Recovered: Cymatics

[bboyer]

Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 11:16 pm Post subject:

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Man that is one of the coolest,most exiting things ive read in a while!
Thank you for that RC!

OP "Plasmatic MnemoHistory"

[bboyer]

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 2:06 am Post subject:

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Man that is one of the coolest,most exiting things ive read in a while!
Thank you for that RC!

My pleasure!

Sidenote: I was curious as to why it seemed Dr. Benveniste's web site had no data or updates past 2000-2001. He appears to have passed on in 2004 according to the header at this link http://www.lsbu.ac.uk/water/memory.html. "Jacques Benveniste, 1935-2004."

Best
Arc-us

[bboyer]

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 3:35 am Post subject:

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A few more links of interest on the subject of The Memory of Water:

LINK: Water Structure And Science|Memory of Water

From the above url:

"The process of silica dissolution has been much studied [1109, 1207] ever since it was proven by Lavoisier over 200 years ago and fits with this argument. This may explain why glass is preferred over polypropylene tubes. It should be noted that dissolved silica is capable of forming solid particles with complementary structures (that is, imprints) to dissolved solutes and macromolecules and such particles will 'remember' these complementary structures essentially forever." (emphasis added)

Silica is interesting in this context of memory 1) considering its abundance in the Earth's crust 2) considering how it would relate to the abundance of water of this planet (at least post-catastrophe/Golden Age) 3) considering the previous posts earlier about the pyramids of Egypt - particularly Prof. Barsoum's data on silica in his analysis of the building blocks and his information about one of SRI's (Stanford Research Institute, the U.S. government's spook-sponsored organization) experiments:

One of the conclusions of the Stanford Research
Institute Electromagnetic Sounder Experiment on the
Giza plateau in 1975 was: “Observation of
construction practices made visible by the digging
efforts in various forced entrances disclose a much
more common use of irregular blocks and debris fill,
particularly in Chephren's and Mycerinus' pyramids,
than is commonly appreciated.”

This experiment failed because the Pyramid stones
absorbed the EM radiation as a result of their high
water content. The researchers estimated that the
Great Pyramid contained 100 million gallons of water!

http://www.materials.drexel.edu/Pyramid ... _Lores.pdf

and 4) the data about the silica nanospheres Prof. Barsoum mentions at the end of his presentation.

Also from the first mentioned url above: "There is a strange occurrence, similar to the ‘memory of water’, in enzyme chemistry where an effectively non-existent material still has a major effect; enzymes prepared in buffers of known pH retain (remember) those specific pH-dependent kinetic properties even when the water is removed such that no hydrogen ions are present [1208]; these ions seemingly having an effect in their absence somewhat against common sense at the simplistic level. Water does store and transmit information, concerning solutes, by means of its hydrogen-bonded network. Changes to this clustering network brought about by solutes may take some time to re-equilibrate. Agitation (succussion) may also have an effect on the hydrogen bonded network (shear encouraging destructuring) and the gaseous solutes (with critical effect on structuring [294] and possible important production of structuring nanobubbles (nanocavities) [993]), and such effects may well contribute to the altered heats of dilution with such materials" (emphasis added)

I don't know if anything further should be, or could be, made about the nanospheres. I'm surmising that the formation of the nanosphere is likely linked to catastrophic-style electrical/plasma effects on the area and not due to whatever processes the pyramid builders were engaged in in producing their geopolymer?

Pure speculation here, of course, but I wonder if perhaps there is something more to the mystique of ancient pyramids worldwide. Could there perhaps be a link to stored memories in the very stones of the pyramids, and possibly other ancient sites? Could this be part of their power of fascination, through co-resonance, over our minds and imagination? And part of the "occult" (hidden) experience by those who make pilgrimages to the sites? Given that there is an estimated 100 million gallons of water effused throughout the stones in the Great Pyramid alone? Is there also a link to the human voice and hearing with respect to Dr. Benveniste's discovery of molecular beat frequencies within the human auditory range? Has the voice of the god(s) been subsumed within these sites (not to mention the oceanic seas, the atmosphere over our heads, and the very earth beneath our feet)?

Ignoring implications for spiritual aspects, our physical bodies like all others here emerge from, are born of, this Earth. And average anywhere from 55-78% (with infants having the most) water. Could this form the physcial link to common memories and collective consciousness? Is this the physical reality behind, for example, Sheldrake's morphogenetic field?

Other interesting links:
Water Structure And Science Main Page (index)
Water Structure And Science|Homeopathy
Why Water is Weird
CHAPTER 11: CAN WE PROVE HOMEOPATHY?|The Benveniste affair] (about 1/3 down the page)

Best,
Arc-us

[bboyer]

Tue Jul 03, 2007 12:01 am Post subject:

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Don't know if this was discussed in relation to cymatics or not:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Chladni

http://www.physics.montana.edu/demonstr ... lates.html

Seems the gent used sand and vibrating plates to derive certain information about musical instruments like guitars/violins, resonances, etc. Interesting-ish...

~Michael

OP "mgmirkin"

[bboyer]

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 12:53 am Post subject: D²O memory.

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Hi Arc-us.

