamics. But I am interested.
Here is a gentleman that disagrees with Mead.
http://www.math.umb.edu/~sp/books.html
I cannot say either way, considering I have not read Mead’s work yet.
Perhaps, JungleLord, you can see if any of these arguments hold up?
Here is a gentleman that disagrees with Mead.
http://www.math.umb.edu/~sp/books.html
I cannot say either way, considering I have not read Mead’s work yet.
Perhaps, JungleLord, you can see if any of these arguments hold up?
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Re: The Problem of Spin
I think I pulled as much from this book as I could. Those that bought the book maybe were left empty beyound what I found interesting concerning the dialogue between Mead and Feynman. The math in the book is not correct, that much I have confidence in saying as those smarter then me agree with the review of the math in the book. The principles however are still worthwhile observing.
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Re: The Problem of Spin
I think from QM standpoint there is a lot that can be proven wrong about the book, but that was not the point of the booklet. The most important things I learned from the book were:Discipline wrote:I have yet to read Mead’s Collective Electrodynamics. But I am interested.
Here is a gentleman that disagrees with Mead.
http://www.math.umb.edu/~sp/books.html
I cannot say either way, considering I have not read Mead’s work yet.
Perhaps, JungleLord, you can see if any of these arguments hold up?
1) EM phenomena arise from the interaction between 2 or more electrons, intuitively explaining the symmetry of time in EM equations.
2 )It also shows that coherent behaviour (resonance, energy transfers) come from coupled "wave functions" of electrons (extension of 1)
3) It allows to understand Maxwell as one 4D equation instead of a loose collection of coupled equations thought that has nothing to do with QM.
I'm not sure if the reviewer gets the point of the book. Mead tries to show that if you throw electrons around a (superconducting) loop and electrons are described by "wave functions", which he does not explain, that necessary the phases of the electrons waves have to line up, so you get quantum behaviour and that from this quantum behaviour you get coherent behaviour which leads to the EM laws. It is intended for new students, not for QM experts. Since it took me two years to understand the book, I wonder if it is suited for new students. It is definitely a more entertaining read than any book repeating the religious QM dogma's.
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Re: The Problem of Spin
I agree with Stephen. Quantum coherency leads to EM. These three simple yet profoud points cannot be understated. Symmetry, Coherency, Resonace, Wave Phase Relationship and a 4-D analysis with the scalar. Good things to know.
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Re: The Problem of Spin
StevenO has already linked an image from this site, but not their section on electron spin. This site was one of the first to inform me that my University Chemistry was missing much. The visuals realy help.
THE ELECTRON SPIN One wave. Two particles. Four phases.
THE ELECTRON SPIN One wave. Two particles. Four phases.
All electrons are perfectly identical, but their unique central antinode is a privileged one. The amplitude there can be positive while it is negative inside another one, but all antinodes will be present simultaneously.
This means that while one core is positive, another one can be negative. In other words, its phase is pi shifted with respect to the other. In the meantime, all other antinodes are present, but their position is lambda / 2 shifted. This means that two sorts of electron are possible. The electron spin does not refer to a mechanical rotation. It is the consequence of a phase rotation, and in order to achieve this all electrons must be perfectly synchronized.
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Re: The Problem of Spin
Excellent link. I really enjoyed the information. Ties together much of Stephens post, my post, APM. What do you think Stephen?
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Re: The Problem of Spin
As much as I love Gabriel's website, I do believe his pictures are not correct. An electron is not only a wave, it should be viewed as a solid particle in space and a multi-dimensional rotation in time, just like an atom. Gabriel is a wave mechanics guy by heart and that shows.junglelord wrote:Excellent link. I really enjoyed the information. Ties together much of Stephens post, my post, APM. What do you think Stephen?
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Re: The Problem of Spin
Be careful of using the word "solid" to describe electrons. No definition of "solid" that I'm aware of can be applied to electrons either in their structure or their behavior. If we mean "particulate", then we can talk about the behavior of the electron in terms of its field properties and interactions with other "particles", some of which LaFreniere has shown in a graphic way that is without equal. I also disagree [strongly] with some of his characterizations, but am like in spirit with what he trying to describe. I'm not a big "standing wave" guy, but there is little doubt that the geometry which he is modeling with waves is also responsible for electron structure. That is to say, waves necessarily accord with field geometry, but that field geometry has other manifestations than wavishness.
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Re: The Problem of Spin
A multi-dimensional scalar rotation is able to create a solid structure.webolife wrote:Be careful of using the word "solid" to describe electrons. No definition of "solid" that I'm aware of can be applied to electrons either in their structure or their behavior. If we mean "particulate", then we can talk about the behavior of the electron in terms of its field properties and interactions with other "particles", some of which LaFreniere has shown in a graphic way that is without equal. I also disagree [strongly] with some of his characterizations, but am like in spirit with what he trying to describe. I'm not a big "standing wave" guy, but there is little doubt that the geometry which he is modeling with waves is also responsible for electron structure. That is to say, waves necessarily accord with field geometry, but that field geometry has other manifestations than wavishness.
1. Take a motion of a point X, e.g. over a line AB in three-dimensional space.
2. Then assume that line AB is rotated around an axis perpendicular to it, and passing through point A.
3. This does not change the inherent nature or magnitude of the motion of point X, which is still moving radially outward from point A at the same speed as before.
4.What has been changed is the direction of the movement, which is not a property of the motion itself, but a feature of the relation between the motion and three-dimensional space.
5. Instead of continuing to move outward from A in the direction AB, point X now moves outward in all directions in the plane of rotation.
6. If that plane is then rotated around another perpendicular axis, the outward motion of point X is distributed over all directions in space. It is then a rotationally distributed scalar motion.
This is how matter is created from rotating photons. It weaves a web of matter. I'm sure Junglelord will agree...
