BP oil spill caused by methane bubble?

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Re: BP oil spill caused by methane bubble?

Post by mathew » Sun Jun 20, 2010 11:39 pm

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Re: BP oil spill caused by methane bubble?

Post by lizzie » Mon Jun 21, 2010 10:06 pm

http://shtf411.com/bp-illusion-of-a-fal ... t7065.html

What BP, Haliburton, and other co-conspirators intentionally drilled into was an Asphalt Volcano. Sounds scary doesn't it? It really is not. In fact, after you read the above link you'll know that the Gulf of Mexico is literally coated in oil, tar, and methane hydrate at the bottom. The study went on to find that massive aquatic life has specifically adapted to living off of the hydrocarbons. That in fact these asphalt volcanoes are a natural part of the ocean ecology, and their eruptions actually benefit the sea life over the long duration of time.

To continue with why the asphalt volcano was a win win to drill into, is the heaviness of the tar. Read the linked article provided above, the tar will cling to lighter oil, and fall to the bottom of the Gulf at some point, near in the future. Also, the microbes, and other organisms that naturally occur from this will multiply. They will not only eat the tar, but the other control released oil that they are pumping into the Gulf.
Yes, it sounds true to form; it’s Hurricane Katarina style staged disaster all over again. It was the FEMA great land grab scam – clearing the “useless eaters” from prime real estate in New Orleans and reselling the land to high end developers. The goal is all about the coming carbon tax, cap and trade; that’s their latest scam; but there’s no reason why they can’t make a killing on cat bond payouts while they are promoting their depopulation agenda and "land acquisition" program. They don't need to collapse the dollar; they can simply do a "slow bleed."

FEMA = Federal extermination management program

Don’t eat too many cans of beans; such odours might be classified as methane gas emissions and taxable as such!

And all this when we know perfectly well that oil is a renewable resource.
http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpB ... 105#p36992

Sustainable Oil - This is an article that confirms what Brian has always said: oil does not come from dinosaurs and that it is an infinite resource (a secret the energy cartel doesn't want us to know). Oil comes from microorganisms in the earth that transmute magnesium, calcium and hydrogen to produce oil and this is why old wells are flowing again. Brian also says that there is a sewage technique that was patented in the 1930's where raw sewage can be pumped into old wells and 10 years later there will be oil.

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Re: BP oil spill caused by methane bubble?

Post by junglelord » Tue Jun 22, 2010 12:50 pm

Obama is not using his authority to stop the damage in the Gulf, but is more concerned with passing the Senate version of the Cap-and-Trade bill.
You need to realize that an illusion is only as good as it's weakest link. All scientific evidence on paper coming from the government, and corporations is being fudged. In this case a staged, and controlled event!

Ain't that the truth...global warming, dark matter, 9/11, BP Oil...we truly live in the Dark Ages of enlightenment.
I for one can connect the dots b/t each of those items...and they are all connected.

The EU is an energy paradigm...they do not want out.
They need to control us via energy.
The place where our energies are focused are war, famine, water and air pollution, deforestation, and soft kill mechanisms like vaccines, GMO, chlorine, etc.

We really need to rise up and take over corporate greed, but we cannot, and will not be able to do this, as the Industrial-Military-Finacial_Corporate Complex has us in a FEMA camp already...the lock down started after 9/11.
They said today on the radio, that the head of CESSIS (Canadas CIA) that they had no concerns of a terrrorist attack at the G8 and G20, just 1 billion dollars spent on anarchist....and you can bet your bottom dollar, a agent provocatour will arise just like they did at Montabello a few years ago, so they can aim their water cannons as target practice on innocent people who want to save the world for our children and grandchildren.

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Post by GaryN » Tue Jun 22, 2010 11:54 pm

Off topic, perhaps, but a good reminder of what has gone before. The Secret Government, PBS, 1987:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sstDwKTCpM
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Re: BP oil spill caused by methane bubble?

Post by junglelord » Wed Jun 23, 2010 7:52 am

Great link Gary on Dirty Little Wars based on False Flags.
PBS historical accuracy on this documentary is excellent and is very valid in todays convoluted "democratic" government of the USA...
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Post by junglelord » Wed Jun 23, 2010 8:10 am

While the corporate media concentrates on Joe Barton’s apology to BP and Tony Hayward taking off to attend a yacht race around England’s Isle of Wight, people on the ground in Louisiana — what BP chairman Carl-Henric Svanberg called the “small people” — are beginning to experience the result of millions of gallons of oil poured into the Gulf of Mexico.

