What are your views on the afterlife?

[KeepitRealMark]

Human Memory.

I have had the good fortune to have worked at a major hospital for seventeen years. During this time one of my best friends (Terry) was the Chief Pathologist and brain surgeon. He performed all the autopsies.
I have seen every part of the human body inside and out. I have looked at dozens of human brains sliced incredibly thin with a microscope. My friend pointed out that the lines that are present are the traces of human memory.
Thoughts are etched into the brain matter with electric-chemical stimulus.
It leaves tiny little lines that look like lightning strikes, or tree branches.
It is a physical process that makes it possible. Similar to how a VHS tape holds information in the form of electromagnetic input recorded on a medium. The reason human memory dies is because the slightest trauma or decay can, or will cause a shutdown of electric activity. The brain cells decay and the function is forever gone. Only twisted little lines left in the gray matter.
Terry once said to me... "It requires life, to have a memory of it"

I will say... It requires life to have any consciousness of it.

[HelloNiceToMeetYou]

http://www.quantumconsciousness.org/doc ... lished.pdf

Read that and tell me your initial reactions. What you think is wrong with that. If you have any good suggestions to why this model is flawed, please show some. Memory that is Take it easy mark

[KeepitRealMark]

http://www.quantumconsciousness.org/doc ... lished.pdf

Read that and tell me your initial reactions. What you think is wrong with that. If you have any good suggestions to why this model is flawed, please show some. Memory that is Take it easy mark

Hi…Nice
I will look into it.

Every form of memory that man has created requires some physical process to produce any memory/recording. Everything requires some physical way, method, process, means, to make it possible. Including human memory.
Without the brain to contain and recall the memory, there is no memory.

I always "Take it easy".
I'm retired and happy as a simple man needs to be.

You do the same.

[HelloNiceToMeetYou]

I disagree in a certain sense. How can paramecium or an aeomeba eat, reproduce and get away from predators with no brain? How can a bacteriophage find a cell to insert its DNA/RNA into? Just by chance? There is more to life then Chemicals and electricity. But again this is never going to end. Read the article when you have time, and tell me what you think. Untill then, lets agree to disagree Information in my opinion is the prime force behind everything. Including plasma/energy

[KeepitRealMark]

I disagree in a certain sense. How can paramecium or an aeomeba eat, reproduce and get away from predators with no brain? How can a bacteriophage find a cell to insert its DNA/RNA into? Just by chance? There is more to life then Chemicals and electricity. But again this is never going to end. Read the article when you have time, and tell me what you think. Untill then, lets agree to disagree Information in my opinion is the prime force behind everything. Including plasma/energy

All life forms require some form of electrical stimulus to be alive. The electrical process is embedded into whatever each life form as developed to process it. Call it a brain. Or whatever you want. It is still a physical process that makes it happen. Something most hold the process together or there will be no thought/memory on any level.

[StevenJay]

It requires life to have any consciousness of it.

Do you even listen to yourself?

[Aristarchus]

It requires life to have any consciousness of it.

Do you even listen to yourself?

Perhaps, KiRM needs to be more conscientiousness.

Moving on:

The question before us comes from the perspective of consciousness precedes being. It was Karl Marx and some existentialist philosophers, like Jean-Paul Sartre, that flipped that the around to being precedes consciousness. We are still confronted with the quaint materialism of the 19th century. On the Science and Theosophy topic, we have Blavatsky already prescient enough to see how this materialism would create a crisis in science. Significantly, is the fact that those that propose being precedes consciousness offer an authoritative premise that can then be used as a controlling influence over humankind. In other words, if one is born into a certain class system, one's existence becomes predicated upon defining oneself within that particular class. All spiritual quests are subjugated as fruitless endeavors. Existence is relegated to short term preoccupations.

However, in the last link and quote I provided, we have something that in my opinion adheres to consciousness precedes being.

Liu found that these microprocessors automatically form all along the surface of the cell as the brain develops. The modules also have their own built-in intelligence that seems to allow them to accommodate defects in the wiring or electrical storms in the circuitry: if any of the connections break, new ones automatically form to replace the old ones. If the positive, "excitatory" connections are overloading, new negative, "inhibitory" connections quickly form to balance out the signaling, immediately restoring the capacity to transmit information.

