BP oil spill caused by methane bubble?

[WCSally]

Anybody care to speculate on what caused these weird ring formations over western Florida?

Is it forum-incorrect to say HAARP over here? .... I have seen circular artifacts in the skies in many countries, on the web.
In two instances, where there have been bright rainbow lighted objects =rainbow fragment? (cloud, vapor, organized EM trace-formation?) THERE HAVE BEEN EARTHQUAKES.

Old Mother Earth has some long and technologically advanced roots of her own, I guess we may be seeing the beginnings of the effects of new tech, and old built in safeguards against the new tech which was the old high tech.

Those who rely on the copying of others will not understand how to grasp the work of the free thinkers who have taken other paths. I find this something of a ray of hope.

[WCSally]

According to the History Channel, Methane explosions caused the great extinctions. How did humans ever manage to evolve with all the destructive events that seem to have occurred on Earth??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25BE42PzZZc

Wow, that is awesome, I did not know they had made the "big" connection! .. Thanks for the link. It could correlate to more than the Permian ... it could correlate to each crossing of the galactic center.

We give back our cable box every summer .. no sense in letting the tube hog up all the extra daylight hours!!

[Grey Cloud]

According to the History Channel, Methane explosions caused the great extinctions. How did humans ever manage to evolve with all the destructive events that seem to have occurred on Earth??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25BE42PzZZc

Wow, that is awesome, I did not know they had made the "big" connection! .. Thanks for the link. It could correlate to more than the Permian ... it could correlate to each crossing of the galactic center.

We give back our cable box every summer .. no sense in letting the tube hog up all the extra daylight hours!!

Sally dear, it is not awesome it is the History Channel. We move past the galactic centre every year do we not?

[WCSally]

According to the History Channel, Methane explosions caused the great extinctions. How did humans ever manage to evolve with all the destructive events that seem to have occurred on Earth??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25BE42PzZZc

Wow, that is awesome, I did not know they had made the "big" connection! .. Thanks for the link. It could correlate to more than the Permian ... it could correlate to each crossing of the galactic center.

We give back our cable box every summer .. no sense in letting the tube hog up all the extra daylight hours!!

Sally dear, it is not awesome it is the History Channel. We move past the galactic center every year do we not?

The awesome part is to make the connection between extinguishing life on earth, and methane, (esp. as this bizarre thing is going on in the gulf!) The 2002 bathometric data from a ship shows the existence (already known) of smoke stacks which vent methane in the Gulf near the Mississippi, and all along that bank which forms up against the southern states. They are part of the salt structure. Methane production/storage in this area is over the top in amount, it is staggering, and I wonder if there are any other places on the planet which match it ... Indonesia may be one. ... ???


Actually we move (as a whole solar "system") past galactic center every "great year" or every change of Zodiac Houses I believe, it is slightly less than 26,000 years ... and I now understand that the Visual passage ... as determined by the Olmec at Izapa is not the passage where the ecliptic of our solar system is in concert with the ecliptic of the galaxy, that occurs over a hundred+ years later ....

Yeah, this is big doin's (if you'll pardon the slang) ... It could be the reason why we get wiped out every great year!? ..
Why "this" is the 5th sun/son, and the next age is the 6th son/sun ... and why the Hopi are invited to go back below ground if the situation becomes too destructive on the surface. They have been there before, to escape the last cataclysm -- the flood, and the parts Velekovsky wrote about.


All rotational bodies in space which are polar have the spin cancellation plane at the equator. A very amazing place no doubt where other sets of laws may apply. Also, possibly, the haunts of various types and strengths of particle plasmas in the Galaxy ... such tricky things, and so un-predictable ... at least as far as I have read. And we are only now beginning to get a handle on how these things work, react, and exist (actually) in space.

So as we venture through this boundary and it's attendant Local Fluff, could not the planet warm, the methane begin to escape, and eventually cause such a fuss that the entire climate tips and most life is wiped away? Will we puny humans vent enough in time? ... Will we develop and ready airborne methane challenge scenarios? Will we find the proper chemicals to dump into the methane river(s) running on the bottom of the Gulf (before it/they move into the highly flammable low lands south of the Cuba-Cancun passage?) ... Will we leave enough methane biological organisms to melt us out of another ice age, if we happen to get into one? It seems a 6 of one / half dozen of the other kind of situation.

Our planet has abundant methane .. perhaps too abundant?



