Harvesting electricity from space?

[What_is_that]

Long time lurker here and I finally decided to sign up because this idea has been bugging me for a while now as to whether its possible or not.

I've watched the Electric Universe videos on Youtube and Google video, I've read the book The Electric Universe, and I've signed up for email updates and have been reading them for several months now, and the idea has been sticking with me consistently. I'm also constantly reminded of it through all the talk of needs for alternative forms of energy and such.

Would it be possible, someday in the future, to harvest the electricity from space?

Now, I'm no rocket scientist and my level of understanding is basic at best, but from how I understand it is there are currents connecting everything. It was recently 'discovered' that there is a connection between the Sun and Earth, and I just read the latest email update that has an article proposing a connection between the Sun and Saturn. So the current is flowing. Is that current in such a form that it can be harvested? Or perhaps captured and converted into usable energy? Maybe someday in the future?

Possible or not, I still like to entertain the idea.

Now, I'm not sure if this has been brought up before and I guess I have no way of finding out due to the forums having been brought down.

I hope this is the right place to ask this. I saw the forum title 'Mad Ideas' and figured this would be the best place.

[Samadhi]

at the cost per kilogram of getting material into space, and then of beaming it back to earth, I'd stick to wind and sun.

[MAXXXX2008]

STUBBEFELD
TESLA
BENDINI
TOM BEARDEN
KEELYNET

T HENRY MOREY
BOOK- "THE SEA OF ENERGY AROUND US"
WILLIAM R LYNE

[Tina]

Long time lurker here and I finally decided to sign up ......Would it be possible, someday in the future, to harvest the electricity from space? ....... the current is flowing. Is that current in such a form that it can be harvested? Or perhaps captured and converted into usable energy? Maybe someday in the future?

Welcome to Thunderbolts!

I don't think we can beat solar power - once we better understand how the sun is energizing life we will be able to more efficiently harness the Sun's electric power...Current technology is only beginning to recognise this potential. But there are other "electric" developments that will impact greatly on harnessing natural electronic energy as witnessed by the recent discovery of the actual electronic structure of DNA and the impact it will have on nanotechnology and the development of molecular computing networks etc.

[MGmirkin]

Well, if failed tether experiments (dragging a long conductive piece of material through the Earth's upper atmosphere / magnetic field), it's possible to induce some currents. Whether it's possible to get more power out than the power cost of getting materials into space to harvest it...? That's another question, methinks.

~Michael Gmirkin

[Solar]

STUBBEFELD
TESLA
BENDINI
TOM BEARDEN
KEELYNET

T HENRY MOREY
BOOK- "THE SEA OF ENERGY AROUND US"
WILLIAM R LYNE

I'd like to add:
Konstantin Meyl,

Harold Aspden,

Aetherometry,

Cold Fusion,

and Sonoluminescence (one of my favorite words)

..and also the Searl Effect (better to look on Youtube etc for John Searl to get an understanding of what he did)

..and; Wilhelm Reich and the "universal energy" he called "orgone energy". His story is also available on YouTube.

...to this list. Several experiments wherein "anomalous" energy exceeding the input energy by several factors have already demonstrated that one doesn't need the engineering nightmare of figuring out a way to get electricity from space down to earth. The energy is already here and readily available as Maxx has eluded to.

There just isn't any interest in upsetting the physics applecart and tearing down massive established patterns and institutions to develop and acquire it. The whole "energy from the vacuum" genre keeps popping up as a verified alternative and it's pretty much allowed to just sit there in favor of ...?? We can 'tap' it here on earth.

[dpres]

Would it be possible, someday in the future, to harvest the electricity from space?

I got the following mail just today, maybe it is of some interest in this context:

Announcing: THE ORION PROJECT

A new non-profit research foundation named The Orion Project (http://www.TheOrionProject.org) has been created to develop new, out-of-the-box energy solutions.

Based near the University of Virginia in Charlottesville, VA, The Orion Project has been founded to bring together highly accomplished scientists, researchers, inventors and thinkers who have expertise in advanced energy generation and propulsion technologies. Their goal is to develop bold new energy generation technologies within the next two years that will completely replace the need for oil, gas, coal and nuclear power.

