Unwinding the spirals

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Unwinding the spirals

Post by JaJa » Sat Jan 01, 2011 8:05 am

Hi

I was going to post this on the Norway spiral phenomenon in the new insights and mad idea section as an addition but the thread has been locked.

From this TPOD is the image of WR104.

http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2010/ ... pirals.htm

The TPOD stated:
Rather than gas and dust flung out by two stars in pirouette, these structures reveal the characteristic hourglass formation of a z-pinch.
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http://www.physics.usyd.edu.au/~gekko/pinwheel.html

The video of the Norway spiral below (up until about 23 seconds) imho shows an amazing similarity to the time-lapse movie of WR104, I dont think I saw this kind of similarity in any photo's/videos supporting the failed rocket explanation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxA0Asq2YDg

Is anyone able to tell me if these patterns have been observed in lab experiments with plasma/z-pinches?

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Re: Unwinding the spirals

Post by JaJa » Sat Jan 01, 2011 9:33 am

Here's a better close up video of the spiral beginning around 13 seconds...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sof_QK1z4b4

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Re: Unwinding the spirals

Post by Solar » Sat Jan 01, 2011 11:43 am

JaJa wrote: Is anyone able to tell me if these patterns have been observed in lab experiments with plasma/z-pinches?

JJ
Yes, they have.

There are, to my knowledge, two avenues to pursue the spiral dynamic you've referenced in relation to plasma and electromagnetism/electric fields, electric currents etc. Its simply a matter of discerning, or deciphering under what nomenclature and/or perspective experimentalist refer to same:

1: One of my favorite sites in relation to this is "Nonneutral Plasmas its conceptualization of "vortex crystals." What I like about this approach is that the more diffuse "background" plasma are not neglected with regard to the formation of the "vortex crystals." This would seem to have direct relevance for the 'scavenging' or 'evacuation' (Thornhill) of the more diffuse "background" plasma electromagnetically 'compressed' or 'constricted' into the pinch region(s) whether as amorphous "plasmoids" and/or totally tubular magnetic "field lines" and/or electric currents themselves.

Sorry for the run on sentence with that - and this:

So that when extrapolated, for example, unlike the disconnect or disjointed implications of say a "big bang physics' wherein the idea of a few millimeters sized hot dense quark-gloun filled chick-pea "singularity" supposedly existing within .... [insert speculative thing or condition here]? - the "background" plasma forms a necessary Continuum from which energetic 'self-organized' differentiations result in the formation of secondary energetic phase-states ('objects') that then must co-exist within the same Continuum from which they are formed. Not disjointed and segmented at all no matter how large or diffuse the scale of the "background" plasma region (the "molecular clouds" in space etc).

2: Also, seeming separate, other nomenclature from experimentalist with terms like "vorticity" in relation to the z-pinch dynamic can be Googled under that term i.e. z-pinch induced "vorticity" and a bevy of relevant papers to boot.

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Re: Unwinding the spirals

Post by JaJa » Sat Jan 01, 2011 12:50 pm

Thank you very much Solar for all the relevant links. Amazing... and I will enjoy :D

I was able to find this image from D.E Scott's Electric Sky which gave me a better understanding of what a z-pinch looked like. Okay, in this image the spiral would be going the other way, although I suppose direction of the spin would depend on your point of reference.

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I'm not sure why admin seemed happy enough to accept the official "it was a rocket" explanation, after all, the video of the Norway spiral and the similarities between that time-lapsed video of WR104 leads me to think that we got a glimpse of a birkeland current connected to the earth... or have I got that completely wrong?

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Re: Unwinding the spirals

Post by Solar » Sat Jan 01, 2011 9:28 pm

JaJa wrote:I'm not sure why admin seemed happy enough to accept the official "it was a rocket" explanation, after all, the video of the Norway spiral and the similarities between that time-lapsed video of WR104 leads me to think that we got a glimpse of a birkeland current connected to the earth... or have I got that completely wrong?

JJ
I didn’t follow much regarding the Norway spiral. I think that there was another such spiral suspected from yet another rocket in Australia?? However, according to news reports etc. ,Russia admitted that it was basically back to the drawing board for their intercontinental multiple warhead ballistic missile after that failure.

I honestly don't 'see' anything suggestive of Birkeland current/plasma activity with the Norway spiral. That country has a rather significant historical record of probably every auroral formation imaginable. In other words, it would have been something that they would not have thought twice about owing to their cultural and historical familiarity with such things. I would hazard a guess that the spiral event was quite spectacularly out of the ordinary for them and quite uncharacteristic of even the oddest of aurora. I can see the rationale you're looking at it with; but I don't think that - that - was Birkeland current activity.
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Re: Unwinding the spirals

Post by Influx » Sat Jan 01, 2011 9:42 pm

This was no doubt a rocket failure, notice the blue contrail turning white as it goes from space to the surface.

Remember that the atmospheric pressure decreases with altitude, so as the rocket climbs it's contrail would change behavior.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Z-3fjg4 ... r_embedded
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Re: Unwinding the spirals

Post by JaJa » Sun Jan 02, 2011 1:24 am

Hi Solar & Influx

Thanx for your thoughts. I don't want to get the thread locked, so I'll leave it there. I just wanted to imput the time-lapse movie of WR104 to compare it to the motion of the Norway event.

Off to explore those links Solar :D

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