Recovered: Cymatics

[Lloyd]

Sally wrote: yet we have redshift data suggesting that we are still moving apart .. from some previous heretofore unknown event? ...

* The redshift appears to be due largely to ionization, not to velocity or distance. There was no Big Bang. The universe is not expanding significantly.

Ostensibly, Seven Macaw had taught that the Pole was the place of the center (Duat), and really it is galactic center
... I wonder what things it may correlate with

* In mythology the Center doesn't refer to the center of the galaxy. It refers to the center of the sky and to the north pole of the Earth. There was a plasma column from the north pole of Earth to the north pole of the sky. The galaxy was not visible to the ancients. Not even the sun was visible. What they called the sun was actually Saturn. Earth was a satellite of Saturn. Saturn was in the Center of the sky. The Saturn system didn't enter the solar system until maybe 10 thousand years ago. The system broke up about 4500 years ago and merged with the solar system.
* The images of stick men above were what the plasma column sometimes looked like.
* You can do a search on this site for "Saturn" or "Saturn system" and learn a lot more. You can also learn a lot of the basics by reading articles at http://kronia.com/thoth.html.

[WCSally]

Sally wrote: yet we have redshift data suggesting that we are still moving apart .. from some previous heretofore unknown event? ...

* The redshift appears to be due largely to ionization, not to velocity or distance. There was no Big Bang. The universe is not expanding significantly.

Ostensibly, Seven Macaw had taught that the Pole was the place of the center (Duat), and really it is galactic center
... I wonder what things it may correlate with

* In mythology the Center doesn't refer to the center of the galaxy. It refers to the center of the sky and to the north pole of the Earth. There was a plasma column from the north pole of Earth to the north pole of the sky. The galaxy was not visible to the ancients. Not even the sun was visible. What they called the sun was actually Saturn. Earth was a satellite of Saturn. Saturn was in the Center of the sky. The Saturn system didn't enter the solar system until maybe 10 thousand years ago. The system broke up about 4500 years ago and merged with the solar system.
* The images of stick men above were what the plasma column sometimes looked like.
* You can do a search on this site for "Saturn" or "Saturn system" and learn a lot more. You can also learn a lot of the basics by reading articles at http://kronia.com/thoth.html.

So you belong to the "some inner rocky planets are children of Saturn, which came into the Solar System sometime back" .. I am guessing.

I lean more toward the Milkyway collided with the Dwarf Sagittarius Galaxy some time back when --- and that caused much havoc, many asteroids, Retrograde Orbits, the loss of planet 5, Mars becomes a lump of sad rock in a desperate orbit, and many new moons are born to planets because of the destruction of planet 5 (Ceres?) or other factors. Venus may be an expulsion product of Saturn, possibly. I think more was going on that we will ever really know. I would like to map the asteroid belt and look for "trends" in distribution there. If time has not erased them all.

I am a steady state person myself, but you think Redshif has another explanation? ... ionization?

Our Local Group is moving toward something, and is possibly anchored by the dwarf in Sirius?

Actually the Maya did have Galactic Knowledge .. As did the Egyptians; the Galaxy hub and arms are Nut's body.

It was at Izapa that the Olmec made the Long Count which has everyone buzzing over 2012.
Izappa uses mountains and etc to target significant areas of the stars. ~and the Galactic Hub

It was also a teaching space, where the young men went to learn the new calendar, and to become familiar with the forces which "governed life on Earth" from their point of view. The Izapa University has actually been documented and mapped as to how information was taught; and the stelle, and ect are ~'mostly' translated.
Lots of Pictures:
http://www.delange.org/Izapa/Izapa.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izapa

[Lloyd]

I gather that you're not interested in learning the main theses of this website, even if they're much better researched and supported than your theory.

[WCSally]

I gather that you're not interested in learning the main theses of this website, even if they're much better researched and supported than your theory.

No so.
I came over here to broaden my view, and pick up new perspectives and knowledge. I noticed that some of the brighter and more tuned in posters on another board favored this place, so now... here I am.

Because I offer what I have read ... what I have been told, and what seems to be an accepted common ideology, does not mean I am stuck in those ruts, it just means I have been there and digested that, and feel like I have some understanding of it. It is certainly not limiting, or a devotion, or an adherence; such things only keep us mired in one veiw. Still, we must learn to balance before we can walk! Generally we speak before we can read, and we hypothesize before we set out to prove or disprove. ...

What gave you the idea I was ideologically "stuck"?