It is known that, since the time of Nicola Tesla in the early 1900s, advances in energy generation and propulsion systems have been developed, only to be ignored, actively suppressed or forgotten. The Orion Project's Director, Steven M. Greer MD, notes that:

"In the past 18 years, our team has developed a database of scientific advances in new, clean tech energy systems that, if properly funded and supported, have the potential to completely revolutionize how we generate energy. These breakthroughs in physics- so-called Zero Point Energy, electro-gravitic propulsion and other systems- have, up to this point, been developed and hidden in illegally classified projects in the US, UK and elsewhere. The Orion Project has identified the most qualified brain-trust of scientists and inventors who understand this new science, and are ready to come together to help solve the energy and environmental crisis facing humanity today."

The Orion Project has announced a $3 million capital fund raising campaign so that these promising clean-technology energy researchers can be brought together in one place to build the initial proof of principle prototype to help solve the energy crisis once and for all. This prototype will be designed to meet all the energy needs of a typical home or business while having a zero-carbon footprint using new electromagnetic and related energy breakthroughs.

Dr. Greer states that, "The world needs an immediate Manhattan-style project to find real energy solutions and deliver them to the people. Now the public can support this quest through a tax-deductible donation. If 100,000 people go to http://www.TheOrionProject.org and contribute $30 each in the next 60 days, we will be able to open this new energy research facility and bring together some of the best minds on the planet to help solve our critical energy needs. Now is the time to act - the Earth has waited long enough for humanity to come together to find a way to live in harmony with her and with abundance and peace for all of her children. This cannot happen with the zero-sum game of fossil fuel. Only these new energy sciences hold the key to unlocking the wonderful future that awaits us."

For more information on The Orion Project and its specific scientific projects, or to request an interview with Dr. Steven Greer or Dr. Ted Loder, please go to http://www.TheOrionProject.org.

Dieter - dpres

[What_is_that]

Thanks for all the links.

I'll start reading!

[JoeTB]

STUBBEFELD
TESLA
BENDINI
TOM BEARDEN
KEELYNET

T HENRY MOREY
BOOK- "THE SEA OF ENERGY AROUND US"
WILLIAM R LYNE

I'd like to add:
Konstantin Meyl,

Harold Aspden,

Aetherometry,

Cold Fusion,

and Sonoluminescence (one of my favorite words)

..and also the Searl Effect (better to look on Youtube etc for John Searl to get an understanding of what he did)

..and; Wilhelm Reich and the "universal energy" he called "orgone energy". His story is also available on YouTube.

...to this list. Several experiments wherein "anomalous" energy exceeding the input energy by several factors have already demonstrated that one doesn't need the engineering nightmare of figuring out a way to get electricity from space down to earth. The energy is already here and readily available as Maxx has eluded to.

There just isn't any interest in upsetting the physics applecart and tearing down massive established patterns and institutions to develop and acquire it. The whole "energy from the vacuum" genre keeps popping up as a verified alternative and it's pretty much allowed to just sit there in favor of ...?? We can 'tap' it here on earth.

So besides the biographies, what or where are the theories, and are there any that seem more feasable than others? I'm familiar with Tesla, and believe he has earned 'credibility' and should be taken seriously.

[Anaconda]

Harvesting electricity from space would be the biggest advance of Mankind in the last 300 years because it by-passes mechanical conversion of motion into electricity, but, rather, taps directly into the primary energy of the Universe without a conversion process. There is usually a tremendous loss of efficiency and power with "conversions".

Being able to directly tap the "work wheel" of Nature as Tesla envisioned would allow Man to achieve incredible progress, both material and spiritual.

Many readers already know I subscribe to Abiotic Oil theory, but that does not mean I'm opposed to new sources of energy, quite the contrary, particularly when this access to electrical energy would be on an unprecedented technological scale that at full tilt would be cheaper than oil, so that oil would not be displaced because there is none left or it is so expensive, but because a much cheaper replacement energy has been developed that forces oil to complete, and, therefore, forces oil to lower it's cost to stay as a competive alternative.