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Re: The Problem of Spin
"...able to create a solid structure" does not equal "is a solid," as I view it.
However, the attributes of rotationally distributed scalar motion you are describing I have no argument with.
You have described what I would simply call field properties of the electron, some of which characterize light.
Here again I would caution against equating field properties of a structure with the solidity of the structure.
Unless you are synonymizing "solid" and "structure"... but if that is the case then the traits you are describing would be attributable to matter in any state. Why is this important at all? The topic of this thread is "spin"... much dialogue, and diatribe, has already been posted regarding whether "spin is a thing, or is the property of the thing... I'm just trying to keep the models somewhat distinct here.
However, the attributes of rotationally distributed scalar motion you are describing I have no argument with.
You have described what I would simply call field properties of the electron, some of which characterize light.
Here again I would caution against equating field properties of a structure with the solidity of the structure.
Unless you are synonymizing "solid" and "structure"... but if that is the case then the traits you are describing would be attributable to matter in any state. Why is this important at all? The topic of this thread is "spin"... much dialogue, and diatribe, has already been posted regarding whether "spin is a thing, or is the property of the thing... I'm just trying to keep the models somewhat distinct here.
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Re: The Problem of Spin
Well...the remark cannot be seen without context. The assumption is that motion (or its reciprocal: energy) is the basic component the universe is made of. If you rotate that in three time dimensions simultaneously you get the solid structures of energy that we call atoms.webolife wrote:"...able to create a solid structure" does not equal "is a solid," as I view it.
However, the attributes of rotationally distributed scalar motion you are describing I have no argument with.
You have described what I would simply call field properties of the electron, some of which characterize light.
Here again I would caution against equating field properties of a structure with the solidity of the structure.
Unless you are synonymizing "solid" and "structure"... but if that is the case then the traits you are describing would be attributable to matter in any state. Why is this important at all?
Indeed back to the topic at hand...the point I wanted to make also is that photons can rotate in 3 Dimensional time. Conventional physics uses the spatial projection of this only and factored out this temporal component of motion. Rotation in time has values which cannot be expressed directly in space, since the spatial interpretation of temporal speed is periodic (0-2PI), whereas the actual rotational speed is not periodic. Thus, conventional physics had to invent a device called "spin" to account for the discrepancy.The topic of this thread is "spin"... much dialogue, and diatribe, has already been posted regarding whether "spin is a thing, or is the property of the thing... I'm just trying to keep the models somewhat distinct here.
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Re: The Problem of Spin
Since they always talk about Magnetic Fields of Planetary Bodies in Gravity only Cosmology, one should become aware of the Dual Vortex and the forces at work in Magnetic Fields. Yes the E Field that creates it is what the EU is all about, but the true Nature of Magnetic Fields in and of itself is not known by the public. I mean to set that record straight for this forum.
I feel that digesting Howard Johnson's work on mapping magnetic pole vortices is the most important concept someone have to master before any predicted success can occur. You can still achieve success with what they tell you in books but you are flying blind and resting on luck when it comes to iron filings and 2-D magnetic field symmetry concepts ...
All known forces are symmetrical in nature, in that for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.
This symmetry we are taught that is universal and applies to everything including magnets.
That not true, either one of those Ideas.
Iron Filings show you NOTHING of the true nature of a dynamic magnetic field. They merely become little magnets themself in the Dynamic Magnetic Field. Magnetic Poles are not equal. These two misconceptions are hiding huge truths.
The 3-D and 4-D Magnetic Dual Vortex is something you cannot afford not to learn.
Since I started to do visualization of interacting and opposing vortices in my mind, conceptualisation went up 50%. And that is thanks to my researches on magnetic motors.
A magnet is: imbalanced forces in a balanced system.
On the North magnetic pole of a magnet, the North vortex is at 100% and the South vortex at about 80%.
On the South magnetic pole of a magnet, the South vortex is at about 120% and the North vortex at 100%.
This create a warp sphere of influence on the sides of the magnets and in the overall form of the vortex structures.
The reentry points of the magnetic vortices are possibly not in the center of the physical magnet. They may be displaced by as much as a ratio of 60/40.
If you learn this information and how to derive EM by the original 20 Quaternions of Maxwells EM Thesis, you will totally be able to take the next step to derive all Spin Domains.
This will allow you to be a master of Spin. The work of both Maxwell and Faraday are very clear.
The EM field is a Mechanical Field. It is a EM Gyroscope. All the rules of EM relationships are due to the mechanical relationships of Gyroscopes to induced pressure.
And who says a COMPLETE revolution is 360 degrees? Suppose a complete revolution was actually 720 degrees, which would be more in line with the asymptotic dimensional dynamics of quantum physics. Can you detect the corresponding principles involved in spin and velocity as they relate to matter and anti-matter? Imagine a sine wave itself, behaving within a traveling sine wave creating rift polarities from which dimensional energies find similarities within our environment, and express themselves accordingly.
This requires a pump. This requires a Gforce. APM has measured this Gforce via the Quantum Constants.
This is the cause of all Spin at all Levels. Spin is a harmonic of PHI at all levels.
Casting Out the Nines.
Now read this.
Spin In Space.
http://treeincarnation.com/articles/Spin-of-Space.htm
I feel that digesting Howard Johnson's work on mapping magnetic pole vortices is the most important concept someone have to master before any predicted success can occur. You can still achieve success with what they tell you in books but you are flying blind and resting on luck when it comes to iron filings and 2-D magnetic field symmetry concepts ...
All known forces are symmetrical in nature, in that for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.
This symmetry we are taught that is universal and applies to everything including magnets.
That not true, either one of those Ideas.
Iron Filings show you NOTHING of the true nature of a dynamic magnetic field. They merely become little magnets themself in the Dynamic Magnetic Field. Magnetic Poles are not equal. These two misconceptions are hiding huge truths.
