Earth - tectonics and geology

[Maol]

Greetings Ladies and Gentlemen,

It may only be a cosmic roll of the dice but at exactly the time of the Japan earthquake, 05:46 UTC, the solar wind density, measured by the CELIAS/MTOF Proton Monitor on the SOHO Spacecraft, increased by a factor of 10. Other measured dynamics simultaneously underwent large changes at the same moment. Our planet was hit by a strong gust of solar wind, and of course the EM properties associated with it, at the minute the quake occurred.

This is the data in ascii format followed by a graph:

YR DOY:HR:MN:SC Angle Vth Density Vsw PM_Min PM_Max

2011 069:05:39:08 -1.07 18.43 4.82 294.90 117.00 13888.00
2011 069:05:41:10 -1.74 18.68 5.49 296.60 118.00 15828.00
2011 069:05:43:10 -2.01 18.83 6.18 298.00 126.00 17692.00
2011 069:05:45:12 -9.27 27.02 25.36 344.70 140.00 65912.00
2011 069:05:47:12 -9.43 25.87 49.33 336.00 199.00 112256.00
2011 069:05:49:15 -9.28 24.74 55.29 332.90 163.00 123552.00
2011 069:05:51:15 -9.10 25.54 48.25 335.90 172.00 112608.00
2011 069:05:53:15 -9.19 24.23 60.18 330.50 172.00 132960.00

I haven’t figured out how to post the graph in this link as an image so you will have to click on this to see the recorded data has an abrupt discontinuity at exactly the minute of the quake.

http://umtof.umd.edu/pm/fig350.png

The solar ejecta was associated with one of the four CME’s of March 7th and 8th, 2011

[Dotini]

Apologies if this has been cited elsewhere:
http://www.electricquakes.com/

[beekeeper]

Greetings fellow EU fans. In line with the theoretical ejection of planets from the sun as a mean to spread a sudden surge in the galactic current powering the sun. If the planet is an offspring of the sun through this phenomenum, then the core of the planet is what is left of the plasma ball ejected from the sun. As such the core of the planet will definitely be affected by any change in the intensity of the current entering the solar sheath. If the coronal mass ejection are manifestation of the variation of the electric charges entering the sun then these variations are also penetrating the crust of the planet and insteracting with the plama ball forming the core of earth. Not being able to eject any plasma mass as the core is envelopped by the mantle and the crust, the manifestation of these interaction would put treemendous pressures on the crust of the planet in this way triggering earthquakes and volcanic eruptions.

[Phorce]

Greetings Ladies and Gentlemen,

It may only be a cosmic roll of the dice but at exactly the time of the Japan earthquake, 05:46 UTC, the solar wind density, measured by the CELIAS/MTOF Proton Monitor on the SOHO Spacecraft, increased by a factor of 10. Other measured dynamics simultaneously underwent large changes at the same moment. Our planet was hit by a strong gust of solar wind, and of course the EM properties associated with it, at the minute the quake occurred.

Wow that's quite a graph. So the picture I'm getting is that, A. The flare might have simply triggered the quake (maybe it could have been another causative factor that triggered it if it was not a flare), and B. A possibility of some solar system wide electrical/plasma event effecting the Sun and the Earth that happened at that time ?

[Maol]

I think the physics of this are simple enough to hold in the palm of your hand in the form of a piezoelectric spark ignited butane cigarette lighter.

I hypothesize that the EM pulse, associated with the ten-fold increase in proton density of the charged mass that arrived in the wave of plasma, caused the planet to act as a piezoelectric transducer.

[tayga]

I think the physics of this are simple enough to hold in the palm of your hand in the form of a piezoelectric spark ignited butane cigarette lighter.

I hypothesize that the EM pulse, associated with the ten-fold increase in proton density of the charged mass that arrived in the wave of plasma, caused the planet to act as a piezoelectric transducer.

Interesting idea. In a piezoelectric crystal the charge results from mechanical deformation. Couldn't the changes in the graphs be the effect rather than the cause?

[Maol]

I think the physics of this are simple enough to hold in the palm of your hand in the form of a piezoelectric spark ignited butane cigarette lighter.

I hypothesize that the EM pulse, associated with the ten-fold increase in proton density of the charged mass that arrived in the wave of plasma, caused the planet to act as a piezoelectric transducer.

Interesting idea. In a piezoelectric crystal the charge results from mechanical deformation. Couldn't the changes in the graphs be the effect rather than the cause?

Ha! Good point. Is it the chicken or the egg? My thought was as a piezoelectric crystal deforms when electromotive force is applied to it, like the transducers in a tweeter or an ultrasonic cleaner.

