The Orgasm Phenomenon - Lightning before a storm?

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The Orgasm Phenomenon - Lightning before a storm?

Post by JaJa » Fri Dec 03, 2010 7:28 am

Achieving orgasm, brain imaging studies show, involves more than heightened arousal. It requires a release of inhibitions engineered by a shutdown of the brain’s center of vigilance in both sexes and a widespread neural power failure in females. When a woman reached orgasm, something unexpected happened: much of her brain went silent.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic ... asmic-mind
Evolutionary functions of an orgasm...

Although theories have been put forward to try and explain the “evolutionary” purpose of these electrochemical reactions during sexual encounters orgasms still remain something of a phenomenon. According to evolutionary biologists orgasms evolved to encourage physical intimacy and intercourse and thus keep the species reproducing, but if orgasms are an evolutionary mechanism why do some female fish expel their eggs and leave the male to fertilize them without any intimacy? Where is the incentive for a fish? :?

Desmond Morris and his book the naked ape suggests that the female orgasm evolved to encourage physical intimacy between male and females in order to reinforce bonding.
Morris suggested that the relative difficulty in achieving female orgasm, in comparison to the male's, might be favorable in Darwinian evolution by leading the female to select mates who bear qualities like patience, care, imagination, intelligence, as opposed to qualities like size and aggression, which pertain to mate selection in other primates.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orgasm#Evo ... of_orgasms
Spoken like a true ape there Desmond...

Despite all the attempts to explain orgasms as an evolutionary function involving various bodily actions and processes such as aiding fertilization etc... no one has been able to explain why we experience these intense electrochemical storms that generate widespread neural blackouts in the guise of what can only be described as short-circuiting pleasure.

Any thoughts :shock:

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Re: The Orgasm Phenomenon - Lightning before a storm?

Post by fosborn » Tue Jan 25, 2011 6:12 pm

Desmond Morris and his book the naked ape suggests that the female orgasm evolved to encourage physical intimacy between male and females in order to reinforce bonding.
Any thoughts

JJ
I hit the unanswered post button, and was surprised the were no answers to this one. I thought, wow , this doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out. I'll give it a shot. ;)
Any thoughts

JJ

Lots of (edited) thoughts. :oops:

But why would the male be so opposite ( kind of like hit and run, or a train wreck)? :twisted:

Perhaps in times of upheaval ( global floods, fire storms, Mars attacts, ect.), the male is most dominant ( reproductive success is primary), 8-)

In more stable times ( in the haze of a red dwarf, Venus centered on Satrun,ect.), the female is dominant, being selective and intimate is better ,to strengthen the gene pool?:|

( I wanted to get the ape's point of view in first. :) )
Spoken like a true ape there Desmond...
Monkey see monkey do. :D :D

Despite all the attempts to explain orgasms as an evolutionary function involving various bodily actions and processes such as aiding fertilization etc... no one has been able to explain why we experience these intense electrochemical storms that generate widespread neural blackouts in the guise of what can only be described as short-circuiting pleasure.
O, what you were talking about. :oops: :roll:
Hey! My wife never complained about that? :?

Does it have anything to do with child birth? I understand the pain would kill a male ( watching my wife, all I could think is, glad it ain't me, as I grew faint). :shock:

Perhaps the mechanism that saves the female, is the same that kicks in during extreme pleasure. Maybe the nervous system's trigger can't discern the difference?
Spoken like a true ape there Desmond...

Sorry, can't help it. :oops:

Plus, I wanted to post something that would be a head line grabber ( even if I have to be a parasite).
:roll:

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Re: The Orgasm Phenomenon - Lightning before a storm?

Post by KeepitRealMark » Tue Jan 25, 2011 6:36 pm

Well this is an interesting topic.
I read “The Naked Ape” years ago. It helped me form some of my understandings of mans nature.

A male Moose will devote days on end just to find a mate and have an orgasm.
It takes less than ten seconds. Oh well, sucks to be a Moose.
I’m glad we’ve made it more of an art form and applied our imagination to our sex lives.


Hey fosborn... I always enjoy your thoughts.

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Re: The Orgasm Phenomenon - Lightning before a storm?

Post by StevenJay » Tue Jan 25, 2011 7:00 pm

I see it as being the headline feature in the whole "sensate" package - that thing that entices us to keep "coming back." ;)

I passed a couple of kidney stones several years ago. The attending physician at the ER I showed up at, at three in the morning, confided that she had given birth to three children and had also passed kidney stones. She said she'd take childbirth over kidney stones any day of the week. :shock:

On the other hand, my wife said she had an extremely powerful orgasm when giving birth to her son. Upon researching the topic a bit, it turns out that's not all that uncommon (just not talked about much for fear of ridicule)!