The 3-D and 4-D Magnetic Dual Vortex is something you cannot afford not to learn.
Since I started to do visualization of interacting and opposing vortices in my mind, conceptualisation went up 50%. And that is thanks to my researches on magnetic motors.
A magnet is: imbalanced forces in a balanced system.
On the North magnetic pole of a magnet, the North vortex is at 100% and the South vortex at about 80%.
On the South magnetic pole of a magnet, the South vortex is at about 120% and the North vortex at 100%.
This create a warp sphere of influence on the sides of the magnets and in the overall form of the vortex structures.
The reentry points of the magnetic vortices are possibly not in the center of the physical magnet. They may be displaced by as much as a ratio of 60/40.
If you learn this information and how to derive EM by the original 20 Quaternions of Maxwells EM Thesis, you will totally be able to take the next step to derive all Spin Domains.
This will allow you to be a master of Spin. The work of both Maxwell and Faraday are very clear.
The EM field is a Mechanical Field. It is a EM Gyroscope. All the rules of EM relationships are due to the mechanical relationships of Gyroscopes to induced pressure.
And who says a COMPLETE revolution is 360 degrees? Suppose a complete revolution was actually 720 degrees, which would be more in line with the asymptotic dimensional dynamics of quantum physics. Can you detect the corresponding principles involved in spin and velocity as they relate to matter and anti-matter? Imagine a sine wave itself, behaving within a traveling sine wave creating rift polarities from which dimensional energies find similarities within our environment, and express themselves accordingly.
This requires a pump. This requires a Gforce. APM has measured this Gforce via the Quantum Constants.
This is the cause of all Spin at all Levels. Spin is a harmonic of PHI at all levels.
Casting Out the Nines.
Now read this.
Spin In Space.
http://treeincarnation.com/articles/Spin-of-Space.htm
If you only knew the magnificence of the 3, 6 and 9, then you would have a key to the universe.
— Nikola Tesla
Casting Out the Nines from PHI into Indigs reveals the Cosmic Harmonic Code.
— Junglelord.
Knowledge is Structured in Consciouness. Structure and Function Cannot Be Seperated.
— Junglelord
— Nikola Tesla
Casting Out the Nines from PHI into Indigs reveals the Cosmic Harmonic Code.
— Junglelord.
Knowledge is Structured in Consciouness. Structure and Function Cannot Be Seperated.
— Junglelord
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Re: The Problem of Spin
Since they always talk about Magnetic Fields of Planetary Bodies in Gravity only Cosmology, one should become aware of the Dual Vortex and the forces at work in Magnetic Fields. Yes the E Field that creates it is what the EU is all about, but the true Nature of Magnetic Fields in and of itself is not known by the public. I mean to set that record straight for this forum.
I feel that digesting Howard Johnson's work on mapping magnetic pole vortices is the most important concept someone have to master before any predicted success can occur. You can still achieve success with what they tell you in books but you are flying blind and resting on luck when it comes to iron filings and 2-D magnetic field symmetry concepts ...
All known forces are symmetrical in nature, in that for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.
This symmetry we are taught that is universal and applies to everything including magnets.
That not true, either one of those Ideas.
Iron Filings show you NOTHING of the true nature of a dynamic magnetic field. They merely become little magnets themself in the Dynamic Magnetic Field. Magnetic Poles are not equal. These two misconceptions are hiding huge truths.
The 3-D and 4-D Magnetic Dual Vortex is something you cannot afford not to learn.
Since I started to do visualization of interacting and opposing vortices in my mind, conceptualisation went up 50%. And that is thanks to my researches on magnetic motors.
A magnet is: imbalanced forces in a balanced system.
On the North magnetic pole of a magnet, the North vortex is at 100% and the South vortex at about 80%.
On the South magnetic pole of a magnet, the South vortex is at about 120% and the North vortex at 100%.
This create a warp sphere of influence on the sides of the magnets and in the overall form of the vortex structures.
The reentry points of the magnetic vortices are possibly not in the center of the physical magnet. They may be displaced by as much as a ratio of 60/40.
If you learn this information and how to derive EM by the original 20 Quaternions of Maxwells EM Thesis, you will totally be able to take the next step to derive all Spin Domains.
This will allow you to be a master of Spin. The work of both Maxwell and Faraday are very clear.
The EM field is a Mechanical Field. It is a EM Gyroscope. All the rules of EM relationships are due to the mechanical relationships of Gyroscopes to induced pressure.
And who says a COMPLETE revolution is 360 degrees? Suppose a complete revolution was actually 720 degrees, which would be more in line with the asymptotic dimensional dynamics of quantum physics. Can you detect the corresponding principles involved in spin and velocity as they relate to matter and anti-matter? Imagine a sine wave itself, behaving within a traveling sine wave creating rift polarities from which dimensional energies find similarities within our environment, and express themselves accordingly.
This requires a pump. This requires a Gforce. APM has measured this Gforce via the Quantum Constants.
This is the cause of all Spin at all Levels. Spin is a harmonic of PHI at all levels.
Casting Out the Nines.
Now read this.
Spin of Space.
http://treeincarnation.com/articles/Spin-of-Space.htm
I feel that digesting Howard Johnson's work on mapping magnetic pole vortices is the most important concept someone have to master before any predicted success can occur. You can still achieve success with what they tell you in books but you are flying blind and resting on luck when it comes to iron filings and 2-D magnetic field symmetry concepts ...
All known forces are symmetrical in nature, in that for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.
This symmetry we are taught that is universal and applies to everything including magnets.
That not true, either one of those Ideas.
Iron Filings show you NOTHING of the true nature of a dynamic magnetic field. They merely become little magnets themself in the Dynamic Magnetic Field. Magnetic Poles are not equal. These two misconceptions are hiding huge truths.
The 3-D and 4-D Magnetic Dual Vortex is something you cannot afford not to learn.
