The Problem of Spin

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Re: The Problem of Spin

Post by StevenO » Sat Jun 07, 2008 10:45 am

arc-us wrote:
Plasmatic wrote:Say Steven where is the "other thread" located ?
This one? http://thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/v ... t=45#p6290 What is Real/Material from Non-material
No, it is actually here: http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpB ... 3&start=15
Discussions about this "Oneness" mostly spin out into nothing so I rather not start it, but if you read the "Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy", you could appreciate that one can show that our whole universe can be created from perfect symmetry, an understanding of fractal behaviour and one number that breaks this symmetry: 1/68.5018...
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Re: The Problem of Spin

Post by bboyer » Sat Jun 07, 2008 11:03 am

StevenO wrote:No, it is actually here:
Ok, thanks. The nature of all forums and real-life conversation. Like trying to herd a bunch of cats, as I've heard it frequently expressed, trying to keep track of what wanders in, about, and through the numerous threads across various forums.
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Re: The Problem of Spin

Post by junglelord » Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:34 am

Interesting discussion about primary angular momentum and physics, sounds like APM's Gforce with a expanding and contracting fundamental universal force and a proper analysis of what primary angular momentum derives from that expansion and contraction and the creation of matter via this model.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... mein&hl=en

This invertiably leads to a need to understand Tensegrity....this is so cool.
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Re: The Problem of Spin

Post by Divinity » Wed Jul 23, 2008 4:50 pm

Thanks Junglelord - just watching the third video in the series, I was very surprised to hear what Nassim was saying about a Universe of Information exchange. He related 'expansion and contraction' a little like how I related to Muser about emanating information outwards to the Universe and getting instantaneous, live, feedback back from It (i.e. sentients radiate outwards to everything but receive feedback directly akin to a thunderbolt).

I am not sure if his expansion and contraction are the same as your Tensegrity pull/push but it could be. The fundamental message from him was that we (and all else) radiate (expand) and gather in (contract) Information. "It's a to and fro Information Universe" , "Consciousness and Information Theory are Feedback". He's right...we do receive feedback from the external world!

Do you realise how revolutionary this belief is? This, in itself, could turn the world on its head, now that the physicists are putting it 'out there', LOL! :D

Love Divinity

p.s. He construes this as the 'Universe learning about Itself'. I believe there has to be a continuous exchange of information in order for the Universe to support life and maintain it. Equally, the feedback the Universe gets from all life changes It...it's a complex system, as you say, symbiotic and ever-changing.

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Re: The Problem of Spin

Post by junglelord » Wed Jul 23, 2008 7:25 pm

Consciousness theory is making headway with fascial science in particular. Fascia is a tensegrity structure and is a liquid crystal. This is the wave of the future.

He does a good job talking about and explaining angular momentum. Something some people have a hard time wrapping their heads around. But like he points out, ask a physcist what is angular momentum and he really cannot tell you from where it comes from or why its there. Sure he can tell you its measurement and all kinds of observations about it, but he cannot tell you where it came from or why its there.

The understanding of angular momentum as the exhange between photons and electrons rather then energy is a important concept to understand. Primary angular momentum is the fundamental quantum constant that is the backbone of APM. If we do not understand why every single sub atomic unit has angular momentum and what that means at a fundamental level then we cannot explain things we observe. Sure a electron has 1/2 spin but never will it stop, no matter how cold it gets. So this is not the spin of Newtonian Mechanics, this is something very different and fundamental and important to understand. Primary angluar momentum is the source of matter as it is the discontinuous member of the tensegrity principle applied to the continuous charge of the EU and the continuous aether units. Continuous tension member with discontinuous compression members, Volia tensegrity makes matter. Just like Buckminster Fuller stated and was echoed by me after a huge revelation a few months ago.
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Re: The Problem of Spin

Post by junglelord » Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:42 am

After watching this four hour piece by Nassim Haramein, I totally was smacked in the face of how the conductance of the Aether as explained in APM is shouting out at you at one hour in to the conversation when he speaks about renormalization of the vacuum flux. This is an important fact of APM and really is shouting out at you when he gets into this renormalization of the infinite vacuum into a finite number, cough!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... mein&hl=en

granted he misses it himself and goes into the Scharwschild Radius and black holes and Einsteins field equations.
Of course we all know that the Scharwarschild Radius does not create a black hole and infact this is a math mistake that has been purportrated for almost a century. Yes it has been identified as a total error, but no one really wants us to know that, for some reason connected to powers beyond our control.
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Although he is going into the geometry of angular momentum and its getting good when you realize as he points out that angular momentum causes radiation......yes compression, causes expansion....very cool. The smallest quantum fundamental is not a radiation, it is a angular momentum. Yin and Yang in perfect balance. He got there after talking about centrifugal force, pretty cool.
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Re: The Problem of Spin