[tayga]

Is it the chicken or the egg? My thought was as a piezoelectric crystal deforms when electromotive force is applied to it, like the transducers in a tweeter or an ultrasonic cleaner.

It occurs to me now that this might be cyclical; charge build up could lead to mechanical stress which could in turn could unload and release the charge. Sort of a mechanical capacitor.

[Lloyd]

Beekeeper said: In line with the theoretical ejection of planets from the sun as [is?] a mean to spread a sudden surge in the galactic current powering the sun. If the planet is an offspring of the sun through this phenomenum, then the core of the planet is what is left of the plasma ball ejected from the sun.

* The Saturn Theory supported by members of the Thunderbolts team supposes that at least Earth and Mars were ejected from Saturn before the Saturn System entered the Solar System about 10,000 years ago. Venus probably was also ejected from Saturn, but probably some time after Saturn entered the Solar System.
* Earth's core may nonetheless still be plasma, as you suggest, but there also seems to be good evidence that it's hollow, as Allyn found a few months ago at the Electric Earth thread: http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpB ... 420#p37440. The site he found is: http://www.hollowplanets.com/journal/Seismic01.asp. Peter James has suggested that the Moho discontinuity I guess about 20 miles deep is a plasma layer. And I think Cardona agrees with that.

[FS3]

What happens, if you insert a charged body into a closed circuit of a double layer? As our Moon is collecting the charge-carriers from the sun it gets literally "loaded" -- transporting positive charge from its dayside towards the negatively charged dark side.

As the solar stream pushes on Earth's magnetic bubble, the magnetosphere stretches, forming the magnetotail that reaches beyond the orbit of the moon...

Graphic from http://www.psrd.hawaii.edu/Sept99/MoonCore.html

At the time of the full moon the lunar orb is opposite from the sun, within the Earth's magnetotail. As now the day side of the moon becomes positively charged, due to solar radiation knocking electrons from the surface, the loose electrons build up on the night side of the moon and give the surface a negative charge.

Additionally with the recent solar events, as Maol has stated...

Greetings Ladies and Gentlemen,

It may only be a cosmic roll of the dice but at exactly the time of the Japan earthquake, 05:46 UTC, the solar wind density, measured by the CELIAS/MTOF Proton Monitor on the SOHO Spacecraft, increased by a factor of 10. Other measured dynamics simultaneously underwent large changes at the same moment. Our planet was hit by a strong gust of solar wind, and of course the EM properties associated with it, at the minute the quake occurred...

...I haven’t figured out how to post the graph in this link as an image so you will have to click on this to see the recorded data has an abrupt discontinuity at exactly the minute of the quake.

http://umtof.umd.edu/pm/fig350.png

The solar ejecta was associated with one of the four CME’s of March 7th and 8th, 2011

...the Moon "feeds" the Earth's magnetosphere with additional charge carriers -- an event that starts a few days before full moon, if you watcht the little sketch above -- as the path of the Moon first touches the boundaries of the magnetic tail about 7 days before full moon! During those days of the full moon (with some days befor/after) we should consider all kinds of discontinuities on Earth as the electric bisystem Sun-Earth is influenced to a great extent by the Moon and changes -- electrically seen -- towards a triplesystem.

As this additional charge is released suddenly into the magnetosphere it influences the layers of our ionosphere -- causing it to elevate/sink -- and altering so the force towards the surface -- as we know well from a capacitor. This sudden change of force acts on the plates of the Earth's crust -- and a quake may be the result.

Additionally the position of our Moon was "above" Japan at the time of the catastrophy! See at:
http://www.jgiesen.de/SME/

Thanks to "Maol's" umtof.umd.edu-link (perhaps someone could post the smaller graphs here!)-- the additional, extreme discontinuity from the charge carriers, coming from the Sun were crucical too.

Both events -- the Moon at the "right" place -- as well as the additional triggering by solar events again showed how interplanetary electrical conditions do influence our Earth's biosphere.

We are not alone...

FS3

[jim1967]

While I wholeheartedly agree with the cause of the quake posited here, I wonder what about the crust near Japan makes it so susceptible to being affected by the CME's? Personally I don't believe in "subduction zones" or plate tectonics, but do think global quake areas are "seams" in the crust that facilitate or are the result of an expanding earth. Does that make sense?

[FS3]

While I wholeheartedly agree with the cause of the quake posited here, I wonder what about the crust near Japan makes it so susceptible to being affected by the CME's? Personally I don't believe in "subduction zones" or plate tectonics, but do think global quake areas are "seams" in the crust that facilitate or are the result of an expanding earth. Does that make sense?

If you would have read some of those lines right before your post here, you could have had a clue already.