It is now raining oil — and we can assume the highly toxic dispersant Corexit 9500 — in River Ridge, Louisiana.

http://www.infowars.com/toxic-rain-falls-in-louisiana/

The Gulf of Mexico is heating up as summer progresses. Oil and Corexit 9500 are going through a molecular transition, changing from a liquid to a gas and then absorbed by clouds and released as toxic rain. Oil in the environment is toxic at 11 PPM (parts per million). Corexit 9500 is toxic at only 2.61 PPM.

Oil contains a number of dangerous chemicals, including Benzene, Toluene, Ethylbenzene, Xylene, Naphthalene, Hydrogen sulfide, and others.

No word yet from the corporate media on this. CNN is covering the impact of the oil “spill” on animal and marine life but is not talking much about the environmental impact on the small people.
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Post by GaryN » Wed Jun 23, 2010 8:12 pm

Re: Who is in control?

Those links clearly show that they are NOT trying to stop the flow, or clean up the mess. Those oil sucking barges must have been working too well, I read that they had been prevented from sailing as they did not have fire extinguishers on board. What a feeble excuse. This lack of action by BP and the government would only seem to add weight to the belief that the spill was intentional, the end goal being to bring in the taxes and fees that Goldman Sachs is counting on to drive their multi-billion dollar carbon-trading derivatives markets. Bring in the Army, round up all those crooks, and lock them away for a long time, I say. :x
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Post by mathew » Thu Jun 24, 2010 12:31 am

This is also what happens when oil and gas companies go too far :!:
methane mud in indonesia:
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Post by starbiter » Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:25 am

Can oil evaporate and fall with rain?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIXYJM4s ... re=related

I hope someone can convince me this is a hoax.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzPWUehZ ... re=related
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Re: BP oil spill caused by methane bubble?

Post by CTJG 1986 » Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:59 am

starbiter wrote:Can oil evaporate and fall with rain?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIXYJM4s ... re=related

I hope someone can convince me this is a hoax.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzPWUehZ ... re=related
As pointed out in the discussion on the second video it seems far more likely it's the chemical dispersant's such as Corexit they have been dumping there that are evaporating and becoming toxic rain.

The first video does appear to be 'oil' but could just as easily be the dispersant chemicals, all they are basing the fact it's actually oil on is what it looks like to them. I've seen chemical spills before though and to me with exception of the first shot of dark black liquid(which could be a result of shadows on it or the ground beneath it) it all looks like chemicals and not crude oil, but then I don't know what crude oil looks like after it's evaporated and fallen as rain.

Although I don't have any real knowledge on the composition of crude oil it does seem possible that aspects of it could evaporate and fall as rain, but I'm not so sure about that. In my view it seems more likely that the temperatures that would be needed to vaporize crude oil or any of it's components would be likely to ignite the oil, no?

I haven't found any 'expert' opinions on this matter so far, just personal speculation so I am completely ignorant to the processes involved in regards to crude oil evaporating, or whether it's even possible.

Anyone around here have any knowledge on this subject to share?
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Post by Grey Cloud » Thu Jun 24, 2010 11:21 am

Can oil evaporate and fall with rain?
Crude oil is a complex of chemicals. Some of those chemicals will evaporate at normal, e.g. GoM in June, temperatures. This is proven by the smell given off by the crude. The smell is caused by small particles of chemicals hitting the sensors in the nose. If the chemicals are lighter than air then they will rise. If, once risen, they become too dense then they will fall.
Crude oil is naturally occurring substance therfore Nature is perfectly capable of dealing with it. That Nature may deal with in a manner that is inconvenient to human socio-economic systems is a different matter.
And before all the bleeding-heart liberals start about the poor birdies and fishes, ask yourself how many creatures is Nature killing right this moment as you read this post. :twisted:
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Post by junglelord » Thu Jun 24, 2010 11:26 am

Yes, it appears the video of oil rain, was a hoax, sorry guys.
Unfortunately the question, Who is in control, that is no hoax!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yysw_4K2 ... r_embedded

I agree, it seems to have too many markers for it not to be a false flag.
Sell off of major amounts of stock by key players, Haliburton purchasing the oil clean up company, the inability for free press, the deliberate actions against clean up...all for their tax and money schemes...incredible!
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Man, what will they pull next?
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Remember, we CAN SAVE THE PLANET, BUT WE NEED TO TAKE BACK CONTROL FROM PUPPET GOVERNMENTS RUN BY CORPORATIONS AND BANKS.

They are scared of us, they just spent 1 billion dollars for security here in Canada for Anarchist, not terrorist.
They FEAR US....much more then international terrorist.

The constitution is bankrupt, we need to take it back, shine it up, put it to use....it is WE THE PEOPLE.
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Re: BP oil spill caused by methane bubble?