This leads me to consider the idea that there is something acting from outside the body/brain as an initiator of our thoughts - processing of our information. Something appears to be acting on the system of our cognition to assemble our reality, or rather, there is a reciprocation of our existence with something external.

There is a video on YouTube that I had watched more than several weeks ago that reasoned (viz), if one imagines a dragon in his/her mind, another person could never split open the head of the other person and discover the image of that dragon - it's all circuitry and chemistry processing in a continuous flow, perhaps coming from outside inward. It is as if we are looking back at ourselves through this current existence, but our ideas take on a form of their own and everything loops back into a reoccurrence or recycling, compiling a continuous rebirth of ever increasing thought patterns and cognitive evolutionary development.

I'm probably not being very clear here, as I really haven't worked this all out for myself in cognizant terms, but it does leave me with a fascination of some reading I have encountered regarding the current ideas found in the Saturn Myth. As I stated earlier on this topic:

More than several weeks ago I posted on the TB forum a link to someone very active in the Saturn Myth. It can be found here

In that link the author stipulates that 4000 - 3500 BC the myths recorded were more historical events rather than something interpreted as religious. The ancients were literally describing in the language that was afforded to them at the time what they were witnessing in the sky. It wasn't until 1500 BC to 600 BC that the rise of religious thought truly became pronounced in civilizations, and this was due to a development of the subjective consciousness which considered the "I' in relations to others, as opposed to the pre-consciousness of only perceiving the "I".

Are these very recent events in the sky witnessed by the ancients - the contact with plasma-arcs that then serve as a conduit to expedite our understanding of ourselves - a fast forward for our development? The double helix of our DNA - representing the "S" shape or snake – is it something that is an encoded arc of information? Consider that 98-percent of our DNA is considered junk DNA, and thus, how much actual evolution do we have to go in understanding our existence - our being. The "I' exists on more than one level of our corporal existence - looping back and forth in an eternal struggle of actualization. Does death represent a kind of rest, repose, from the struggle of our corporal experience, just as sleep rests our body in the cycle of the day?

I'm probably not making this clear, and perhaps because it's not entirely clear to me. Oh well, I'll rest on it. Hope others continue to offer their insights on this topic, since this TB forum and its contributors have given me these ideas to consider.

[KeepitRealMark]

It requires life to have any consciousness of it.

Do you even listen to yourself?

Yes.
You don't get the point.
Life is essentially electric stimulus being processed by a physical host. When the electric activity stops, the host stops being alive. No life = no consciousness. Simple enough.
When the physical brain dies and starts to decay. All consciousness is terminated. No part of the individuals memory continues on in any physical way. Only the memory of the individual by other people.
Death is just what it sounds like… The end of Life.

A Radio is a good example of an electric based devise that uses electric current/stimulation to function.
It has several parts that are needed to produce the sound of the program.
While there is electric current available, you might say… the radio is alive.
When you turn off the power the radio becomes dead matter. No life.
No memory of anything it has ever had played with it.
Similar to a brain processing thoughts. Turn off the power. Memory gone for good.

[KeepitRealMark]

Some people allow their imagination to play a dominate role in forming their belief system. I used to do this myself.. Until I was 19 years old. Then I grew up and started using rational thought and analysis of the available evidence on the issues concerning life as we know it.
I no longer allow myself to believe in things that apparently exist only in the human imagination. No emotional personal desires enter the picture.
Whether I like it or not. If it makes me happy or not. Reality is paramount and takes priority over all other considerations.
No romantic fantasies are given a place at the table. I stick to the truth and the truth sticks to me.
It was easy. Any honest thinking person can do it if they want to.

[StevenJay]

It is as if we are looking back at ourselves through this current existence, but our ideas take on a form of their own and everything loops back into a reoccurrence or recycling, compiling a continuous rebirth of ever increasing thought patterns and cognitive evolutionary development.

Aritarchus, I admire your ability to address such slippery concepts and express them so cognitively.

[Aristarchus]

Aritarchus, I admire your ability to address such slippery concepts and express them so cognitively.

