Born as enlightened beingarc-us wrote:
Even this is too wordy. Too mentally busy. Too intellectual. [sigh]
Picked up distracting toys from the floor
Open the hands and let them fall back to where they have been
Done
Born as enlightened beingarc-us wrote:
Even this is too wordy. Too mentally busy. Too intellectual. [sigh]
never arrivedmague wrote:Born as enlightened beingarc-us wrote:
Even this is too wordy. Too mentally busy. Too intellectual. [sigh]
Picked up distracting toys from the floor
Open the hands and let them fall back to where they have been
Done
Yes, of course. Tis' the human way, I believe. We "have" a lovely mind, a wondrous tool, in any condition it may be found. Then, there is the nameless, thoughtless umm ... " [ ] " (sorry best I can do).Grey Cloud wrote:Hi Arc-us,
I can do it both ways. Mostly I contemplate upon things and, all else being equal, I 'see' how things fit together; what is correct and why and what is not correct and why. More rarely, I do the non-thinking where I 'empty my mind' and the 'thoughts' appear in it.
Either way, I don't like coming back here to the realm of avidya-maya I would sooner stay in the realm of vidya-maya.
Just for the record, I'm not claiming I know the Truth full stop or even period, only the Truth of what I think about.
I suppose it all boils down to how one defines 'thinking'. Most people only think they can think. I used to think I could think until a few years ago. For some reason my abiltiy to think moved onto a different level. Perhaps there are other levels still.
Just dawned on me, GC; what occurs when the thoughts appear within empty mind? Do you become distracted or bored and find yourself following them? Or do you just allow them to pass through as so much "weather"? Have you ever reached a point where your mind has just simply and finally settled, like the settling out of a stirred up glass of murky water until the clear and colorless remains, with no further arising of any thought? If so, did you take note of what was present at that instant, or was this [simple]... stillness of presence ... ignored or not noticed? Feel free to PM me if you'd rather not respond publicly. Anyways, that stillness of presence is what I'm speaking of in earlier posts; It will be found to be also "that" which is ... present ... in deep, dreamless sleep; "that" from which dreams and wakefulness emerge and return.Grey Cloud wrote:Hi Arc-us,
I can do it both ways. Mostly I contemplate upon things and, all else being equal, I 'see' how things fit together; what is correct and why and what is not correct and why. More rarely, I do the non-thinking where I 'empty my mind' and the 'thoughts' appear in it.
Hi arc-us,arc-us wrote:Just dawned on me, GC; what occurs when the thoughts appear within empty mind? Do you become distracted or bored and find yourself following them? Or do you just allow them to pass through as so much "weather"? Have you ever reached a point where your mind has just simply and finally settled, like the settling out of a stirred up glass of murky water until the clear and colorless remains, with no further arising of any thought? If so, did you take note of what was present at that instant, or was this [simple]... stillness of presence ... ignored or not noticed? Feel free to PM me if you'd rather not respond publicly. Anyways, that stillness of presence is what I'm speaking of in earlier posts; It will be found to be also "that" which is ... present ... in deep, dreamless sleep; "that" from which dreams and wakefulness emerge and return.Grey Cloud wrote:Hi Arc-us,
I can do it both ways. Mostly I contemplate upon things and, all else being equal, I 'see' how things fit together; what is correct and why and what is not correct and why. More rarely, I do the non-thinking where I 'empty my mind' and the 'thoughts' appear in it.
The part I've highlighted is exactly the way it happens with me. I plead guilty to the last part but there is something or someone who keeps my feet on the ground and helps me maintain a sense of perspective (i.e. I've come a fair way but I've still got a long way to go).... in contemplation, the knower is one with the thing known. However, the reflection of this contemplative Unity on the mental level (whose yogic site is the visshudha-chakra situated at the throat) is multiple, like the image of
the Sun reflected in the waves of the sea. We may be granted—or we may steal—a glimpse of spiritual Unity, but if we have not paid the price required for the full and stable realisation of that Unity, this incandescent glimpse will immediately fall to the level of discursive thought with its many voices; consequently the mental substance will
become over-energised, driving us to the obsessive and futile attempt — all-too-clearly in evidence in today’s world —to think every possible thought.
Ok, I think I understand where you're coming from. Thanks! We're not quite on the same page, but close. Probably about as good as it's gonna get considering the medium here.Grey Cloud wrote: I've just been re-reading Homer, Poet of Maya, which is also by Upton
This passage jumped out me:... in contemplation, the knower is one with the thing known. However, the reflection of this contemplative Unity on the mental level (whose yogic site is the visshudha-chakra situated at the throat) is multiple, like the image of
the Sun reflected in the waves of the sea. We may be granted—or we may steal—a glimpse of spiritual Unity, but if we have not paid the price required for the full and stable realisation of that Unity, this incandescent glimpse will immediately fall to the level of discursive thought with its many voices; consequently the mental substance will
become over-energised, driving us to the obsessive and futile attempt — all-too-clearly in evidence in today’s world —to think every possible thought.