I think this http://www.vhan.nl/documents/Rey.thermoluminescence.pdf may interest you.
Thermoluminescence experiences on heavy water (D²O) memory.

(My opinion? Oh hydrogen-bond network... Oh electromagnetic secrets of life...)

Cheers.

Klar.

OP "Klar DC"

[bboyer]

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 3:37 pm Post subject: Re: D²O memory.

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Hi Arc-us.

I think this pdf may interest you.
Thermoluminescence experiences on heavy water (D²O) memory.

(My opinion? Oh hydrogen-bond network... Oh electromagnetic secrets of life...)

Cheers.

Klar.

Yes. Thank you very much. I will study it this week.

Best,
Arc-us

[bboyer]

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 3:40 pm Post subject:

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Don't know if this was discussed in relation to cymatics or not:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Chladni

http://www.physics.montana.edu/demonstr ... lates.html

Seems the gent used sand and vibrating plates to derive certain information about musical instruments like guitars/violins, resonances, etc. Interesting-ish...

~Michael

Thanks, Michael. I posted a short video clip (youtube, I think) of it early on in the thread that demonstrated it using a violin bow drawn over a steel plate producing cellular structuring and other patterns. Was, indeed, interesting.

Arc-us

[bboyer]

Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 10:21 pm Post subject: Re: Water World: The Memory of Water

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The Memory of Water
The Memory of Molecules

Am revisiting this information from when I ran across it some time around 2002 according to the file dates on my computer.


{SNIP}

to set up new empty tubes in the rack. It took a few weeks more to built missing devices, tune up the machine and understand the conditions for it to function in a consistent manner. Since then, it has yielded positive results in about 90% of the experiments.

As an example, from Nov 15 to Nov 24, 2000, we have identified blind 104 heparin from 104 control signals. Twelve heparin signals were negative, some failures being due to a faulty mechanical part of the machine and some to non-reactive plasmas. We have built a second machine (thanks to two generous donators) which is now in an external laboratory where independent researchers will perform the experiment in the coming weeks. We can reasonably expect to bring one of the two machines (and, if we find the funds, about $40,000, a third one) to a foreign laboratory, in the UK and in the USA.

(continues at)

2001 Update (newsletter)
http://www.digibio.com/doc/nl2001-1us.pdf


LINK: Video of the automated Plasma Coagulation experiment
This movie is 13 minutes long.
It shows a full length experiment of blood coagulation delayed with the electromagnetic signal of the Heparin anti-coagulant.

LINK:Electromagnetically Activated Water and the Puzzle of the Biological Signal links to Cavendish Laboratory at University of Cambridge

This is it. Thank you. I was, in my mind trying to bridge biological systems and physical systems to cymatics and plasma. I see vibrations do create repeatable patterns. Plasma causes vibrations inand of itself, and molecules and elements can be seen not as discrete objects, but "resonance frequencies". All the science we have in chemistry then is more like the epicycle system, with points of understanding and use, but truly misguided in it's attempt to understand chemical reactions.

Heat, catalysts etc are assisting in making the molecules VIBRATE more, and have a higher chance of reacting, but we are misguiding in thinking that they "fit together" and physcially have to be held by the catalyst or some such. The electro-properities of each molecule need to be considered and making different molecules from other molecules (alchemy) is directly achievable.

I am going to go read more here. Very stunning.


By the way, this lends more credence to the "collective mind" ideas too. Not alot, but information over a distance is what we are talking about, and his system is a natural system for it.
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Krackonis

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OP "Krackonis"

[bboyer]

Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 10:26 pm Post subject: A new sort of electron waves: acoustic surface plasmons.

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Don't know if this was discussed in relation to cymatics or not:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Chladni

http://www.physics.montana.edu/demonstr ... lates.html

Seems the gent used sand and vibrating plates to derive certain information about musical instruments like guitars/violins, resonances, etc. Interesting-ish...

~Michael

Thanks, Michael. I posted a short video clip (youtube, I think) of it early on in the thread that demonstrated it using a violin bow drawn over a steel plate producing cellular structuring and other patterns. Was, indeed, interesting.

Arc-us

Hi Arc-us, Hi Michael.

Talking about sound waves, look at this http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/ ... 070307.php.

DURHAM, N.H. – New research led by University of New Hampshire physicists has proved the existence of a new type of electron wave on metal surfaces: the acoustic surface plasmon, which will have implications for developments in nano-optics, high-temperature superconductors, and the fundamental understanding of chemical reactions on surfaces. The research, led by Bogdan Diaconescu and Karsten Pohl of UNH, is published in the July 5 issue of the journal “Nature.”

Chrs.
Marcos.

OP "Klar DC"

[bboyer]

Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 6:29 pm Post subject: Back to Cymatics...

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I'm a newbie here, so my aplogies if this sounds amatuerish or repetitious.

One of the notable attributes of the Electric Universe is the fact properties and behaviors of plasma will replicate across so many orders of magnitude. Think: Fractal.