Thank you, StevenJay. I don't feel I was describing what I was trying to convey adequately, but perhaps it is the subject material, such is the nature of it. I hope we can flesh these ideas out and with what others have contributed, if the topic is allowed to move forward. I read through the paper from HelloNiceToMeetYou, and it was really interesting but it was also arduously academic - however, I did find some cross reference material to the paper that was rather interesting.

[JaJa]

This leads me to consider the idea that there is something acting from outside the body/brain as an initiator of our thoughts - processing of our information. Something appears to be acting on the system of our cognition to assemble our reality, or rather, there is a reciprocation of our existence with something external.

Let the light show begin...

[JaJa]

This leads me to consider the idea that there is something acting from outside the body/brain [...]

Chart 101: Sunspot Cycles & Human History

Sunspot cycles chart

A. L. Tchijevsky, a Russian professor of Astronomy and Biological Physics, noticed during World War I that particularly severe battles followed solar flares. Since the sunspots were in a peak period during 1916-17, no doubt the war and its various battles were heavily stimulated by the energies which are boiling off the Sun. Intrigued by the connection of human behavior to solar physics, Tchijevsky constructed an “Index of Mass Human Excitability”. He compiled the histories of 72 countries from 500 BC to 1922 AD to provide a strong database to articulate his correlations. After rating the most significant events, Tchijevsky found that fully 80% of the most significant human events, mostly related to war and violence, occurred during the 5 years or so of maximum sunspot activity. Tchijevsky went on to observe that the 1917 Russian Revolution occurred during the height of Sunspot Cycle. Unfortunately, this was one of science’s most costly observations, it earned Tchijevsky almost 30 years in Soviet prisons because his theory challenged “Marxist dialectics”.

The “solar” connection to terrestrial events has been studied ever since then, but most of the focus has been on the sun itself or on the impact of the cycle on the climate, weather, agriculture, commodity markets, and other non-human phenomenon. Awareness of the human impact, which is far more significant than the well known impact of the Full Moon, has remained highly retarded. Modern humans, unlike the ancient cultures of Egypt, Sumer, Bhararti, Maya, and China, are highly reluctant to admit that their collective behavior is influenced strongly by the Sun. They prefer to believe that reason rules their societies.

Historical Events During Sunspot Cycle Heights (1750-2000)

http://www.carolmoore.net/articles/suns ... l#Evidence

In the mid-1980s, writing in two small radical publications, I predicted the dissolution of the Soviet Union and freedom for eastern Europe for the exact month that it did in fact happen. I did not predict it specifically for November of 1989. I predicted it for the height of the next eleven year sunspot cycle. The height occurred in November of 1989. And, as this article argues, this was no coincidence. For sunspots give off solar flares that increase negative ionization on earth–and increased negative ionization during sunspot maximum periods increases human excitablity and activity.

Scientists have studied and quantified sunspots since the 1750s. They have noted that sunspot cycles will vary in length from 9 to 13 years and in number of sunspots, from half-a-dozen during minimum years to many hundreds during maximum years. Many scientists and analysts have admitted or claimed there is some impact on electrical grids, climate, weather, agriculture and commodity markets, economic cycles, etc. But few admit that human activity could be influenced by something as seemingly irrational — and uncontrollable — as sunspot activity.

Solar Cycle and Wars

http://www.world-mysteries.com/newgw/sc ... cycle1.htm

Solar Cycle 24 has begun – and it has been predicted by NASA, NOAA and ESA to be up to 50% stronger than its ‘record breaking’ predecessor Cycle 23 which produced the largest solar flare ever recorded. The Sun will reach its ‘apex’ (maximum) in late 2011 into 2012.

We have tantalizing hints that the Earth’s climate may be linked to sunspots. The “Little Ice Age” corresponded with a 70-year period, 1645-1715, when sunspots were sparse in number, the Maunder minimum. Also, there are strong statistical associations linking current trends in climate (surface temperatures) to trends in solar activity, as outlined in another paper by Wilson for the Journal of Geophysical Research (Atmospheres).

[kanderson3454]

I highly believe that there is an after life. I know someone who came back from it.

[HelloNiceToMeetYou]

Care to elaborate on this??