The part I've highlighted is exactly the way it happens with me. I plead guilty to the last part but there is something or someone who keeps my feet on the ground and helps me maintain a sense of perspective (i.e. I've come a fair way but I've still got a long way to go).
The ten-page essay can be had here:
http://www.latrobe.edu.au/eyeoftheheart/issue4.html (Kudos to Stefan for unearthing this little gold-mine).
Iliad and Odyssey seasoned with Tao, Vedanta, Buddhism, Christianity and even Nordic myth. Well worth the time to read.
100% agree with that.never arrived
never left
always present
The NazareneLet the seeker not stop seeking until he finds. And when he finds, he will be greatly troubled. And after he has been troubled, he will be astonished, and he will reign over the All.
From my perspective you are on the same page, but both on a different side of that page.arc-us wrote:Ok, I think I understand where you're coming from. Thanks! We're not quite on the same page, but close. Probably about as good as it's gonna get considering the medium here.
Glad to share.Grey Cloud wrote:The ten-page essay can be had here:
http://www.latrobe.edu.au/eyeoftheheart/issue4.html (Kudos to Stefan for unearthing this little gold-mine).
The single biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place.
George Bernard Shaw
Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and right doing there is a field. I'll meet you there. When the soul lies down in that grass, the world is too full to talk about. Ideas, language, even the phrase "each other" doesn't make any sense.
Rumi
After a little bit of rest, it just popped into my head that, actually, we are on the same page with the highlighted part above, GC. I remembered the occasion that I had a similar ... shift ... to what you describe here. How I described it at the time was "finding my true [wordless / soundless] voice." Which seemed best described to me at the time, in after-the-fact contemplation of the phenomenon, as a sort of place of absolute sanctuary (albeit, "place" is misleading because there was/is no attribute of location involved). But all this without really naming it, just honoring - recognizing - it as it is, so to speak, without further need of embellishment or thought-form.Grey Cloud wrote: Hi arc-us,
Writing 'I empty my mind' was somewhat misleading. I didn't mean it in the sense of meditating, it's more a case of when I'm on automatic pilot doing a no-brainer like waiting for the kettle to boil or putting away my socks. Usually when I'm doing such things I'm actively thinking about something but, as I said, rarely I'm not thinking of anything in particular and - pop - some though or concept just appears 'out of the blue'. This is a recent development of the last several months.
After getting a little rest, I had a moment of personal clarity on the issue (see earlier posting).StefanR wrote: From my perspective you are on the same page, but both on a different side of that page.
I liked that scene, too. I found some semblance in it, if one considers the black frame surrounding the "observers" and the dynamic action being watched. "Benevolent force" ... "Benevolent Presence", or maybe even that which is presenting would have been more to the point[er], imo. Actually, neither benevolent nor malevolent; any adjectival appendage is simply anthropomorphic projection methinks (along the lines of Lloyd's "infinite caring") and is inappropriate.Other glimpses like GC's of what you mention Arc-us,in my view are like this somewhat, it should be recognizable I hope:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGWU4QhJ ... re=related
R U kidding?ps. Forgive my intrusion
CTJG 1986 wrote:
My view on human consciousness(or that of any sentient being) is that it doesn't exist, there is only universal consciousness and we simply are 'plugged in' to it, so to speak.
Not plugged. It is a twig out of a branch out of a stem. Mobile individuality is a ego based assumption. As Elijah mentioned, his son starts to recognize himself. It is no coincidence that this happens short after children discover their mobility and start to walk at 12+ months. A wireless notebook is still on a invisible rope. Its mobility is not exactly true, its always connected to the same net. Wired or wireless. The data it displays are emanations of the same internet consciousness
In the case of human beings our body's are simply biological vessels for this physical realm that carry our spirit or energy(consciousness) which powers both the biological vessel and our minds.
The body was designed in the consciousness and grows along the form of consciousness an is part of the consciousness. Mind is the local focus of this twig of consciousness to be able to carry out his task
The human mind(or possibly the entire body) acts as an antenna of sorts and is capable of receiving that universal energy/consciousness and manipulating our connection with it in various ways .
Antenna is nice, i d prefer an analogy like a leaf on a tree. Similar to photosynthesis the task is to transform low energetic space-time into higher energetic emo-spirit. This is the "stuff" the tree of consciousness requires to maintain itself and to grow. Tree is really a good analogy here. Manipulation of "stuff" outside of purpose is what they called black magic in the old days. An illegal action like dividing by zero. The focus lost its original intention and probably even turns into a counter productive "configuration".
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