Post by junglelord » Thu Jun 24, 2010 11:35 am

In reference to the title of this thread
Methane in Gulf “astonishingly high”: U.S. scientist
As much as 1 million times the normal level of methane gas has been found in some regions near the Gulf of Mexico oil spill, enough to potentially deplete oxygen and create a dead zone, U.S. scientists said on Tuesday.

Texas A&M University oceanography professor John Kessler, just back from a 10-day research expedition near the BP Plc oil spill in the gulf, says methane gas levels in some areas are “astonishingly high.”

Kessler’s crew took measurements of both surface and deep water within a 5-mile (8 kilometer) radius of BP’s broken wellhead.

“There is an incredible amount of methane in there,” Kessler told reporters in a telephone briefing.

In some areas, the crew of 12 scientists found concentrations that were 100,000 times higher than normal.
http://www.infowars.com/methane-in-gulf ... scientist/
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http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE65L6IA20100622
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Re: BP oil spill caused by methane bubble?

Post by junglelord » Thu Jun 24, 2010 11:41 am

Speaking of Gases

Gassed in the Gulf: New Gulf War Syndrome
The petro-chemical-military-industrial complex is gassing Gulf Coast residents with poisonous Benzene and Corexit dispersant at dangerously high levels in the largest U.S. domestic military operation to date. The military and FEMA are engaged in Emergency Plans for 36 urban areas from Texas to Florida due to the unstoppable Gulf oil volcano the size of Mt. Everest, as WMR reports, indicating evacuations. Some people are advised to relocate now. (See Parts III and IV)

Satellite imagery that Obama’s administration withheld shows “under the gaping chasm spewing oil at an ever-alarming rate is a cavern estimated to be around the size of Mount Everest. This information has been given an almost national security-level classification to keep it from the public,” writes Wayne Madsen.

Human suffering in the Gulf is increasing from the world’s latest and largest toxic oil kill as BP lies and government remains silent about human health risks and associated military interventions. Most immediately damaging of the operation’s withheld information pertains to toxins breathed since the explosion.

Southerners reporting illnesses with symptoms reflecting Benzene and Corexit poisoning have had to face some leaders suggesting the cause to be mental illness, “stress”, while others, such as BP chief Tony Hayward, blamed the illness on rotten food.

Hayward is the guy who sold his £1.4 million shares in BP one month before the Gulf “spill.” This in turn caused a collapse of value and a saving to him of over £423,000 when BP’s share price plunged after its predicted destruction in the gulf according to the Telegraph. (Since Hayward’s pay package of £4 million a year had been insufficient, cashing out enabled him to pay off the mortgage on his family’s mansion in Kent.)

No monitors, no dispersant toxicity studies

Other life-risking withheld information is that chemicals released have not been monitored. WMR colleague John Caylor, a Gulf Coast resident, reported, “BP and the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), which have stated that several hundred air quality monitors have been deployed around the Florida and Alabama coasts and have not detected any benzene levels that would be harmful to human health, are lying.” (WMR, EPA and media lying about air monitors on Gulf coast, June 7-8, 2010)

A senior news source at WEAR-TV, ABC’s affiliate in Pensacola told Caylor that “there are no air quality monitors that have been deployed along the coastal bays and inlets by either BP or the EPA. The station sent reporters out to check on the monitors and discovered they were non-existent.” (Emphasis added)

“ABC News network out of New York and CNN are echoing the BP and Obama administration’s lines that the air quality is being monitored and is perfectly safe,” wrote Caylor. WWL TV reports monitors are being now used in south Louisiana. (See video #2 below)

The spewing oil and dispersant chemicals are toxic enough for so many people to become ill, evacuation would be required, especially before a hurricane blows the lethal cocktail over more Southerners. Hurricane season 2010, anticipated to be highly active and strong, will bring the oil and ipersant chemicals further inland, impacting health of too many people to be ignored. Already, even mainstream news reports 70 people in Louisiana have been admitted to hospital with symptoms of toxic poisoning. New Orleans area officials have urged people without means to evacuate before a hurricane to register now.

“Get a game plan now,” WWL reported.

Corexit and Benzene Gulf gas combo effects

On May 1, two U.S. Department of Defense C-130 Hercules aircraft were employed to spray oil dispersant, Corexit EC9500A and Corexit EC9527A. Dispersant information, however, was “kept secret under competitive trade laws.”

