What is time?

[Influx]

But the movement of what? I sense it is the movement of the STUFF flowing on straight carrier sheets, the mass is nothing but the consequence, and needs to be removed from the picture , to better comprehend what is moving, imo.

The electric universe is powered by electric currents, which is controlled by simple inherent laws of the structure of space and MASS that is in space. We do not know or understand what the "space structure" is made up of, we can only observe that the plasma flow in space behaves in a similar manner over and over again. SO scientists say there are constants in the universe. Energy can NOT be seen in the universe! Only the energies EFFECT on MASS that is located in space can be seen! When scientists claim they have detected energy flows in space, what they really are measuring is the effect of energy on mass! Tiny subatomic mass in case of electric currents! When we detect radio waves, we are really measuring the vibration of electrons in the structure of the antenna! We can not have movement without something to move. Energy IS movement of MASS, transmitted through the universe through humongous electric and plasma currents! For example, even light, which most people think of as energy, is really the movement of tiny particles, the photons! Electromagnetic radiation is said to be a vibration, which is movement in the volume of space! Where from does this "energy" movement come from is unknown as the EU does not claim to know where the origin of electric currents in the universe are. All the dogmatic academia baloney aside, we honestly have absolutely no idea what is space and what it is made out of! The same can be said and is true for the various mass that is in this space. All the countless theory's and mad ideas aside we are COMPLETELY clueless. We really know and understand a lot less, A LOT, than scientist claim to understand! Each one of us has a pet theory, otherwise we would not be here, but rather, instead of debating those theories lets honestly investigate what the OBSERVABLE universe is and not project our conditioning, ideas, religious beliefs, metaphysics and politics onto that investigation!

[Influx]

HERE ARE SOME OF MY THOUGHTS THAT I WROTE ABOUT SEVERAL YEARS AGO IN A LATTER TO A STAUNCH SUPPORTER OF THE STANDARD MODEL.

We exist and live in a volume of space. That we are aware of it, that is all we know about it, space itself. By space I mean the fabric of the volume of which it is made of. Whatever you may believe, we practically know nothing about it’s workings and function.
The last few hundred years scientists have intently studied the sky above and yet have absolutely nothing to show for it. For example, the closest star to us, Sol, our sun is in fact easily and in great detail can be observed by a small cheap refractor telescope and a couple of filters. However the above mentioned scientist have optical instruments that are thousands of times more powerful than what is available to you. Yet in on effort to understand the stars, they every night point those instruments at distant far of regions of space. No harm done, but how will we learn how our or for that matter any star functions, if they ignore the one closest to us and therefore much more easily studied. Have you ever wondered what these multimillion dollar telescopes do during the day. What kind of pictures would we get of the sun if they used those telescope to take them. What amazing detail there would be. Just imagine the biggest most powerful telescope at least just for a day observing our sun. What would we see. What would we learn. The fact that the sun is too bright for these highly sensitive instruments, well I don’t by it at all. What is more difficult, observing the sun or going to the moon. Well they say they went to the moon.
The point is they know noting about the sun and in a sense noting about space, or more precisely the countless object that inhabit space.
How stupid do they have to be? The sun being such a large, close by astronomical body lends itself to easy study. Yet they can not tell me to this very day how it works and functions. The countless books, textbooks, scientific publications, all the talk, the writings, the moaning and the groaning in general try to explain how the sun functions, and what it actually is. If, according to them, we have a pretty good idea of how the sun works, then why do we not then apply that knowledge to our fusion reactors. I mean the sun is obviously producing energy, or at least generating a whole lot of it. So why not copy it, and presto, we have cheap unlimited energy. Well that is precisely what they have been doing and yet, noting, not a thing, nada, net. Even after they have spend billions of dollars.
The energy crisis is coming and lack of it will plunge all of our kind into a new dark age. Anarchy will rein.
So their reactors to this day are all silent, they are not churning out clean, cheap, unlimited energy or electricity, if you prefer. To me this means that their, the scientists, understanding of the sun is flawed, if it was spot on, hmm, correct, like BINGO, we would all have a reactor in our basements powering our homes, charging up our cars, maybe even a personal interplanetary shuttle. Hey I can dream. Yes I think such small table top reactors would set us all free. There would be a massive migration into space. A stampede of humanity unlike we have ever seen in all of our history. All trying to escape this forsaken planet. Screaming on top of their lungs as they in their ships, shuttles, space yachts, and all sorts of craft, achieve escape velocity, FREEDOM. Yes true pure freedom.
Make no mistake about this, there are hundreds of thousands of people who would leave this planet at the drop of the hat, and LOVE it, if they could do so. This planet is on egg ready to hatch.
But any way back to the subject at hand. Their inability to built a working reactor, means that everything they say about the sun is pure utter nonsense. Rubbish. Jack shit. Cow spit.
No if’s and or buts about it. The evidence is pretty much self explanatory, the electricity bill that comes every mouth, as if by magic it appears there. They have yet to miss a single month.
So then how can they be telling me about some utter useless crap in outer space, and yet know noting about the inner space. He he he.