Post by junglelord » Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:53 am

Well thats interesting, 1:25 into the talk and its into Buckminster Fuller....
wow I actually never expected that, sure I saw it, but I did not know that he was leading up to it....very very good teacher, he teaches like me.
:D

It helps alot to be pre-aware of these concepts, then to follow him speak with no pre-awareness. I notice the crowd just got silent....as with most students, its a brand new concept to almost everyone.
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Re: The Problem of Spin

Post by junglelord » Thu Jul 24, 2008 3:36 pm

Nice to see at 2 hours in he totally discredits dark matter and its nice to see how much its a blazing error that is evident to even the average person. Personally I never believed them when it came to Dark Matter, my gut never liked it
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... mein&hl=en
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Re: The Problem of Spin

Post by junglelord » Fri Jul 25, 2008 6:47 am

My overall review of the four hours is lots of brownie points for agreement with my own personal baggage and bias which does agree with APM. However his black hole within black hole statements are not even close to be correct. Sure there is some total improper terminology, where he goes off track, but for the most part he makes some good observations about geometry and the vacuum.

He is trying to explain why the vacuum geometry is expressed in the geometry of subatomic particles, atoms, lifeforms, galaxies. The spiral vortex, branching networks, PHI, pi, fractals, infinity, its all there in black in white, with the aether charge sphere, the tubular luxosome, angular momentum, tetrahedrons.

Its quite convincing when you watch the sperm and egg start to divide. when it splits from two to four, it forms a tetrahedron, not a cube. When it gets to 64 dual opposite tetrahedral geometric cell division positions it starts to differentiate into specific tissue only after that point, until then it is only stem cells. This re-occurs until your a total human. A sphere with 64 tetrahedrons is his base model because its what nature expresses from sperm and egg to developed baby.

He claims this is also expressed in the 64 codons that code for the 20 amino acids from the 4 base pairs of DNA. He says that the vacuum geometry is a sphere with a dual 64 tetrahedron at its center, two opposite equals compressed. He says that this and the hexagon (which is the world of nanotech right now) are the first two geometries from the vortex and the sphere as it implodes. You must admit that angular momentum is constant compression, which is his implosion. This creates the electon cloud formations which resemble the flower of life due to this inherit geometry of the vacuum and the effects of implosion on it, which both he and APM state are pi and PHI.
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Re: The Problem of Spin

Post by junglelord » Fri Jul 25, 2008 8:56 am

One important thing he pointed out I did not speak on is the 2D analysis of a oscilloscope vs the 3D analysis of our four degrees of freedom. He shows how the earth actually traces out the path of the luxodrome around the sun as it moves, that was pretty cool as I never actually had put that piece back in the puzzle. But he is quite correct in his observation. So the model they teach in school of the stationary sun with the circular or eliptical paths is not true as that is a 2D false impression. The 3D model would actually resemble the shape of a luxodrome as the earth travels around the sun in a corkscrew fashion as it travels around the galaxy, like the shape of a coiled wire inductor, or the path of the magentic field around a current. My vector images from Wilbet Smith spring instantly to mind!
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WOW! The earth and the planets travel in a luxodrome path around the sun like a magentic field around a current! A circular mass tracing out a path around a charged sphere, a APM aether unit. Feaking hey, wow...
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Remember Howard Johnson showed the 3D magnetic north and south to be vortex's, not anything like the 2D field lines we are so familiar with, thats just incredible! I got the biggest synesthesia, WOW! 3D Fractal, wow, totally cool. Angular momentum expresses the geometry of the vacuum and that is re-expressed at every level. Thats just incredible. When you remove the deceptive 2D false models of circular orbits and magnetic field lines and oscilloscopes and actually reveal the true 3D model with four degrees of freedom over time the repeating fractal just smacks you in the face....do you see what I just saw>? I can totally see the geometry of the vacuum now in living colour and 3D (our view), 5D (APM space-resonance), 10D (APM all dimensional existance).