Since I started to do visualization of interacting and opposing vortices in my mind, conceptualisation went up 50%. And that is thanks to my researches on magnetic motors.
A magnet is: imbalanced forces in a balanced system.
On the North magnetic pole of a magnet, the North vortex is at 100% and the South vortex at about 80%.
On the South magnetic pole of a magnet, the South vortex is at about 120% and the North vortex at 100%.
This create a warp sphere of influence on the sides of the magnets and in the overall form of the vortex structures.
The reentry points of the magnetic vortices are possibly not in the center of the physical magnet. They may be displaced by as much as a ratio of 60/40.
If you learn this information and how to derive EM by the original 20 Quaternions of Maxwells EM Thesis, you will totally be able to take the next step to derive all Spin Domains.
This will allow you to be a master of Spin. The work of both Maxwell and Faraday are very clear.
The EM field is a Mechanical Field. It is a EM Gyroscope. All the rules of EM relationships are due to the mechanical relationships of Gyroscopes to induced pressure.
And who says a COMPLETE revolution is 360 degrees? Suppose a complete revolution was actually 720 degrees, which would be more in line with the asymptotic dimensional dynamics of quantum physics. Can you detect the corresponding principles involved in spin and velocity as they relate to matter and anti-matter? Imagine a sine wave itself, behaving within a traveling sine wave creating rift polarities from which dimensional energies find similarities within our environment, and express themselves accordingly.
This requires a pump. This requires a Gforce. APM has measured this Gforce via the Quantum Constants.
This is the cause of all Spin at all Levels. Spin is a harmonic of PHI at all levels.
Casting Out the Nines.
Now read this.
Spin of Space.
http://treeincarnation.com/articles/Spin-of-Space.htm
If you only knew the magnificence of the 3, 6 and 9, then you would have a key to the universe.
— Nikola Tesla
Casting Out the Nines from PHI into Indigs reveals the Cosmic Harmonic Code.
— Junglelord.
Knowledge is Structured in Consciouness. Structure and Function Cannot Be Seperated.
— Junglelord
— Nikola Tesla
Casting Out the Nines from PHI into Indigs reveals the Cosmic Harmonic Code.
— Junglelord.
Knowledge is Structured in Consciouness. Structure and Function Cannot Be Seperated.
— Junglelord
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Re: The Problem of Spin
Spin of Space
Observing the Observation
http://treeincarnation.com/articles/Spin-of-Space.htm
Observing the Observation
The current quantum scientific interpretation of the properties of an electron show that a 720° rotation is required in order to observe the electron making one complete cycle. Whereas in 'normal' space 360° is one complete rotation. But we will show, that this seeming curiousity is nothing more than the result of a misinterpretation of the very nature of space.
The anomalous 720° property of quantum systems seems to tell us that the behavior of the 'quantum world' differs from that of our everyday experience. But, however counter-intuitive it might seem, this 720° rotation is a phenomena which we too can experience.on a 'macroscopic' scale. You can test this out for yourself!
First you will need to be able to spin freely on the spot, you could be standing or sitting. To do this you could use a swivel chair. Then, while standing/sitting and facing a particular direction, make one full rotation of yourself - either clockwise or anti-clockwise. Now, something very odd has just happened. It seemed like you made one rotation, but believe it or not, two simultaneous counter rotations have just occurred!
Don't believe it ? Well, seeing is believing. So,.... what did you see?
The effect which you saw with your own eyes and the effect which is observed from some outside frame of reference were not the same. There are two rotational perspectives! One the inverse of the other!
Let's say that you start off facing 12 o'clock and begin to rotate clockwise. As you see it from your perspective, the landscape around you is moving opposite to the direction in which you intended your body to move. From your perspective, the landscape is moving from right to left, i.e. counter-clockwise. But why is it that, at the same time, you somehow 'know' that you are 'really' moving from left to right i.e. clockwise ?
In effect, you have accepted that you are moving with respect to your surroundings. We tend to think that this external fame of reference is more true than what our eyes are telling us. But perhaps not! Maybe this is a misconception. Perhaps both reference frames are equally true, and furthermore, perhaps neither one can exist independently!
Drawing on the points raised in this simple experiment, we can now begin to re-interpet the properties of space. Let's explore how we can model these complimentary rotational properties, by examining simple spherical rotations.
The Hidden Rotation from Within
The sphere is the epitome of perfect symmetry. In other words, whichever way you look at a sphere from the outside, it always looks the same. But, if we apply some sort of rotation to a sphere - in any direction, this simultaneously creates an 'axis of rotation'. This axis is an implicit result of applying a rotation to the sphere. and note that we 'spin' the sphere in one direction but the resulting 'axis of rotation' describes a different direction.
This rotation breaks the symmetry which once existed, because now we no longer have something which is identical when viewed from different directions. Now what we see is differenent from various angles, and there are definite northern and southern poles at either 'end' of the rotational axis.
Lets say that when we rotated that sphere from it's symmetrical state, you spun it 360°. This initial rotation formed the polar axis, which didn't exist prior to us spinning it. So when rotating the sphere by 360° angularly, we simultaneously created not just an axis, but an axis which is actually another angle! The polar axis is an angle. It's a 180° angle. We call this a straight line. But take care. This so-called 'straight line' is really a 180° angle!
And if we fail to realize that our initial rotation implicitly created a definite axial angle of 180°, we overlook an key intrinsic property of space.
We cannot ignore the effects which this angle produces on objects as we rotate them. So, instead of simply rotating the sphere by 360° and thinking nothing of it, we must include this additional polar angle of 180° in our understanding of spherical rotation. By so doing, we add a crucial element which we will now explore in further detail.