Black wholes. Are they real? Well the same jackasses that tell me they know how the sun works tell me that they have found black wholes. Never mind the fact that black wholes are a theoretical construct, and have never been observed directly or indirectly. They insist that they are in fact real and talk about them as if they are a proven fact. Two grown men, highly educated, and well respected are talking about Santa Claus, and say they have even seen the north pole city. Yes there is a black whole, that is the whole were your taxes vanish never to reappear again, more precisely the money that is used to fund useless scientific projects. These same projects that come up with such rubbish as black wholes, super strings, white whole, the multiverse, other dimensions, parallel worlds, time travel, negative energy, big bang, big crunch, big bangs, and dark matter, well it doesn’t matter, why, because of the big suck. Heh, actual suckage may vary.
All utter nonsense. Period. I do not believe them, never did and never will. The current cosmology of big bang and by it all of it’s implications in my view are all bullshit. Not real, a sad mistake that was never corrected, with other mistakes continuously being added to it. The whole shebang has gotten convoluted to such a degree that there is no hope in sight, and none will come unless they abandon the whole thing and start from scratch.
You and I know of course that will never happen. So if you really want to build a space ship, or even come close, theoretically you must base you thinking correctly. If you get it right on paper it will work in real life.
You must test all theory’s. How you ask. The test is very simple. I developed it a long time ago and it has stuck with me and in my mind till this day. When we last talked I felt that perhaps I should tell you about it. It is a very powerful tool, and it will prove to you, if you carefully analyze the test and the idea behind it, that everything that has anything to do with space, and what scientists tell you, is utter bunk.

The test can be applied to any theory. It can prove beyond the shadow of doubt that either a theory is correct or it is flawed. It can and is summed up with this one sentence.

Rule number one.

ANY THEORY IF CORRECT AND DOES SO MATCH AND INHERANTLY AGREES BY VURTIE OF BIENG CORRECT WITH THE UNIVERSE WILL AUTOMATICLY PRODUCE AND OR DIRECT A MEANS, METHODS AND OR A WAY BY WHICH OR THROUGH WHICH NEW PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS, TECHNOLOGY’S AND OR ABILLTY’S ARE DERIVED, DEVELOPED, APPLIED AND IMPLEMENTED.

Now think of any theory, and apply the above rule to it.


How about quantum electrodynamics or QED. Which is the study of relativistic, moving at the speed of light, quantum electromagnetic interactions of photons, electrons, muons, and probably neutrons too.

Big bang any one.

In reality this is how the test goes.

Question number one.

How old is the theory? Answer . A. Very young. B. Young. C. Old. D. Very old.
One year. Decade. Century. Century’s.

Question number two.

What technology has this theory produced, or by which it in itself being in existence led to new applications?

Answer. A. None. B. Some. C. Many. D. A whole bunch.

Question number three.