The ancients liked to live between 14.9 South and 14.9 North latitudes. ... After looking at the new Gravity map, I wonder if The UK and Indonesia did not at one time lie on the equatorial ecliptic also -- perhaps in a formative era of the planet itself? (but that is another train of thought). That gravity hole below India, (which I expected to see over the Bermuda Triangle) .. is a wonder, at the very least.
http://rst.gsfc.nasa.gov/Intro/Part2_1b.html

[Grey Cloud]

Hi Sally,
The connection made between methane and great extinctions is pure sensationalism. It’s not even new. In the History Channel video it used the example of carbon dioxide released through an African lake. The History Channel could have made a documentary about CO2 being a threat to life on Earth but carbon dioxide poisoning does not lends itself to dramatic, OTT CGI reconstructions - no fireballs, no tsunamis, no crumbling skyscrapers etc.

You seem to have several elements confused and conflated in your assessment of the Sun’s travels and the Great Year etc.

The direction Galactic Centre (GC) lies in the direction of Sagittarius and Scorpio. The arrow of Sagittarius and the sting on the Scorpion point at it. The Sun passes that way every year, i.e. it rises in each of those constellations for approx a month. This is what birth-signs and horoscopes are based on.

A change of House (or constellation) in the Great Year happens approx every 2,100 years using the <26,000 year figure (roughly 26000 / 12). The Mesoamericans divided this 26,000 years figure by 5, hence their ‘Suns’ or ages last approx 5,100 years (they are not however of equal length, at least not the Aztec Suns).

The ecliptic of the solar system and the galactic ecliptic do not become ‘in concert’ there is a 60 degree difference between the two.

We don’t get wiped out every Great Year – it’s virtually wiped out twice every Great Year and battered every Great Month.

Our planet has abundant everything. It does not have too much of anything.

It is not a gravity hole but a difference in the strength of the gravity in that region at that time, relative to the gravity in other regions. If you read the info on the link you provided you will see that the gravity strength, certainly in some regions, fluctuates throughout the year. The reason the area in the Indian Ocean looks so dramatic is due to the sensitivity of the measurements rather than any dramatic fluctuations in the gravity. See the map of South America where they are measuring differences of millimetres. Small doin’s, if you’ll pardon the slang.

Now shall we return to the thread topic and save the misinformed speculation for another place and time?

[WCSally]

On Topic:
I am still waiting on Hoagland's White Paper ... who knows what they will put into it, to feel it is ready.

I feel that the rising bubble under the well head is water .. I am not certain why, but that is the first impression I had about it.

There are methane events all over the planet at this time ... The one in Indonesia seems to have some connection with water .. as it has flooded 2000 acres while it out-gassed unguessable amounts of methane. I found this out after I first heard of the bubble under the well.
Is there some chemical signature in the methane which would be erased by it's passing through water? ... an abstruse conjecture on this.

I think that the Methane Bubble, and the possible destruction of Earth by it's own sub-surface excessive methane deposits is on topic actually. And .. some days I feel better and have a lighter outlook, I am sorry if you find it difficult. For me it is a very good day, and I expect it reflects, but it is life not a term paper, or a book ...

A quote from Facebook:

John Major Jenkins commented on his own status.
Hi, I'm in Tapachula Mexico with our tour group, doing ceremony everyday with the Maya spiritual guides. It's been an amazing trip so far. Garth Norman, pioneer archaeologist, gave a talk tonight. Tomorrow we go to Izapa! This will be a historic first time in half a millennium that the Maya have been able to do ceremony at this site, the origin place of the Creation Myth and the 2012 cosmology.

I get a pretty amazing number when I subtract this from the Julian date ... ???

It seems this is more important than the 26,000 year great cycle, as this one is a half-million year cycle ... perhaps there is a great deal more we need to find out about this crossing. I hope Jenkins is listening with 500% of his ears attuned, and 700% of his eyes ... what he knows to look for may not be the small thing which will open doors for us, and yet he is so well immersed, he may actually see that (we can hope).


The more forthcoming of the Maya will tell you they are from off world. They are from (I believe) the Sirius System, and they send prayers to their ancestors there, and they speak of life on Earth as the short blossoming, and not the real life of a Mayan ... so what they have to teach us is of great consequence I believe.

At any rate ... happy 4th .. if you do the 4th.

Oh, on the gravity anomaly ... might the lack of solids in a space read as a light gravity area? .
Could those places be high concentrations of Methane as well?

[Grey Cloud]

Hi Sally,
Far be it from me to question the veracity of something from Facilebook, but what 'pretty amazing number' do you get subtracting 500 from 2012? I get 1512.
By 'the more forthcoming of the Maya' do you mean those who make a living from exploiting gullible gringos?