Adding the effects of this angle as a rotation on the sphere may not seem intuitive at first, but a perfectly aligned rotation -with no other influences- is impossible to observe in reality. All observed motions are continuously being acted upon by outside forces. A body in motion is acted upon by effects which are precessional, these effects are characterized by having a perpendicular orientation in respect to the initial direction. The 180° axial angle we've just been describing is at a right angle to the direction which defined the initial rotation. The fact is, there are no isolated events. All events are in motion and all events act upon each other precessionally. Now let's consider how to include the effect of this axial angle on the rotation of the sphere.
We can simply include this 180° axial angles effect to the total rotation of the sphere by rotating the sphere 180° in an axis which is perpendicular to itself. Now, the Cartesean 'X,Y, Z' axis are themselves perpendicular to each other, so whichever axis we assume for the 360° rotation we are left with two other axes which are both perpendicular to this. If, for example, our initial 360° rotation corresponded to a rotation in the 'Y' axis, then either the 'X' or 'Z' axis will carry the 180° axial rotation. Let's apply the 180° rotation to the 'Z' axis.
Due to the effect of the 180° 'tilt', the seemingly straightforward 360° rotation contains an additional angular component and thus the rotation of the sphere is no longer a complete cycle. The inherent axial 180° tilt causes an inversion of the sphere and in fact causes the poles to actually swap places - in the very process which created them!
If we place an arrow on the sphere as we begin the rotation, the arrow points in a particular direction. We can see that when the arrow comes back to the where it started, it is now orientated 'upside down'.
This simple demonstration shows the inherent mirroring property of space. This axial angle of 180° (produced from one circular rotation) appears like a straight line inside a circle. (There is a lot of symbolism appearing here, but let's not go into it just yet.)
Extending upon these initial observations we can go further to explore some of the underlying patterns made by spatial rotations. The initial rotation of 360° produced a 180° angle which was half of 360°. So the ratio was 2 to 1. But as the marker we placed on the sphere never completed a full cycle and was inverted when it returned, we would need to double our initial rotation to complete a single cycle.
Here, instead of 360°, we rotate by 720°. Therefore using the same ratio of 2 to 1, we must include an axial angle of 360° instead of 180°. Now, after two rotational cycles in one axis and one rotational cycle in the other, the marker returns to it's original position and orients in the initial direction again. This is the true nature of a quantum systems rotation. Where, in order to make one rotation and return to it's initial position, an electron rotation of 720° must occur (not 360°).
This suggests that our understanding of the basic properties and dynamics of space is incomplete. We are only aware of these properties and dynamics because the unavoidable nature of space reveals itself fully at the atomic quantum level. There is a clear connection between the spatial analysis which we have been exploring here and the 720° 'anomaly' which manifests in quantum mechanical systems. In fact, this experiment with spherical rotations may be the most accurate description of what really happens in an electron orbital.
The real world spinning chair demonstration with which we opened this article, shows that the two rotations comprising the 720° are the result of observation from an inside frame of reference and from an outside frame of reference. Two 'inverted' rotations have occurred. This process becomes unavoidably clear at the quantum mechanical scales, where only whole units of energy (and action) can occur. At the quantum level the effects of both the observed and the observer must be accounted for fully.
These simple demonstrations suggest that the spatial dynamics which apply to the quantum scales are the same as those which apply to our everyday experience. The rotations of electrons have been experimentally observed to have an intrinsic 720° rotation. Now you can experimentally test and prove that in your everyday experience, one full 'spinning chair' rotation requires a minimum of 720° in all. When we rotate ourselves around once, we find that achieving this requires a simultaneous clockwise and anti-clockwise rotation. (one from our perspective and the other from an outside perspective).
Even though we conceptually think of one single rotation having occurred, there is no getting away from the fact that two counter-rotations must have taken place. In this way, it becomes clear that the single 360° rotation only had status in a conceptual sense, i.e. it was a notional rotation. It may well be that the notion of an apparent single 360° rotation has a relationship to our concept of a linear passage of time.
All of this hints at the underlying reason for the confused 'special case' nature of quantum space. The bias of pre-quantum classical science was not to account for the subjective experiences of the observer, as if the observer was 100% uninvolved. But when it came to the unavoidable properties of quantum systems, the effects of 'observation' and the 'observer' suddenly cropped up. Now we see that a basic misunderstanding of the nature of space is why quantum space seemed to have propeties fundamentally different than the space of our day to day experience. We have exposed the hidden assumptions which gave rise to this confusion.
Continuing with the spherical rotations in more detail, we can see even more evidence which confirms that we are on the right track. If we trace the motion of the marking pointer by drawing the path of it's motion, we see that the pointer is outlining a very familiar form.
It's a tetrahedron!
The opened areas correspond to the faces of the tetrahedron, the areas where the path overlaps are congruent with the polar edges of the tetrahedron, while the peaks of the curves line up with vertices. This spherical rotation is describing a tetrahedron in 'waveform' !
Surely no mere coincidence. The 'simplest' of all space-occupying polyhedra is a tetrahedron. A tetrahedron has four triangular faces, where each triangle has 180°, giving the tetrahedron a total 'angular value' of 720°. So our method of rotating a sphere, which fully accounts for the effects of it's precessional axis, has defined the shape of the primal polyhedra.
Just for curiosity, suppose that the tetrahedral path that we have described here, was the 'path' describing an electron in the 'S' orbital of a hydrogen atom. Then what would we see if another electron were to complete the shell and stabilized the atom ?. Due to the Pauli Exclusion Principle, if the initial electron had the property of "spin up" then the second would have to be "spin down". To model this we could assume that this corresponds to two polar points on the sphere. If we now use two markers instead of one, and position them at opposite sides of the sphere, we will see the formation of new structure.
The effect of one tetrahedron interlocking with another of opposite orientation, is called a duo-tetrahedron or 'star tetrahedron'. And within the duo-tetrahedron is an octahedron. In order to highlight what the spherical rotations are describing, we've made the duo-tetrahedron more visible.