Cymatics should be viewed in a similar perspective, that it is, once the universe finds a solution that works it will employ it across as many stages and arenas as possible. It should come as no surprise to anyone that sounds waves behave in similar manner to EM waves, since they are merely different aspects of a common mechanism that Mother Nature has seen fit to re-use. Think: Convergent Evolution.

I submit the following excerpt for consideration:

In Switzerland during the past ten years Hans Jenny has been refining Cladni's figures and producing elegant proof that form is a function of frquency. One of his inventions is a "tonoscope," which converts sounds into visible three-dimensional patterns in inert material. This can be used with the human voice as the sound source, and when someone speaks the letter O into the microphone, it produces a perfectly spherical pattern. The sphere is one of nature's basic forms, but it is startling to discover that the shape produced by the frequency of the O sound is exactly the shape we have chosen to represent it pictorially in our script. It raises spectres of ancient beliefs that words and names had properties of their own. Today we still tend to regard personal names as something special, and find that children are often anxious to conceal theirs. Young children in particular always demand to know what the name of a thing is, naver questioning that it has one, and regard this as a valuable acquisition. It is possible that words have a power by virtue of their own special frequencies? Can magic words and sacred formulas and chants in fact exert an influence that differs from other sounds chosen at random? It seems so, and with Jenny's discovery of word patterns, I find myself looking with some discomfort and awe at St. John's assertion, "In the beginning was the Word."

"Supernature, A Natural History of the Supernatural"
Copyright @ 1973 By Lyall Watson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyall_Watson)
Page 92

Someone mentioned Rupert Sheldrake (http://www.sheldrake.org/homepage.html, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rupert_Sheldrake) and his Theory of Morphogenic Fields:
If you have read his books, you know that the concept extends far beyond simple templates for species, but into social templates and even atomic templates. It would seem to me that the EU and the Theory of Morphogenic Fields fit together like a hand and glove; common patterns reappearing across multiple environments.

Just my $.02 worth.

OP "O-nami"

[bboyer]

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 1:20 pm Post subject: Re: Back to Cymatics...

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I'm a newbie here, so my aplogies if this sounds amatuerish or repetitious.

Just my $.02 worth.

Thanks, and welcome, O-nami. Your $.02 is a pretty much a nice summary of the whole thread. So knock it off. What are you trying to do, kill it? (just kidding)

Regards,
Arc-us

[bboyer]

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 5:16 pm Post subject:

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What are you trying to do, kill it? (just kidding)

No, far from it...I'm, just hesitating a bit before jumping feet-first into the deep end.

However, nothing ventured, nothing gained, so here goes:

I saw a reference to "scalar weapons like HAARP" in one of the postings. I suspect I'll get a heap of scorn for saying this, but: I'm assuming there is some familiarity here with Thomas Bearden's theories on Scalar Electromagnetics (http://www.cheniere.org/toc.html) ?

I don't have enough mathematics under my belt to do more than balance my checkbook (and my wife will disagree even with that statement), but I've been digging around Bearden's website for the last couple of years, trying to follow his reasoning. I have to say, as a physics and electronics simpleton, that his theories have an internal consistency that feels right. Like EU, he expands the concept to include a wide variety of topics (yes, the most spectacular/controversial is the weapons applications), which I find not only esthetically appealing but necessary. (I've tried to do the same for Jack Sarfatti's -- http://www.stardrive.org/title.shtml -- Theory of Back-Activity, but it doesn't have the same "expandable umbrella" format.) I'm not sure how compatible SE and EU are, but I'm open to the possibilities.

Which brings me once again to Cymatics...and Water Memory (and while you're at it, check out Masaru Emoto's Hado site at https://www.hado.net/)...and pyramid stuff. They all have that certain feel to them, that you're getting a brief glimpse of the figure behind the curtain.
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OP "O-nami"

[bboyer]

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 6:15 pm Post subject: Water

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Just jumped in here as I was searching whether any post has been made on a (perhaps) new topic I wanted to start:

"AS ABOVE SO BELOW"

We are guessing about giantic Birkeland flows in space and - instead of looking far-out - perhaps we should search right before our nose. E.g. watch this pic of a red blood cell:



You see a network of many different protein filaments, but look at the most common - spectrin - making up those paired long 'spokes'...

As the above is a schematic drawing only here is the actual pic:



I can't help myself, but again I see double layers, and stars connected by twisted paired filaments.

The world of proteins are a goldmine, anyhow. As my speciality was once about the research of water (I can tell you exactly how homeopathy works within the cellular structure... ... and WHY water works as it works...) I did watch lots of proteins through electron microscope. You know what? They look like Lichtenberg figures....

Didn't someone say once that "you can find the whole Universe inside of our body"? I can agree on that...


FS3

OP "FS3"

[bboyer]

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 6:26 pm Post subject: Re: Water Reply with quote

As my speciality was once about the research of water (I can tell you exactly how homeopathy works within the cellular structure... Wink... and WHY water works as it works...)

Can't speak for anyone else, but I'd be interested in both explanations.
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OP "O-nami"

[bboyer]

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 9:12 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

So, no one's gonna bite on the Scalar Electromagnetics hook?

I gather, then, that the subject has been discussed elsewhere, and I just haven't found it yet...
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OP "O-nami"