Tesla was looking for this source of energy and he thought he found it, but it never got into production (how far away from reality Tesla ever got is up to debate).

There are some basic requirements to achieve this ability:

-- Control of electricity without wires.

-- Catching the electricity received from space, holding it and then being able to "feed" it into existing electricity grids.

-- Opening an artifical toroidal "portal' from the ionosphere to the surface.

-- Determining if there is enough electric potential between the ionosphere and the surface to justify the research and technology development (likely there is enough to justify research & development).

Look for follow up comments that address each of these issues in the future...

[GaryN]

We just need to get our priorities right. For a very small percentage of the world, or even just the USA military budget, we could have surplus power. We use 1 millionth of 1 percent of our daily solar receipts. Why do we keep looking for some magic source of free energy? We presently have huge amounts of unused manufacturing capacity, huge unemployment, polution, etc. Why don't we just get on with it?? Oh, yeah...capitalism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9Uo3KlW ... r_embedded

[Anaconda]

Hi GaryN:

We just need to get our priorities right. For a very small percentage of the world, or even just the USA military budget, we could have surplus power. We use 1 millionth of 1 percent of our daily solar receipts. Why do we keep looking for some magic source of free energy? We presently have huge amounts of unused manufacturing capacity, huge unemployment, polution, etc. Why don't we just get on with it?? Oh, yeah...capitalism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9Uo3KlW ... r_embedded

Well, "free energy" wouldn't be free, Tesla was wrong about that. The idea that you could just "plug" your stereo into the ground with somekind of stake is silly.

And Capitalism is a good thing...hell of a lot better than Socialism.

Real competition is a good thing.

Why don't "we just get on with it??"

Because most of "modern" science turned away from harnessing electrical energy from Natural sources when Tesla got "black balled" after his experimental tower didn't work.

But the energy is still there for the taking and selling

Necessity is the mother of invention, so they say, and Captialism, while it can and often does retard competition by way of oligarchies and monopolies, can result in beneficial competition.

It is a challenge to balance the good and the bad of Capitalism, but then again, Man is always trying to balance things, including "good" and "evil"

[junglelord]

Electric charge is everywhere, there is no reason we cannot harness the massive power of a lightning storm, or the waves, which are moved by charge more then gravity. Telsa was right, the earth is like a hollow copper sphere, and yes you can just stick a antenna in the ground and recieve longitudinal em waves.

[mharratsc]

The thing that always makes me uncomfortable in discussion about 'tapping into the power' is-

What makes us think that that power isn't already being used for something important?

We presume so much- Mankind isn't using that power 'over there' so let's take it and make it our own! ... Yet do we ever stop to look and see if the power is already doing something??

Harvesting wind energy- would that change weather patterns downwind that are essential for certain ecosystems?

Wave energy- same thing?

Now electrical- could that possibly adversely affect the ionosphere, or planetary magnetic field? Or would the entire world's energy budget just be a drop in the hat to the surplus of current going through our world?

The way I see it- our planet is the way that our planet is with all things as they currently are. Things are in Balance.

How far can we disturb that balance without damaging things any more than our digging and burning and dumping already have? :\

I have to say that so far I think that solar power seems to be our best choice. The Sun shines regardless. If we use that sunlight before it hits the Earth and heats it up like normal, the worst we have is- the ground is a little colder at that point

Considering how the Earth seems to be heating up recently- that might not be such a bad thing, actually!

Mind you- I'm not a die-hard 'solar hippy'... if you think other methods are just as safe and want to convince me- lay it on me!

Mike H.

[Riposte]

Oh, yeah...capitalism.

We haven't had capitalism in the United States for decades.

Capitalism requires that you lose when you do criminal or even foolish things; without the market punishing bad decisions (bank bailouts, TARP, refusal to enforce regulations and laws, insolvent banks lying about toxic debt, monetization of bad debt by the Fed, etc.) we don't have capitalism, we have kleptocracy.