Just as a hydrogen atom with two electrons instead of one will create a more stable atom, the octahedron we see here is a more stable structure than the tetrahedron. Notice how the paths which make up the edges of each tetrahedron overlap to add strength to the structure. In addition, the poles of the octahedron add stability through the formation of an x pattern - where the paths 'cross-over'. This is reminiscent of the structural stability of a hen egg. We know the enormous strength in the polar areas of the eggshell. Holding an egg with the index and thumb on each pole, it's nigh impossible to crack the egg by applying pressure to these areas. So there is a consistency between our spatial explorations and real world structures.
Deeper explorations using this methology reveals a complex numerical and harmonic relationship arising from these simple spherical rotations. The nature of the polyhedra is revealed as the result of spherical rotations due to precession. This technique describes some of the fundamental platonic solids.
Untying the Doughnut
Have you ever noticed that when you spin a coin or a spinning top, the faster it spins, the less wobble there is - and the more noticeable the overall pattern. Leaving aside the physics involved, it's clear that when the coin spins fast, the visual effect resembles a sphere. The faster it goes, the more stable is that spherical pattern. But as rotation slows, a wobble begins. The previously upright vertical axis starts to lean. And as rotation slows the shape starts to look like a doughnut - or torus.
This is an indication that hidden rotational relationships exist between the sphere and the torus. The torus is composed of two radial components. One radius defines the 'thickness' of the ring of the torus, while the other radius defines the torus ring's distance from it's center (this radius defines how much of a 'hole' the torus has). Notice that if both radii were the same length, then the resulting torus will have an infinitely small hole at it's center.
But, if the radius which defines the ring's distance from the torus center is zero and the ring's 'thickness' remains, then the surface of the torus would overlap with itself and it's shape would be indistinguishable to that of a sphere. This is like the effect we see with a spinning coin. It was analysis of this structure which initiated my own explorations of spheres and their axial rotations.
Here we can see how two 'kissing' spheres rotating extremely fast around each other form a torus. Overlapping the two spheres as they rotate gives the effect of the torus 'growing' from the sphere (much like the spinning coin).
Extending upon this method, I noticed that if you imagine that the resulting torus is rotating infinitely fast on some other perpendicular axis, the result would be spherical again. Not only that, but the interior of this structure shows some surprising visual properties.
The 'vortex' at the center of the torus has rotated to
define a plane with two spheres implied on either side.
Note that a pattern shows up when viewing the structure from 'side on' which seems to suggest Fibonacci spirals. This model ties into our earlier exploration of simple spherical rotations. Even without the spheres showing, there are two spheres implied within the interior of this toroidal model. If we take those spheres and rotated them 720° around the Y (vertical) axis, the motion would describe the initial torus structure from the previous example. And if we then were to rotate by 360° through another axis, we would be describing the full model shown here. The underlying motion which these two spheres go through are the same as those which we saw when we rotated the single sphere by 720° and 360°. So, we can place two spheres into the torus structure and rotate them as described.
The tetrahedral pattern as described by two spheres
rotated by 720 and 360 degrees.
The two-sphere toroidal structure is helpful in visualizing how rotating a sphere along these precessionary axes can form a tetrahedral pattern. But there is another pattern which emerges from these same basic movements. When we applied rotational values to two axes, assigning 720° rotation to the 'Y'axis and 360° to the 'Z' axis, the resulting pattern was tetrahedral.
Suppose we 'flip' the rotations around, so that the axis which had the 720° rotation (Y), is assigned 360° and the axis which rotated 360° (Z), now rotates by 720°. This will invert -or mirror- the rotational values between the two axis. Surprisingly, the result is a new pattern!
Now instead of a tetrahedron, we see a 'double knot' type pattern. When viewed from various positions, this pattern reveals many interesting forms.
The same rotations applied to two spheres
producing the double loop pattern.
This new pattern arises through simply mirroring the number of rotations between the two axis, and is an extension of the mirroring nature of space seen before. The dual nature of these spherical rotations corresponds to the relationship between the observer and the observed.
The formation of these two patterns relates to the two frames of reference required for an event to take place. Just as when you spin on the spot creating two opposite rotations for a total of 720°. A similar process is at work here, creating both the tetrahedron and 'double knot' pattern. Depending on the axes to which you chose to apply the rotations, you get one or the other of these two patterns.
When you look at a clock face, obviously, you would see a clockwise rotation of the hands. If you imagine looking at that same clock face from behind, you would see an anti-clockwise rotation of the hands. Again, this is the difference between observing the clock from the outside and observing from the inside. The same happens when you look at a clock face in a mirror. It seems to advance anti-clockwise. These counter rotations are implicit, and create the tetrahedral and 'double knot' patterns. The same rotations are used, but the axes are mirrored.
Pysicists describing a rotation with vectors use a technique called the 'right hand rule'. This allows determination of the direction of rotation. If you hold your right hand out with your thumb pointing up (this will be the same direction as the associated vector), then when you curl your fingers, the direction in which your fingers curl will be a description of the direction which the vector is 'rotating'. This rule holds true only as long as your coordinate system remains 'right handed'. Technically, what has happened with this new double knot pattern, is that from our perspective, one of the rotations became inverted and went from an anti-clockwise rotation to a clockwise. You could even say that, with this inversion, we crossed over from a right-handed coordinate system into a left handed one (though technically we haven't changed coordinate systems).
This duality fits the minimum of two rotations which we have shown are needed to fully describe spatial events. So, if one pattern (the tetrahedron for example) relates to an inside frame of reference, then the other (double knot) pattern is the same structure viewed from the 'outside'.
So if one pattern is inside and the other is outside, perhaps these two might turn out to be descriptions of the nucleus and the electron of the atom! And as we delve further into the inner constituents of the atom, we find that the 720° property still present, showing that the two reference frames of 'observer' and 'observed' are omnipresent. Wouldn't this have consequences for theories dealing with the origins of life?