WOW, the repeating fractal is the geometry of the vacuum! That truly is the TOE. Its that simple. Existance is forced to follow the geometry of the vacuum from which it came.
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Re: The Problem of Spin

Post by junglelord » Thu Jul 31, 2008 4:51 pm

There is only ONE reality in our universe, and that is the concept of SPIN,
Wilbert Smith


Thats a slap in the face to some peoples ideas....
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I find it so interesting that he was fascinated with rotating magnetic fields.
Wilbert Smith Background

Who was he?

Smith began UFO studies in 1950, and continued the work until his death in December 1962. He was only 52 when he died.

He was the Senior Radio Engineer at the Department of Transport 1950, when Project Magnet began. Smith worked on the communications side of the department. It later became The Department of Communications. It was the equivalent to Federal Communications Commission in the United States.

He held a Master’s Degree in Electrical engineering, and took many more courses on advanced physics and mathematics.

Smith was responsible for the engineering aspects of all matters concerning the use of radio in Canada, including equipment standards, radio relay systems (micro-wave), broadcast facilities and interference studies.

Smith read a magazine article on 'Flying Saucers' in the late 1940s and from then on he took a great interest in investigating flying saucers or UFOs.

Smith wrote two science novels.

Smith ran "Radio Ottawa" which was the place where Canadians spies radioed in, and where the Canadians intercepted Soviet communications. Being in charge of this put Smith in a position where he was trusted to keep the most highly classified secrets.

Smith allocated radio frequencies for AM/FM radio, and for the intelligence agencies who also used radio frequencies.

1956 -superintendent of Radio Regulations Engineering. Being promoted after the shut down of Project Magnet clearly indicated that the Canadian government held Smith in high esteem, and did not think he was crazy as some have maintained over the years.

1957 Smith sat on the coordinating committee of the international geophysical year. He therefore had contact on leading edge scientific problems with many Americans and scientists from the Soviet Union who where also a part of the IGU program.

Project Magnet

Magnet was the official flying saucer investigation by the Canadian government. It was headed up for the four years it was operational by Wilbert Smith.

The program began after Smith wrote a Top Secret memo to the Deputy Minister of Transport for Air services C.P. Edwards, and the Assistant Minister J.R. Baldwin.

The Top Secret memo described a possible new propulsion system powered by the earth’s magnetic field. Smith felt that this was the principle being demonstrated by the flying saucers.

In a series of "discreet inquiries" in the United States Smith was able to discover five key points about flying saucers, based on what he was told about the American flying saucer program.

1) The matter of UFOs was the most highly classified subject in the US, rating higher than the H-bomb

2) Flying saucers exist

3) Their modus operandi is unknown, but concentrated effort is being made by a small group headed by Dr. Vannevar Bush, (Of 'MJ12' fame)

4) The entire matter is considered by US authorities to be of tremendous significance.

5) There were a number of other things including "mental phenomena" that were being studies because of their possible link to the saucers.


Project Magnet Interim Report

Classified 1953. Not declassified till 1979. The conclusions of the report were as follows:

Based on strict statistical analysis Smith team determined that there was a 91% probability that the objects are real, and a 60% probability that they are alien vehicles.

The report sat on the Prime Minister’s desk for three months. At the end of the period Prime Minister Louis St. Laurent determined that the time for the release of such a report was not right, and Wilbert Smith apparently went along with the decision.

1959 Smith wrote to a man who was attempting to pry the Project Magnet report loose. Smith wrote "You will recall last March that I didn’t think you had the proverbial snowball’s chance of prying it loose. No minister in his right mind is going to release ANY report which in any way might prove embarrassing or give rise to questions which he or his colleagues might find difficult to answer.

Flying Saucer Observatory

Set up in spring 1953 to detect and measure simultaneously gamma radiation, radio noise, magnetic variations, and gravity variations. Also an ionospheric detector to determine if anything is overhead.

Observatory and Project magnet were both shut down on August 10, 1954 after Smith detected an object flying over the station on August 8. Smith stated that the object might have been a flying saucer. The press reports centered on the fact that an official ( Wilbert Smith) had confirmed a flying saucer over the nation’s capitol. The publicity was so bad that the Canadian government could take it no longer. They shut down the project and Smith was forced to carry on in his spare time.