I really do not know my way around here, however, that much is very clear. I spent 40 minutes looking for a post and an Image of the Day ... which I finally found by using Google Search! ... It is not your fault, I am often unable to see what is before my eyes, the internal eyes get more of a workout as a general rule.

So ... if there is a base thread (s) to understanding the premises of the theory ... please point me in the proper direction.

[Lloyd]

* They seem to be shy about discussing the Saturn Theory on this forum. They used to have a section devoted to it, but they no longer show it here. So the best place to find info on it on the net is probably what I mentioned above:
http://kronia.com/thoth.html.

[moses]

The Saturn System can be discussed on the Everything is Electric forum:
http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php
Mo

[webolife]

Sally,
The "redshift" idea you are wondering about comes from Halton Arp's research as exampled in his book "Seeing Red".
Someone better attuned to the tech of this site can list some of the better TPODs that will give you a digested storyline, such as the recent TPOD, Dec 29, for starters.

[nick c]

Here is a list of TPOD's dealing with the interpretation of the redshift:
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/00sub ... m#Redshift

[Lloyd]

* Some of the links on this webpage are probably the more thorough explanations of redshift by Thornhill:
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp& ... 32dbb01be6.

[junglelord]

Bad link lloyd.

[bboyer]

Bad link lloyd.

I think he was just presenting a Google search-page result of Wal's site using this criterion: "site:holoscience.com redshift"

Which reminds me, the best method for searching the fora here is to use one of the main search engines rather than the native built-in search (which is completely inadequate). So, using Google for example:

"site:thunderbolts.info/forum <search term(s)>" e.g. site:thunderbolts.info/forum resonant circuit

For Bing (Microsoft's search), it's reversed i.e. search terms come first, then site name: "<search term(s)> site:thunderbolts.info/forum" e.g. resonant circuit site:thunderbolts.info/forum

To search the Thunderblogs, the site name is "thunderbolts.info/thunderblogs". For Tpods, it's "thunderbolts.info/tpod". For the entire site it's just the domain name "thunderbolts.info".

[Lloyd]

JL said: Bad link lloyd.

The link works fine.

[WCSally]

Lots to look at!

Thanks!!

[GaryN]

How much longer can they deny us vibrationists a place in the upper boards?

Golden Ratio Discovered in Quantum World: Hidden Symmetry Observed for the First Time in Solid State Matter

Here the tension comes from the interaction between spins causing them to magnetically resonate. For these interactions we found a series (scale) of resonant notes: The first two notes show a perfect relationship with each other. Their frequencies (pitch) are in the ratio of 1.618…, which is the golden ratio famous from art and architecture.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 143909.htm

Vibrationism has to do with the primary activity of our universe, which, simply put, is in constant motion. There is no thing that is not in motion. Vibration is the unending agitation of any form of matter from the formally immeasurable to the currently seeable. Vibration is a condition which is without beginning or end, a universal constant. Further, vibration is similar to a kind of writing in that its interaction with any other vibrating things
causes patterns.

http://www.beatsupernovarasa.com/miscel ... ionism.htm

[bboyer]

[copied from another thread]

The below included post is an excerpt from my article on Cymatics - Sacred Geometry - DNA. Thank you to the forum member who posted it here some time ago.

http://timberwolfhq.com/cymatics-sacred-geometry-dna/

Dr Jenny’s work related to the cyclic nature and interval between wave frequencies. His work was inspired by the sound and frequency project of Ernst Chladni (b. 1756 – d. 1827) who demonstrated the organising power of sound and vibration by representing the frequencies visually. His method of developing these organised regular geometric shapes very simple. He used a suspended metal plate, usually clamped at its centre while the majority of the plate remained reasonably free to vibrate. He would then use a violin bow to excite sand particles placed on the plate which in turn generated the geometric shapes.

Dr. Jenny’s research was scrupulously recorded and is totally reproducible. For 14 years he experimented with sound frequencies, using them to excite various powders, pastes and liquids which resulted in the generation of flowing geometric patterns. He found these shapes reflected in nature, art and architecture. All the geometric forms were generated using pure tones within the audible sound range. When you look at Dr Jenny’s work you see is the physical representation of vibration. His work demonstrates effectively how sound is able to create geometric patterns in various materials.

For those of you interested in the subject of Cymatics, please check out my article on "Decoding the Language of the Universe Through Cymatics" which provides a review of the work being conducted in this area by John Stuart Reid. You can find it here: http://timberwolfhq.com/decoding-the-universe-cymatics/

Timberwolf