Summary
Not everything that can be counted counts,
and not everything that counts can be counted.
~ A. Einstein ~
Looking back at the history of modern science, the Copernican Revolution stands out as a major turning point. The fact that a heliocentric model of the solar system gave correct predictions for the motion of the planets had the effect of replacing the geocentric models of Ptolemy and disproving religious interpretations of the time.
"Nicolaus Copernicus, in his 'On the Revolutions of the Heavenly Spheres' (1543), demonstrated that the motion of the heavens can be explained without the Earth being in the geometric center of the system, so the assumption that we are observing from a special position can be dispensed with."
The success of this new model allowed Kepler, Galileo and Newton to make lasting contributions to modern science. But adopting the new heliocentric model and disposing of the old geocentric view was not without consequences.
The motion of the 'heavenly bodies' could now be elegantly and accurately explained without the Earth being at the geometric center of the solar system, but this implied that we are not observing planetary motions from some special, central position.
That the Earth rotates around the sun is objectively verifiable, but equally so that each individual observer is always experiencing its local environment from a unique central point of view. Every observer experiences it's unique viewpoint as the center of it's environment, and no two observers can ever experience that same frame of reference simultaneously.
However, from the surface of the Earth we each contribute to a collective point of view, which in itself constitutes a unique center. Collectively we have a frame of reference with the Earth at it's center. From here, we can see the sun and moon traverse the sky. And only from here can it be seen that a total eclipse causes lunar and solar disks to align perfectly - matched in apparent size. From here, we feel the immensely hot solar radiation as a mild heat on our skin and are protected from the inhospitabe cold of deep space.
Einstein's theory of relativity is a theory of motion as observed by different observers. But
what we have been describing here differs significantly. For a start, what we've described violates one of the fundamental rules of relativity: the constancy of the speed of light and it's upper speed limit. If we were to take the objective method of measuring speed and apply it to our example, we would end up with some very odd results.
In our real world example, when the observer makes a rotation, he/she observes the environment moving at great speed - even the slightest movement of the head results in the observer seeing the entire environment moving. But if we were to objectively account for the distances and velocities at which this environment is moving, we would end up in awkward situation. Imagine calculating the total mass of your environment and then accounting for it's observed movement in terms of distances traveled as you tilt your head. If you scan your eyes across the night sky, you will witness the stars moving faster than the speed of light!
The problem here is one of approach. It's not possible to objectively measure the unique experiences of the observer. There are two fundamentally different frames of reference. One is as seen (and experienced) from the inside and the other is as seen from the outside. The later of the two is governed by the objective method. But the unique experience of the observer can never be objectively known.
Think of it as akin to a poker player's hand which remains concealed from the rest of the players throughout the play. It's this aspect which is unknowable to the other players and which gives the player the freedom to bluff strength or weakness. Using this it is possible for the player to gain an advantage over the deterministic odds of the game. But more than this, the game would not exist without this privacy. It's this same privacy of each observer's unique experience that gives life the ability to leverage itself beyond the predicteable rules. It is through this freedom that life gains an edge over the deterministic and probabilistic laws of physics.
At this stage you might ask.... "What kind of physics is this?"
Well, who said it was all about the physical?
We can take another key perspective on the two counter-rotating movements, as described in the real world spinning chair experiment, to see what this implies about entropy and energy transactions. In the experiment, we noted the two points of view (POV) which produced the counter- rotating movements. One POV was from the perspective of the outside environment. Let's call this 'O-POV'. Then there was you, the inside, or the individual observer perspective, which we'll call 'I-POV'.
So, in brief, here is what happened. From the O-POV, the environment did not move, only the individual moved - clockwise. On the flip-side, from the I-POV, the individual did not move, while the environment did move - anti-clockwise. Notice that the sum total of this positive and negative action is a canceling out. The O-POV results in a plus one rotation for the individual, while the I-POV has a minus one rotation for the environment. The sum of the two is zero. It is 'normalized'. This is true for all motion. But if so, then what's the whole point of motion? Has anything been gained ? A lot has been gained, but before we get to that, let's fill in some extra details about the two transactions that have taken place.
In the experiment, the O-POV is the objective perspective. Fom here we can see that the energy required to make the individual rotate, started in chemical reactions within the individual's body. Food, water, air, etc. were converted into energy to be transported into the cells of the muscles. The energy was then used by the muscles to achieve the rotation. The end result was a dissipation of energy into the surrounding environment, in the form of friction and heat. This is in line with the well known mechanisms of entropy, i.e. the tendency for energy to dissipate from stored up (ordered) states.
Inversely, the internal I-POV had another kind of energy transaction which can be seen as a gain in ordered energy, but of a kind which is not easily quantifiable or measurable. If we trace the information (i.e. energy) which the individual received from the environment, we will find that the light from the environment has triggered impulses in the eye, which in turn causes a chain reaction of impulses which will end up as information relayed to the brain. This is as far as we can trace the physical forms of energy. The sensing mechanisms of the brain is where the trail ends.
But, we haven't said anything about the value which this information carried. It was the experiential knowledge of the environment which was of real value to the individual. It was the meaning the information portrayed which was important. The value of this kind of experiential knowledge is priceless to the individual yet is not measurable in terms of an energy gain. Even if we say that this information was merely transferred into memory, we still cannot disregard it's value to the individual. This is negative entropy, a gain which can not be physically detected. The value is what the information means to the individual's unique situation.
It's clear to me that the two counter rotations can be related to entropy and negentropy. There is an accumulation of order through a gain in experience and meaning, while a simultaneous dissipation of stored energy takes place in the environment. On the surface, it may seem that perhaps the sum total would be that the two processes simply cancel each other out and that nothing is really gained. But due to the constant 'non-physical' (metaphysical) increase of experience, there is always a gain. And even in purely physical terms, the dispersal of energy via entropy means that nothing is really ever lost.