He was however still given access to any government labs for his scientific work on flying saucers.

Project Second Story

Project Second Storey was a Department of defense secret project was initiated by Dr. Omond Solandt to get to see if they could find out anything about these flying saucers.

The committee of high ranking officers from various departments was chaired by Dr. Peter Millman, who was the Director of the Dominion Observatory in Ottawa.

Six meetings were held over the period 52-54. The project, often written up as some big secret effort to attain an answer to flying saucers, was actually a whitewash effort to make the whole phenomena to go away.

Of the members of the Second Storey committee, only Smith attended all of the six meetings. A quick review of the notes will show that many of the other top-ranking officers only attended one of two meetings. Moreover, the Second Storey records show that Smith is the only one who actually did any talking about what to do. The rest appeared just to sit in the meeting and listen.

Wilbert Smith also used spinning magnets to alter the rate of time, which he achieved under Project Magnet of the late '50s and early '60s. Time as a field function is NOT the same function as registered by our clocks, which record the changing entropy of a system, but is the function which makes this happen.

There is only ONE reality in our universe, and that is the concept of SPIN, and from this derive twelve dimensions. Twelve dimensions are necessary and sufficient to express our universe in its entirety.

Dimensions must include, as well as their vector direction, the component of reality in that direction for without the reality there would be no dimension.

Dimensions are arranged in four fabrics of three each, linked by a "quadrature concept". This is the structure that Relativity strives for by introducing the [square root of -2] between the space and time axis.

The concept of force is a fiction which we invented to stultify our thinking. It is merely a coverup for our lack of understanding of the interaction of reality.

The foregoing will probably sound most sacreligious to the ears of orthodoxy, but I don’t mind in the least if these ideas are not immediately subscribed to. Science has a long and lurid history of reluctance to accept ideas which subsequently proved to be of great value.

We are progressing quite well in our gravity research, and ran our unit for the first time on October 26. The effect was measured on a precision chemical balance, when a brass weight increased from 24.4623 grams to 24.4628 grams when active material ( cubic inch of aluminum) was 10 inches directly under the weight. Needless to say we have much yet to do and as soon as we have some relationships established we will prepare a suitable paper, a copy of which I will send you if you are interested.

Our laboratory experiments have allowed us to make about a 1% change in the weight of objects --- we can make them about 1% heavier or 1% lighter. Now that is a long way from holding a spacecraft up, because we have to go over 100% to do that. But the fact that we can do it

http://www.presidentialufo.com/smith1.htm
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Re: The Problem of Spin

Post by Solar » Thu Jul 31, 2008 6:11 pm

junglelord wrote:He shows how the earth actually traces out the path of the luxodrome around the sun as it moves, that was pretty cool as I never actually had put that piece back in the puzzle. But he is quite correct in his observation. So the model they teach in school of the stationary sun with the circular or eliptical paths is not true as that is a 2D false impression. The 3D model would actually resemble the shape of a luxodrome as the earth travels around the sun in a corkscrew fashion as it travels around the galaxy, like the shape of a coiled wire inductor, or the path of the magentic field around a current...

WOW! The earth and the planets travel in a luxodrome path around the sun like a magentic field around a current! A circular mass tracing out a path around a charged sphere, a APM aether unit. Feaking hey, wow...


Hmmm...

You might find these interesting in relation to that:

Jupiter's Orbit Eccentricity Precession, Last 10 Myr

Jupiter's Orbit Eccentricity Precession, Last Million Years
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Re: The Problem of Spin

Post by junglelord » Fri Aug 01, 2008 8:15 am

Looks like spirograph.
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Re: The Problem of Spin

Post by StevenO » Fri Aug 01, 2008 4:06 pm

junglelord wrote:Looks like spirograph.
The solar system shows proportions related to particles travelling in a (galactic) whirlpool. The sun reflects the eye of the storm and the planets spiral through paths swirling in time. No wonder it sometimes looks chaotic. Father time knows better though ;)
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Re: The Problem of Spin

Post by junglelord » Thu Aug 07, 2008 6:59 pm

Naw its not chaotic, but only 2-D, thats kinda all I meant. Now that I see the orbits in 3-D or 4-D it clear that the double luxodrome is the common motion.
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