The stated purpose of using more chemicals on the chemical spill was “to break up the oil into tiny droplets that sink and can be more readily dispersed by ocean currents, to diminish the oil’s effect on sea life and shore habitats.” (New York Times, BP and EPA Skirmish Over Oil Dispersant, May 24, 2010) Mother Nature’s non-chemical, safe, effective bio-remediation method (see Youtube below) of disposing of the oil was dismissed. Safe and effective solutions for human and environmental survival are not part of the agenda.

Material Safety Data Sheets (MSDS) “Fact sheets” page for Nalco’s Corexit has pdfs available for “Dispersant Type 1,” Corexit 9500 (PDF); and “Dispersant Type 2,” Corexit 9527A (PDF). Tom Philpott of Grist, who found that these product numbers matched those identified unofficially by his sources, writes,

“The data sheets for both products contain this shocker: ‘No toxicity studies have been conducted on this product” — meaning testing their safety for humans and both data sheets include the warning ‘human health hazards: acute.’” (Emphasis added)

As Philpott reported, the MSDS for Corexit 9527A states

‘excessive exposure may cause central nervous system effects, nausea, vomiting, anesthetic or narcotic effects,’ and ‘repeated or excessive exposure to butoxyethanol [an active ingredient] may cause injury to red blood cells (hemolysis), kidney or the liver.’

‘”Prolonged and/or repeated exposure through inhalation or extensive skin contact with EGBE [butoxyethanol] may result in damage to the blood and kidneys.’”

The solvents 2-Butoxyethanol and petroleum distillate appear “most dangerous,” writes Philpott, but these chemicals continue to be saturating water and air.

Out of work shrimper, oil clean-up work Clint Guidry reported, “The closest I got [to the Gulf water] was Venice, Louisiana, and you could smell it from Venice… they were actually spraying Corexit 9527A on the oil spill on top of the water and spraying all around – Venice sits on a peninsula, the Mississippi River, right at the – right above the Head of the Passes.

“And they were actually spraying this Corexit in the air all around where people were living, with kids and children, and continuously saying how safe it was.”

By May 24, New York Times reported that 700,000 US gallons (2,600,000 l) of Corexit dispersants had gassed the area, “approaching a world record.” BP was ordered to take “immediate steps to scale back the use of dispersants” that the military was reportedly spraying. Both entities seemingly follow orders from a higher command. Chemical gassing of Gulf life continued.

Benzene, or “swamp gas,” the toxin released by fossil fuel oil, is lethal enough for public health concern and action without Corexit. The International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) has determined that benzene causes severe human injury such as chromosomal, and is a human carcinogen. Exposure to high levels of benzene is associated with leukemia cancer: acute myelogenous leukemia, acute lymphocytic leukemia, and chronic myelogenous leukemia. (See: 0.9977 Benzene (IARC Summary & Evaluation, Supplement7, 1987)

Benzene-related leukemias have been reported to develop in as short as nine months according to IARC.

The satiation of toxic air, water and food has posed serious health risks to all people of the Gulf, but especially to pregnant women, the elderly and people with health vulnerabilities such as asthma and emphysema. Gina Solomon, NRDC Senior Scientist outlined health risks Louisianians and other Gulf Coast residents face.

Only days after BPs greatest oil assault began, Solomon recommended that pregnant women leave the oil spill area since fossil fuel oil toxins cause miscarriages.

Oil spill VOC (volatile chemicals) acute health effects include “headaches, dizziness and nausea,” and “[o]ver the long term, many of these chemicals have been linked to cancer, so there are lots of reasons to worry about inhaling them,” advised Solomon. (Dupre, Hitting rock bottom calls for intervention, Examiner, May 9, 2010) The first nine Gulf spill workers were hospitalized for “dizziness, headaches and nausea” as Solomon predicted weeks before according to VOC effects, plus shortness of breath and nosebleeds, likely symptomatic of Corexit.

Adding fire to the fuel, burning the slick as the petrochemical-military-industrial complex are also doing, has compounded the public health risk. Dr. Marcel Casavant, chief of Pharmacology and Toxicology at Nationwide Children’s Hospital in Columbus, Ohio, has stated, “Smoke from burning oil contains many chemicals; some are potentially lethal poisons…” (ABC News, BP Gulf Oil Spill: Human Health Risks Small But Fears May Linger) Casavant indicates those at greatest risk are children.

Oil toxic poisoning does not always have immediate impact. One study showed that the effect is generational: women exposed to oil toxins have daughters with reproductive health problems, such as miscarriages. (See: Dupre, FUEL DVD countdown to end old, dirty, dangerous, corrupt business, Examiner, May 11. 2010; and Josh Tickell, FUEL, 2009)

http://www.infowars.com/gassed-in-the-g ... -syndrome/
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