Happy 4th to you and no, we don't do the 4th over here but I wish we had cause to celebrate being a republic and not a monarchy.

Chill with the methane thing. The media will have a new scare story for you next month.

[GaryN]

Now shall we return to the thread topic and save the misinformed speculation for another place and time?

Well, mr smarty pants , that is only your interpretation, and I happen to agree with WCSally that we do indeed pass through the neutral (not 0, neutral is 'floating') disk, twice every 26000 years as the solar system travels its helical path around the galaxy.
And seeing as we are in NIAMI, I will go on to say that I think that every 6500 years,(2 passes through the neutral plane, one push into charged regions above and below the neutral every Great year) there will be sufficient energies available to create protons within the earth that lead, by attracting electrons (lots of lightning) to the creation of molecular hydrogen, which will become the methane and then the oil that hydraulically expands the earth during these events. (The out-gassing methane would be ignited by the lightning, producing the events proposed by the Hysterical Channel)
My reputation will of course be shot if we are not all electrocuted, killed by giant hailstones, gassed, drowned, or otherwise decimated within the next few years!

[Grey Cloud]

Hi Gary,
Why doesn't the lightning ignite the hydrogen?

[WCSally]

Hi Sally,
Far be it from me to question the veracity of something from Facilebook, but what 'pretty amazing number' do you get subtracting 500 from 2012? I get 1512.
By 'the more forthcoming of the Maya' do you mean those who make a living from exploiting gullible gringos?

Happy 4th to you and no, we don't do the 4th over here but I wish we had cause to celebrate being a republic and not a monarchy.

Chill with the methane thing. The media will have a new scare story for you next month.

Well ... since I don't chat up the media, and I have alienated part of ATS with strident posting on not nuking the Gulf ... I don't see why the Press would think this was a story? ... Do they troll boards looking for news these days instead of hiring reporters?

I can see The Press hovering over all the Gov and Space Sites, and NOAA sites for news, which they do not do, and should do (IMVHO) of course (gee I got my humble back?_) ... I have not been back to ATS, I think I was discretely shooed away ... be that as it may.

Five hundred thousand minus two thousand (two thousand ten) yields 480 thousand BC .. or 482 thousand BCE. It may be that he mis-heard, or missed a sign on a glyph, and I will ask him to confirm that number (as many hang upon his reports as they do Mr. Hoagland's).

I read of the Maya and their off world ancestors in a book which came out long before the 2012 interest and subsequent storm of information on it ... I read The mystery of the Crystal skulls by Chris Morten and ceri Louise Thomas .. the old version; which was a paradigm changing book for me.

The Cherokee were infiltrated by marriage, it seems, by an Irishman who became the Wisdom Keeper of their great lodge of oral traditions "The Twisted Hairs Society".. and you should not miss that part of the book, though there is a great amount of other material which is very relevant.

So no, at that time, it was just anecdotal by talk included in the book, but they were allowed to see and film the Ceremony in Guatemala of the lighting of the fires of the new age ... I would love to find a copy of this documentary.

It is too bad we do not have a way to put good selling spin on bad news ... Then we could hear of progress being made in places where it really needs to happen.

While we are massively off topic .. I brought up to a fellow of color that the Black Athletes and others who have extra money should make tax exempt LLCs and boot strap parts of Africa which they could develop and hang onto and then try to widen the progress out to neighboring areas ... water, sanitation, sustainable agriculture, eco-housing (50% below the surface) .. under ground utilities (we need here in the states), and their own CDC and so on, and so on.... and for the second time I got the massive Dis ... Is it possible plans are already laid, and being recently from flat land I am unaware of such things?

[Grey Cloud]

Hi Sally,
Half a millenium is 500 years (1000 / 2) not 500,000.

[GaryN]

Hi Gary,
Why doesn't the lightning ignite the hydrogen?

The hydrogen is inside the earth, no oxygen down there to form an explosive mixture.

[Grey Cloud]

Hi Gary,
Why doesn't the lightning ignite the hydrogen?

The hydrogen is inside the earth, no oxygen down there to form an explosive mixture.

Then, why doesn't the hydrogen out-gas?

[WCSally]

Ah, I have just found out, as well; the naming convention for years is not literal ...

He is going to have transcripts and video uploads ..
http://alignment2012.com/
videos:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Maya- ... 9875444981

[GaryN]

Hi GC,

Then, why doesn't the hydrogen out-gas?

It does, in small amounts, from volcanoes, and from gas and oil wells, but mostly it has combined with something else to form a compound, like hydrogen sulfide, by the time it reaches the surface.