current flows

[kevin]

JaJa,
I didn't solve the ultimate question,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aboZctrHfK8
Kevin

[GaryN]

is it a complete figure of eight or two seperate circles spinning around a central point in opposing directions

The twisted torus is likely the model.

If you have a rubber ring (I'm using an old vacuum cleaner belt) and apply twist in
various combinations, you can get the infinity symbol. If you think of an electron
traveling in this torus, then you create a dipole field.
You'll find that your rubber torus will snap into a number of 'comfortable' configurations,
and one of them is a double infinity shape.

Think of the red line in this animation being the path of an electron.
Here we have the origin of the quadrupole design the ancients were so fond of.
The quadrupole field is the base for the formation of much of our reality. IMO.
You think they were trying to tell us something?
http://curvebank.calstatela.edu/index/rose4.gif

[seasmith]

kevin
I see( litterally at times) all as ONE, one substance with a force permeating it that can locally orientate the so so small points of this one substance to arrange into what We call mass and matter.

yeah, that happens to me sometimes...









http://pointillistponderings.files.word ... n09211.jpg
http://pointillistponderings.files.word ... cn0828.jpg
http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs46/i/2010/ ... 1rgxz7.jpg

cheers,
s

[JaJa]

JaJa,
I didn't solve the ultimate question,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aboZctrHfK8
Kevin

lol... perhaps it is structured in such a way that is unsolveable maybe?

[JaJa]

@GaryN

thank you, great analogy and explanation. Like the animation to. In this do you think an electron is an object or a current, or does it really matter, either way an EM field will be present right as it goes through its loops, which means the EM field will follow the direction of the motion and effectively rotate? Wouldn't that in itself create a vortex?

JJ

@seasmith

those are brilliant photos, can i ask what they are?

[GaryN]

In this do you think an electron is an object or a current

Hi Jaja,
I'm in the 'electron as spherical standing wave' camp.

This neccesitates a belief in an Aether, but I think the Aether is also
composed of waves.
http://mwolff.tripod.com/8f.html

Conclusions:
The most extraordinary conclusion of the wave-electron structure is that the laws of physics and the structure of matter ultimately depend upon the total of all matter in a universe. Every particle communicates its wave state with all other matter so that energy exchange and the laws of physics are properties of the entire matter ensemble. The behavior of matter arises from itself. Mach's Principle, which conspicuously displays inter-dependence of matter, is just one of a family of inter-dependent principles.

http://mwolff.tripod.com/body_8f.html#Using

Wouldn't that in itself create a vortex?

I wasn't thinking about the vortex with this idea, rather how the electron can assume
complex though stable orbits.

[mathew]

great discussion!
here are some good standing wave videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BTcmuGdLCU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ekp1OKi6e4o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0xcakBmElU

"i have read it said, in the beginning there was the word, and the word was god.
i have never read it said, in the beginning, there was thought, and the thought, was to think."
-john trudell

this quote seems relevant to me because like water, there seems to be some kind of intelligence behind the basic mechanics. imho

dr. masaru emoto:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1-0ulKgmio

[david lambright]

In this do you think an electron is an object or a current

Hi Jaja,
I'm in the 'electron as spherical standing wave' camp.

This neccesitates a belief in an Aether, but I think the Aether is also
composed of waves.
http://mwolff.tripod.com/8f.html

Conclusions:
The most extraordinary conclusion of the wave-electron structure is that the laws of physics and the structure of matter ultimately depend upon the total of all matter in a universe. Every particle communicates its wave state with all other matter so that energy exchange and the laws of physics are properties of the entire matter ensemble. The behavior of matter arises from itself. Mach's Principle, which conspicuously displays inter-dependence of matter, is just one of a family of inter-dependent principles.

http://mwolff.tripod.com/body_8f.html#Using

Wouldn't that in itself create a vortex?

I wasn't thinking about the vortex with this idea, rather how the electron can assume
complex though stable orbits.

i like this thread, guys!...david

[JaJa]

thanx Gary for the link to the website, slightly off the trail this struck me;

A particle entirely alone in the universe could not have dimensions of time, length, or mass. These dimensions are meaningless without the existence of other matter because dimensions can only be defined by comparison with other matter.

i was saying the exact same thing about self-awareness in another thread...

but, back to this thread. plz bear with me, i'm a student

if an electron is a standing wave, then its kinda broadcasting a signal right, rather than actually moving, as in zipping around in an orbit. Can i use an analogy of a nerve cell broadcasting a signal to a neuron in the brain and back again, via a pathway of interlinked standing waves to complete a circuit carrying information?

i suppose my question would be, what is the nature of the impulse or the energy that is being exchanged?

am off to read Milo Wolff

[JaJa]

"i have read it said, in the beginning there was the word, and the word was god.
i have never read it said, in the beginning, there was thought, and the thought, was to think."
-john trudell

i totally dig that - the big bang as a thought that put in motion the process of thinking

[JaJa]

i like this thread, guys!...david

can you add to it david?

JJ

[mathew]

Kevin said-

This system leads to infinite unique pathways that
attract each other in geometric fashion in
accordance with fibonacci sequencing.

http://www.pfm.howard.edu/astronomy/Cha ... chor-53188