Has this theory produced useful information that is being used in real life applications?

Answer. A. None. B. One. C. More. D. Truckload.

Question number four.

Has this theory led to other more complex theory’s to emerge?

Answer. A. A lot. B. Less. C. One. D. None.


Question number five A.

Does this theory point to a way or and a method on how too physically replicate any know and observable condition?


Answer. A. None. B. One. C. Many . D. Countless.


And five B.

Does this theory provide a way and or methods on how to explain the five A condition with out adding or changing the theory itself.

Answer. A. None. B. One. C. Ten. D. Countless.

<<<<<<<<<< INCORRECT CORRECT>>>>>>>>>>


One exception, that to the theory can be added information, if the theory is based on observation of know effects that are reproducible.

The rule than is this.

Rule number two.

IF THE THEORY IS BASED BY THE OBSERVER ON EFFECT AND NOT ON CAUSE, AND THE CAUSE IS NOT KNOWN THAN THE CAUSE OF THE SAID EFFECT CAN AND SHOULD BE ADDED TO THE SAID THEORY WHEN AND IF IT IS DISCOVERED.


So if the theory fails, gets all A’s than it is nonsense, even if it has cool enticing ideas that we, people, have grown attached too. I am going to give you one example.
Lets take a look at big bang, and see if it passes the test. The more d’s or the closer the answers are to the d’s the more likely that the theory is correct.


Question number one. Heh, oops we get a B. Right away we are of to a bad start.

Question number two. Aaah, none!!! So it gets an A. Not looking good so far.

Question number three. None, the answer is A. Read it and weep.

Question number four. Yes a lot, were are the pills, I got a headache just from thinking about it. So A it is.

Question number five, A. A!!! No know conditions that are in space have been replicated on earth. BIG BAG CONDITIONS.

And five B. Well duh!!! A. So much has been added to it that it is utterly worthless.



So you see it failed. Big surprise. So how can it be the most prevailing theory pushed down our throat by so many scientists, media, even the government, because they teach this useless crap in schools.
Several thoughts. The above rule, rule number one, states that to be correct the theory must, produce results, results that improve you, your life, and this whole planet. What is the point of something that is believed in, but has no proof other than some jackass, pompous scientist on TV. Can you say religion.
What are the results that I am talking about? If, again a theory is correct, we should be able to apply it to and achieve whatever we wish to do. You see, the universe is a large vast place, with unlimited potential it allows for your ideas to be real. It means anything is possible. But only if you have the right set of rules.
Such as, how does the universe work. Within these rules any idea that you conceive, the correct theory if it was available to you, would automatically point a way, on how to achieve and bring it to fruition, into existence in our reality.
In other words, you would be able to build numerous devices, that produce clean unlimited energy. A fusion reactor would be one of them, but no limited to it. Right now! How does extracting the energy directly out of the Ether, sound to you. More energy than the sun puts out during all it’s life at your control. Faster than the speed of light? You bet, travel so fast that it would take seconds to reach distant galaxy’s. Not stars, galaxy’s. In a second. FTL communication? You bet. Radar? Can you imagine, having a radar that could map out a whole galaxy, in a split second no less. You could see everything, be any where, go any where.
Gravity control? The simplest of all. But think of what you would be able to accomplish if you could control gravity. So many ideas come to mind, I am not even going to write them. Okay, just one. The gravity shunt that theoretical spaceship would use. It is a lens that bends gravity around the ship, with it you, I and all who wished could land on the core of Jupiter. The gravity shunt would keep the enormous pressures at bay with ease. You could take a stroll on the surface of the metallic hydrogen core.
How about environmental shields. Powerful electromagnetic shields able to maintain earth type environment in any condition. Even in the core of the sun. If it does have a core, indeed.
You could precipitate matter out on pure space. Shape it in any form, any way possibly. You could build planets. Stars. Spaceforming. That is a new word, you are the first one who heard it.
I could go on and on, but you get the general idea. So why are we stagnating an this planet!