Basically the ionosphere and the crust works like a spherical capacitor. That means that there is a force between the two "plates" (basically, the positive charged ionosphere and the negatively charged surface -- plus deeper levels of the crust), where the area of those plates, the dielectric medium in between, the distance and the charge make up for the resultant force.

If now the ionosphere experiences a sudden surplus of charge barriers the force-resultant towards the surface is suddenly altered that triggers a possible movement of the crustal-plates to release the surplus energy somewhere -- moreover if we take into consideration that magma is plasma as well, therefore charged matter.

We can experience this phenomenon by monitoring the varying hight of the different layers of the ionosphere.

In the case of the great Tsunami from 2004 the ionosphere rose about 40 kms in height above Sumatra as afterwards was concluded from satellite data.

The ionosphere interaction in quakes (see as well: whistlerwaves) is moreover the reason why an earthquake monitoring device was implemented on the ISS. By collecting data of the changing electron flow it is likely possible to develop a suitable model for predicting quakes in near future.

FS3

[Cracchiolo]

While I wholeheartedly agree with the cause of the quake posited here, I wonder what about the crust near Japan makes it so susceptible to being affected by the CME's? Personally I don't believe in "subduction zones" or plate tectonics, but do think global quake areas are "seams" in the crust that facilitate or are the result of an expanding earth. Does that make sense?

Here is an article I found in the Journal of Scientific Exploration I thought you might like to read. There is a section on Subduction and on Surface Thermal Gradient that may answer your questions about Japan. ...Actually most of you would enjoy this.

http://www.scientificexploration.org/jo ... tassos.pdf

[jim1967]

Thanks for the read, Cracchiolo. Some of the mathematics were over my head, but the points were explained very well.

[Lloyd]

1st Post: Tectonics; 2nd Post: Earth's Interior
Impossible Subduction
* I learned of the following interesting article from this post: http://thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/v ... 409#p49300. What's interesting is the claim that Earth's mantle rock is more rigid than the crust and comparing subduction to trying to drive a wooden nail into a canon ball using gravity.

An Integrated Alternative Conceptual Framework to Heat Engine Earth, Plate Tectonics, and Elastic Rebound
http://www.scientificexploration.org/jo ... tassos.pdf
The Problem of the Subduction of Plates

- If we, for argument’s sake, accept that decoupling and horizontal movement is, however, possible, the following question is raised: How is it possible for a lithospheric plate even to begin to gravitationally ‘‘sink’’ into the mantle at all, due to a marginal density difference gradient? This would require that the plate be metaphorically as hard as a nutshell and dense as lead, and for the mantle to be softer than butter. The actual physical data from seismic wave propagation distinctly indicate that both materials have approximately the same mechanical properties, namely, both are solid, of similar density, stiffly rigid and basically, mechanically unyielding materials, at the scales involved in geotectonics. The viscosity and rigidity of the crust and the mantle is higher than 10^20 Pa and 10^10 Pa, respectively.
- These values materially approximate well only with plastic solids; furthermore, these properties of mechanical stiffness and decreasing deformability are observed to increase with depth, i.e., the material becomes even more rigid and harder to mechanically deform as depth in the mantle increases. The deformational introduction of one solid into and through another solid, as per alleged subduction settings, cannot occur unless the energy required to overcome the tremendously strong net inter-atomic crystalline bonding forces which hold the rock’s atomic solid-state matrix together is somehow directly provided, when and where it is needed, in time and space. For example, the electrostatic attractive force between an electron and a proton is 10^39 times stronger than their gravitational attraction. That is because gravity only effectively dominates energy processes on the larger cosmic scale, i.e., 10^25 m, while the much more concentrated short-range electromagnetic force overwhelmingly dominates and is effective only at a particle’s quantum electro-dynamic interaction scale of about 10^-14 m distance between quantum particles. It is not physically possible for a nail or a bullet projectile to gravitationally sink into the interwoven bonded cellulose matrix of a piece of wood, simply because it is denser than the wood and also has a small sectional area. The scale of the nail is far too small for gravity to make a difference, even after a very long time of applied gravitational force. Only if the nail receives a sudden concentrated overwhelming energy impulse, a ‘‘hammer blow’’, can penetration occur.
- More realistically, the appropriate and credible physical metaphor of subduction would be of a wooden nail being projected very slowly into a cannon ball. This is, of course impossible, even over infinite time; but even if the wooden nail were to suddenly receive such a hammer blow, required to project it into the steel sphere, the energy impulse gradient itself would simply incandescently disintegrate the wooden nail at the surface. The steel sphere may oscillate minutely, but otherwise would not be penetrated or deformed by the shattered nail.