Pain and pleasure both involve a certain amount of "short-circuiting." It's an interesting feature of human physiology, for sure. And one of those things that cannot be shared or adequately explained (or fully remembered, for that matter), only experienced in the moment. . . I think that's a clue right there! :)
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Re: The Orgasm Phenomenon - Lightning before a storm?

Post by JaJa » Wed Jan 26, 2011 8:33 am

There was me thinking this post was resigned to the intellectual dustbin...
StevenJay wrote:I see it as being the headline feature in the whole "sensate" package - that thing that entices us to keep "coming back
Well, natural selection doesn't require orgasm does it - it's not survival of the sexiest... or selection of the most imaginative :?

The most important part of this for me was...
Achieving orgasm, brain imaging studies show, involves more than heightened arousal. It requires a release of inhibitions engineered by a shutdown of the brain’s center of vigilance in both sexes and a widespread neural power failure in females. When a woman reached orgasm, something unexpected happened: much of her brain went silent.
When something unexpected happens I ask questions, call it a knee-jerk reaction. If the brain goes silent at the point of orgasm (which is generally accompanied by fireworks) would that indicate that consciousness is momentarily detached from the body if the expected brain patterns of such a highly-charged event were missing...?

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Re: The Orgasm Phenomenon - Lightning before a storm?

Post by KeepitRealMark » Wed Jan 26, 2011 9:13 am

JaJa wrote:There was me thinking this post was resigned to the intellectual dustbin...
StevenJay wrote:I see it as being the headline feature in the whole "sensate" package - that thing that entices us to keep "coming back
Well, natural selection doesn't require orgasm does it - it's not survival of the sexiest... or selection of the most imaginative :?

The most important part of this for me was...
Achieving orgasm, brain imaging studies show, involves more than heightened arousal. It requires a release of inhibitions engineered by a shutdown of the brain’s center of vigilance in both sexes and a widespread neural power failure in females. When a woman reached orgasm, something unexpected happened: much of her brain went silent.
When something unexpected happens I ask questions, call it a knee-jerk reaction. If the brain goes silent at the point of orgasm (which is generally accompanied by fireworks) would that indicate that consciousness is momentarily detached from the body if the expected brain patterns of such a highly-charged event were missing...?

JJ

It would seem to me that IF the woman’s brain went silent.. No orgasm would be experienced at all. There would be no reaction. It takes a very well connected brain to produce some of reactions I’ve seen. More than just a knee jerk.
It does indeed keep us coming back.

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Re: The Orgasm Phenomenon - Lightning before a storm?

Post by JaJa » Wed Jan 26, 2011 9:44 am

KeepitRealMark wrote:It would seem to me that IF the woman’s brain went silent.. No orgasm would be experienced at all.
You got it. So where is the orgasm experienced if the brain goes silent...

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Re: The Orgasm Phenomenon - Lightning before a storm?

Post by StevenJay » Wed Jan 26, 2011 10:08 am

JaJa wrote:StevenJay wrote: I see it as being the headline feature in the whole "sensate" package - that thing that entices us to keep "coming back.

Well, natural selection doesn't require orgasm does it - it's not survival of the sexiest... or selection of the most imaginative
Sorry if my statement was somewhat ambiguous. What I mean by "sensate package" is our physical five-sensory apparati. And "coming back" refers to reincarnating. 8-)
JaJa wrote:So where is the orgasm experienced if the brain goes silent...
From a male's point of view, it feels as though it's spread along my entire chakra system. For those few instants when the mind seems to go blank (which, for me, are just prior to actual ejaculation), it's as if Awarenes (not Consciousness) focuses in the Heart rather than in the brain. On those occassions when simultaneous orgasms occurred and our Hearts were in close proximity, it felt distinctly transcendentally exhilarating (don't know how else to describe it) to both my wife and me. I guess that's personal enough, eh?. . . :oops:

My point is, the magic of human orgasm appears to entail far more than mere electrochemical fireworks! ;)
It's all about perception.

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Re: The Orgasm Phenomenon - Lightning before a storm?

Post by KeepitRealMark » Wed Jan 26, 2011 3:25 pm

JaJa wrote:
KeepitRealMark wrote:It would seem to me that IF the woman’s brain went silent.. No orgasm would be experienced at all.
You got it. So where is the orgasm experienced if the brain goes silent...