[Influx]

My apologizes I clicked the submit button twice.

[bboyer]

My apologizes I clicked the submit button twice.

Has happened at one time or other to all of us, no worries. Since we changed service providers a while back, post submissions take a very long time (30+ seconds or some such) and so there's the added temptation to hit submit more than once thinking the thing has hung up or whatever for folks who aren't familiar with the delay here.

Anyways, I deleted it. Btw, you have one hour to edit your posts on these boards, including deleting them. So you could also have deleted your own double-post by clicking on the small "x" button on the posts toolbar (near the upper-right, next to the small rectangular EDIT button). Well, I should add, re deleting your own posts - users can delete them up to an hour after posting provided there has not been a reply added to the thread since the posting. If there have been any replies once you've posted an item then all you can do is edit it and not delete it. So, if you want to delete you sometimes gotta be pretty quick on the trigger before someone nails the lid down. In this instance, some users will edit the duplicate post - particularly if it is a lengthy one - and manually delete the original content and replace it with something to the effect of "sorry, duplicate post" or whatever.

You can also PM a Moderator or Admin and request a duplicate be removed if it has gone past the editing time allowance and no one has caught it.

p.s. You probably could have found a much more relevant thread to post that material to ... would have been quite appropriate to the EU board up top (except for the more speculative technology projections near and at the end), even if you'd started a new one or found an older one on the "standard model" or similar.

[kevin]

Influx,
Absolutely brilliant, it deserves saying twice.
Kevin

[Influx]

My sincere thanks to the moderator for your help, I am kind of new to this whole forum thing. Thanks again!

[skyfish]

Time is a human measurement but I also agree with Mr. Bearden, that the aether is the energy of the dimension of time. If the aether is manifesting gravity, then gravity is the result of the dimension of time. Of course this implies that if you manipulate the aether/gravity, time alteration is also a possibility. This may be why there are reports of time distortion
in the vicinity of ufo sightings.

http://www.prahlad.org/pub/bearden/scalar_wars.htm

This amazing discovery announces that the "emptiness" of empty space is in fact not empty, but a great ocean of seething energy!

Col. Bearden refers to this ocean of energy as being of the "time domain." Energy out of time? It seems like something from Star Trek but this is the point which the new science of scalar electromagnetics has reached. And where it is going may be beyond anything Star Trek could have dreamed of.

We live in a 3-dimensional world, which physics calls "3-space." But there is also spacetime, or 4-space, or the "4th dimension." Then suddenly comes this amazing new knowledge that time itself is actually compressed energy. And it is energy which is compressed by exactly the same factor by which matter is considered compressed energy: the speed-of-light-squared!

Grey Cloud wrote:

Exactly. Jiddu Krishnamurti, friend and collaborator of David Bohm, said everything is an illusion and while I understand where he was coming from I asked the same question as you: 'What's unreal about an illusion?' A brick wall is real but its solidity is an illusion.

Krishnamurti is near and dear to my heart, as are the upanishads.

skyfish

[junglelord]

EM is the Torsion of S/T and Gravity is the Curve of S/T. My first thread here Skyfish.
http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpB ... 05&start=0

[Influx]

EM is the Torsion of S/T and Gravity is the Curve of S/T. My first thread here Skyfish.

I also agree with Mr. Bearden, that the aether is the energy of the dimension of time.

Space-time is a fantasy of the standard model, which has failed hopelessly! We exist in a volume of space, the three-dimensional measurement system has nothing to do with how many dimensions there are in space. This includes the fictional time dimension. There is only one dimension, the volume of space. Energy can not exist as a separate property or a dimension, for which there are absolutely no proof. Energy is a state of how fast or how intense a given amount of mass moves or vibrates relative to some arbitrary measurement system. There is no past, it does not exist in some sort of dimension, only in your memory. There is no future, it only exists in your hopes and desires for it. The failure of the standard model has been the inability to separate fiction form nonfiction. You can not take a drink from the radio, such a thought is absurd. Time is a mass-less idea, a concept only in our heads.