Perhaps this means that time, instead of being a measurable linear phenomenon, repeating forever without change, can best be understood as experienced. Constantly changing and growing.
Appendix I
Rotational Ratios
There is one last 'twist' to the kinds of patterns which this method creates. If we increase the number of rotations upon each axis by equal amounts we get a faster moving sphere, but one which creates the same pattern. For example, to get the tetrahedral pattern we applied two rotations to the Y axes and one rotation to the Z. If we double the values to four rotations for the Y and two for the Z, we would still be using the same ratio of 2 to 1. The result would be the same shape, but at a higher frequency -so two identical tetrahedral patterns will be created over the same period of time.
It is only when we change the ratios of the rotational values that we will see new patterns emerging. Below are a few examples of some basic ratios, starting from the left, we see the original 2 to 1 ratio creating the tetrahedral pattern. Next is a pattern which has the ratio of 3 to 1, then next we see the 4 to 1 ratio, etc.
From left to right;
The ratios 2:1, 3:1, 4:1, 5:1, 6:1, 7:1
The patterns created from each of these ratio's reflect some of the interesting behaviors of number. We can see here that the even numbered ratios (2 to 1, 4 to 1, 6 to 1 etc.) have a lot in common. They all display spiraling paths, the number of which is double the number of their ratio. Four spirals from a ratio of 2 to 1, eight spirals from 4 to 1 and so on.
Conversely the odd numbered ratios had an different quality. The number of spirals associated with each odd ratio match perfectly. The 3 to 1 ratio has three spirals, the 5 to 1 has five, and so on. Notice how this comes about. Each ratio has the effect of either causing the spirals to re-trace their original path (add to each other), or to form only unique paths (separated). The result is that the odd numbered ratios have doubled-up spirals (where the path has re-traced itself), while the even ones have separated out spirals, where only a single path is created for each spiral.
These are not the only relationships we find here. When we flip the rotational values between the axes (where the ratio of 2 to 1, becomes 1 to 2 etc.) we get the 'double-knot' pattern instead of a tetrahedron. This holds true for all ratios and each ratio type produces unique double loops which themselves have even and odd properties. Needless to say, there is vast complexity within these relationships, but for brevity's sake, we only touch on a fraction of them here and unfortunately haven't yet applied this to harmonic ratios.
Justin Lawless ~ November 26th, 2007
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Re: The Problem of Spin
Well thats just brilliant. The Leverage Principle is now mine.
The Spin of Space link was a mind opener into quantum 4-D.
The Quantum Spin Cycle reveals everything!
Including the Leverage Principles.
The Axis is as important a cycle as the Equator.
A 360 spin is only 1/2 quantum.

Why is that?
Because the Axis is only 180!!!!!!!

Therefore the actual spin relationship is 1 = 720
Because then the Axis is 360.

This spin relationship draws out a Tetrahedron.
http://treeincarnation.com/articles/Vid ... Tetra.html
Now I know why the Earth Spins on its Axis by determined harmonic cycles.
Thats just brilliant.
When you spin clockwise, the rest of the world spins counterclockwise.
There are at the very miniumum two sides to every spin as all spins relate.
Unity is plural and at miniumum two.
This would be in perfect accord with Blazelabs Platonic Solids Electron Valence Shells.
The Spin of Space link was a mind opener into quantum 4-D.
The Quantum Spin Cycle reveals everything!
Including the Leverage Principles.
The Axis is as important a cycle as the Equator.
A 360 spin is only 1/2 quantum.

Why is that?
Because the Axis is only 180!!!!!!!

Therefore the actual spin relationship is 1 = 720
Because then the Axis is 360.

This spin relationship draws out a Tetrahedron.
http://treeincarnation.com/articles/Vid ... Tetra.html
Now I know why the Earth Spins on its Axis by determined harmonic cycles.
Thats just brilliant.
When you spin clockwise, the rest of the world spins counterclockwise.
There are at the very miniumum two sides to every spin as all spins relate.
Unity is plural and at miniumum two.
This would be in perfect accord with Blazelabs Platonic Solids Electron Valence Shells.
It's a tetrahedron!
The opened areas correspond to the faces of the tetrahedron, the areas where the path overlaps are congruent with the polar edges of the tetrahedron, while the peaks of the curves line up with vertices. This spherical rotation is describing a tetrahedron in 'waveform' !
Surely no mere coincidence. The 'simplest' of all space-occupying polyhedra is a tetrahedron. A tetrahedron has four triangular faces, where each triangle has 180°, giving the tetrahedron a total 'angular value' of 720°. So our method of rotating a sphere, which fully accounts for the effects of it's precessional axis, has defined the shape of the primal polyhedra.
Just for curiosity, suppose that the tetrahedral path that we have described here, was the 'path' describing an electron in the 'S' orbital of a hydrogen atom. Then what would we see if another electron were to complete the shell and stabilized the atom ?. Due to the Pauli Exclusion Principle, if the initial electron had the property of "spin up" then the second would have to be "spin down". To model this we could assume that this corresponds to two polar points on the sphere. If we now use two markers instead of one, and position them at opposite sides of the sphere, we will see the formation of new structure.
If you only knew the magnificence of the 3, 6 and 9, then you would have a key to the universe.
— Nikola Tesla
Casting Out the Nines from PHI into Indigs reveals the Cosmic Harmonic Code.
— Junglelord.
Knowledge is Structured in Consciouness. Structure and Function Cannot Be Seperated.
— Junglelord
— Nikola Tesla
Casting Out the Nines from PHI into Indigs reveals the Cosmic Harmonic Code.
— Junglelord.
Knowledge is Structured in Consciouness. Structure and Function Cannot Be Seperated.
— Junglelord
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