JJ

Hi JaJa

I can only speak for myself. My brain never goes silent, so I can't answer your question.
I’m sure I don’t have to tell you where us men experience an orgasm.

I do like your commonsense approach to these questions here at these forums.

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Re: The Orgasm Phenomenon - Lightning before a storm?

Post by fosborn » Wed Jan 26, 2011 3:49 pm

I will never push the unanswered post again!! :oops: :o :shock: ;)

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Re: The Orgasm Phenomenon - Lightning before a storm?

Post by JaJa » Wed Jan 26, 2011 4:10 pm

StevenJay wrote:From a male's point of view...
Okay. What I was looking for was "where" does consciousness go (not the effects of the orgasm) if the brain has gone silent ( I assume silent means no electrical activity) - isn't electricity in the brain synonymous with consciousness - no electricity - no apparent consciousness - and yet we are obviously continuing to experience consciousness throughout an orgasm even though the brain is implying we are electrically silent. :?

Does this imply that consciousness has moved out of the head and into the heart...?
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Re: The Orgasm Phenomenon - Lightning before a storm?

Post by StevenJay » Wed Jan 26, 2011 7:15 pm

JaJa wrote:Does this imply that consciousness has moved out of the head and into the heart...?
After reconsideration, I'm not so sure Consciousness occupies, or moves around any particular part of the anatomy. The entire package is a manifestation of Consciousness. Perhaps what the brain does in this instance is merely an artifact of the physical event, and has nothing to do with Consciousness per se; kind of like trying to keep your eyes open when you sneeze. :) What show up on a brain scan are the manifestations of Consciousness, not Consciousness itself.

And I'm just rambling here, and have no idea what the hell I'm talking about! . . . :roll:
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Re: The Orgasm Phenomenon - Lightning before a storm?

Post by JaJa » Thu Jan 27, 2011 3:52 am

StevenJay wrote:After reconsideration, I'm not so sure Consciousness occupies, or moves around any particular part of the anatomy. The entire package is a manifestation of Consciousness.
Yes. Agreed. However, consciousness does appear to be located (in the broadest sense) behind my eyes, if not located, then "focused" at that location.
Perhaps what the brain does in this instance is merely an artifact of the physical event, and has nothing to do with Consciousness per se
Well, it appears that the brain is involved in the orgasm up until a critical point, at which point it quite suddenly and unexpectedly becomes silent, redundant if you like. The point I am trying to make is that according to science, when there is no electrical activity in the brain, a person is thought to be "brain-dead", and yet, quite clearly, the women is not brain dead but very conscious of what is taking place. If conscious experience at that point is not focused in the brain then it must be "focused" in the heart (the heart is seen as a brain in its own right - see neurocardiology), indicating there are two view-points in which consciousness can manifest or concentrate itself.
What show up on a brain scan are the manifestations of Consciousness, not Consciousness itself.
Agreed. Electrical activity is just a signature.
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Re: The Orgasm Phenomenon - Lightning before a storm?

Post by StevenJay » Thu Jan 27, 2011 9:18 am

JaJa wrote:[...]consciousness does appear to be located (in the broadest sense) behind my eyes, if not located, then "focused" at that location.
Good point. I wonder though; would a life-long blind and/or deaf person experience that same sense of location or focus?

My experience with iso-tanks (sensory deprivation), back when they were all the rage, was every bit as revealing as any 'shroom experience. A common experiential thread among those who partook, myself included, was a strong sense that Consciousness was non-local, rather than being anchored in the physical body (which, at that point, felt all but non-existent). As you might imagine, that tended to freak some people out. I found it to be deliciously enticing. But then, I'm a weirdo. 8-)

Of course, none of that really explains the temporary lack of brain activity this thread is addressing. . . does it? Perhaps the brain, like the ego, has been way over-rated. Perhaps our investigations of it are as skewed as mainstream cosmology's investigations of the cosmos. Maybe we're making irrelevant observations and asking irrelevant questions. . .

Hey, I'm just spit-balling here. . . no place else to go with this, other than to sit down and shut up! :|
It's all about perception.

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Re: The Orgasm Phenomenon - Lightning before a storm?

Post by KeepitRealMark » Thu Jan 27, 2011 9:56 am

Hey Jaja..

I was just looking at this thread.
My Favorite Female looked over at my screen and asked… “what is that saying about orgasms?”
I replied…“just talking about what happens to a woman’s brain at the time of an orgasm”.
She replied… “Lets go have one, and I’ll try to focus on my mind over my body and tell you what happens”


I want to Thank You for providing the inspiration.
I'll come back in a while and give an update on her experience.... maybe.

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