[junglelord]

Time is the wrong way to look at it anyway.
Frequency is the way to understand Resonance.
The EU is a Electric Resonate System.
Scalar Propagation is instant and is a Quantum Device that is the first Frequency Domain.
Transverse Propagation is limited to c that is the second Frequency Domain.
Transverse Photon Radiation vs Scalar Photon Radiation is applied via Frequency Propagation.
Therefore there are two Frequency Domains in operation to connect the EU Charged System.
Frequency is not a man made item, it is an essential component to a full EU Resonance Theory .
The fact that there are two Frequency Domians in operation at the same time is what is important.
The EU cannot exist without Frequency.

[Influx]

Frequency, vibrations, resonance, constructive or destructive, hot or cold, liquid, solid, gas or a plasma, charged or neutral, these are all various descriptions of the different states of matter in the cosmos. But these states of matter have nothing to do with the fictional space-time continuum, but are measured by our invented or developed measurement systems to describe those states of matter. I am not saying what time IS, or what IT IS not. What I am saying is, that there is NO TIME. Only the change of objects position in the cosmos relative to themselves and our measurement of that change by a previously agreed upon system, is what we call time. But there is no time inherent in the structure of the universe.

[junglelord]

Agreed, Time is a man made concept that enslaves.
Frequency is Resonance and is Freedom.
The EU is a Resonate Charged System.
There is a domain upon which Charge Resonance is determined.
That of course is the Frequency Domain.
Charge cannot exist without Frequency and vica versa.
Since the EU is continual Charge, which is Continual Tension, it is a Tensegrity System.
Stars and Planets are Discontinuous Members of Compression in a Sea of Charged Electric Tension.
All Tensegrity Systems have a Tuned Coupled Response. That is harmonic resonance.
Tesla was the master of harmonic resonance. So was Fuller.
Electrically or Structurally, Frequency must be understood.

Time is a clock, something that you punch in and out at work.

[altonhare]

Well number one, if you have a branch of physics...

Theories are not branches of physics, even in the common usage of these terms. Examples of branches of physics include chemistry, biology, and astronomy. Examples of theories of physics include the standard model and relativity.

...without measurement, aka chain theory, its going nowhere.

Do we need to measure how fast/far a ball falls to explain why it fell???

You really think we have to pull out a yard stick or some other standard-reference in order to explain the universe?

Number Two we do KNOW the Earth is Spinning.

How do you know? Unless you are standing on the sun this very moment watching the earth and naming what it is doing "spin", you do not know. And if you were in such a position telling us all that it's spinning, whether we believe you or not is our personal opinion, we would not *know* either.

In science we do not prove the earth spins or goes around the sun. In science we explain why the sun appears to move across the sky, why it appears to take a different course each time, and why it repeats this cycle after 365 runs across the sky.

In science we just explain why.

Number Three Kevin was talking about those who spout the "Knowledge" of the system.
Kevin is one of the few members who is outside all system knowledge.
Therefore what he says is the only thing that matters.

So, instead of analyzing someone's arguments on their own merits and evaluating them with some kind of criteria, we should just not listen to "them". Instead we should listen to "outside them". Sounds scientific.

[junglelord]

A theory with no measurement is not physics.
The satellites show us the earth is spinning....everything spins.
Kevin is knowledgeable about the structure of the Aether.
He can measure it. I therefore listen to him and what he measures.
That is useful to me as measurements are physics.

[soulsurvivor]

As applied to the human system, immortality and eternal are the basic frequency where "time" is not a factor. We simply need to discover the basic frequency and tune in or set up a resonance, or rediscover that we already have the station within and activate it within the physical realm. Anything discussed as pertaining to frequency of matter also pertains to the human body, life itself. There's an old southern gospel song that goes, "Turn your radio on and listen to the music in the air.. turn your radio on and let the glory share." Having physically experienced this basic resonance reality at least once in recent memory, it really is that simple...relocating the channel is the problem.