Peratt's Plasma Universe Down

[PersianPaladin]

I looked at Anthony Peratt's website and there is a statement on the top left that says:-


The Plasma Universe and Plasma Cosmology have no ties to the anti-science blogsites of the holoscience 'electric universe'.
http://plasmauniverse.info/

He doesn't explain why he has this opinion. Any ideas?

[Aristarchus]

He doesn't explain why he has this opinion. Any ideas?

Don't know. In the following paper from the IEEE, Peratt gives special acknowledgement to D. E. Scott & W. Thornhill:

Characteristics for the Occurrence of High-Current Z-Pinch Aurora ad Recorded in Antiquity

The author would like to thank those who contributed
data to this paper, in particular: A. Acheson, M. Acheson,
K. Anderson, M. Armstrong, H. Arp (MPI, Garching),
A. Bodin (LANL), E. J. Bond, D. Cardona, E. Cochrane,
F. Costanzo, L. Crumpler (NASA), Z. Dahlen, H. Davis
(LANL), A. de Grazia, A. J. Dessler (U. Ariz.), T. E. Eastman
(NASA Goddard), J. Goodman, P. Hedlund, G. Heiken (Geo,
LANL), H. Johnson, K. Kintner (LANL), J. Lawson (NAVAIR,
NAWCWD), B. G. Low, A. S. McEwen, M. Medrano (PNM),
F. Minshall (USNPS), M. Minshall, M. Mitchell, K. Moss,
J. Nelson (BLM), A. Neuber, S. Parsons, C. M. Pedersen,
G. G. Peratt (U. Ariz.), M. G. Peratt (USC), G. Pfeufer (LANL),
C. J. Ransom, M. W. Rowe (Texas A&M), T. Scheber (LANL),
G. Schwartz (U. Ariz.), A. Scott, D. E. Scott (U. Mass),
D. Scudder (LANL), J. Shlacter (LANL), P. Shoaf (NAVAIR,
NAWCWD), R. M. Smith (JPL), C. Snell (LANL), D. Talbott,
T. Thomsen, W. Thornhill,
H. Tresman, I. Tresman, M. A. van
der Sluijs, T. Van Flandern (NRL), T. Voss, W. S-Y. Wang
(U. Hong Kong), R. Webb, B. Whitley (Ariz. Petro. Steward),
P. Whitley (Ariz. Petro. Steward), and E. Younkin (Maturango
Museum). He would also like to thank J. McGovern, Georgetown,
South Australia; A. B. Mainwaring, S. Mainwaring,
and J. A. Sabloff for their continued support, suggestions,
and editing of this manuscript; and the Navajo Nation and the
Cochiti, San Juan, Santa Clara, Jemez, Santo Domingo and San
Ildefonso Pueblos in Northern New Mexico.

In addition, Peratt gives special mention to them in an editorial he wrote in the IEEE:

Special Issue on Space and Cosmic Plasma

D. Scott reiterates the fundamentals of electrical engineering as applied to many fields of human endeavor, illustrating when experimental knowledge has been correctly or incorrectly applied and where pitfalls may be expected (Maxwell’s equations derive from Faraday’s experiments twenty equations with twenty unknowns, which were reduced to four by H. Hertz and O. Heaviside four decades later). As Scott points out, in engineering, the correctness of the application is obvious; the device either works as designed or does not. However, in less accessible environments such as space and cosmic plasma, the information gathered is often not obvious, insufficiently located (Earth or satellite), or incomplete. In addition, of course, controlled laboratory experiments – the final adjudicator in science – are typically absent in space research. As the backdrop for this elucidation, Scott uses the multidisciplinary origins of the plasma universe[5].

A document that is worth more than a cursory glance is that of C.J. Ransom and W. Thornhill, who recognized many planetary features as suggestive of marks from electrical discharges. They report experimental results that will give those of us who study such phenomena, and likely our planetary geologist colleagues, good reason to ponder.

[PersianPaladin]

Maybe they've had a big falling out/disagreement since? Would Mr.Thornhill, Scott or Peratt like to come on here and explain the situation?

[Aristarchus]

You want them to come on here to explain a "maybe?"

It's my understanding that it was David Talbot that interested Peratt in the petroglyphs. I could be wrong, but one would think if this all hinged on research made public, the falling out would have become public. Anyone's guess, I guess, how that qualifier arrived on the page you cited.

[davesmith_au]

It's NOT Peratt's website, per se. It's owned and operated by Los Alamos National Laboratories and short of an explanation coming from there, we'd do well to avoid conjecture and speculation.

Cheers, Dave.

[kiwi]

this is a astrophysics debate (includes A Harp) from April 1 last year (april fools day?)... but its in German,.... can anyone here speak the language , and maybe tell us how in general H A's work is considered by his comtempories there, as a rule Ive always thought them (German) very progressive thinkers and sympathetic toward giving alternative ideas a fair hearing ....



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc0KdJAaA5s

and the videos regards the OP are also available in Y-tube in 10 minute segs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yTfRy0LTD0

[JohnMT]

Dr. Anthony Peratt was to have addressed the SIS symposium on 'Cosmic Catastrophes - Asteroids, Comets and Planets' at Fitzwilliam College, Cambridge in 2008, but I understand that following a nasty campaign of abusive emails etc., he was 'warned-off' and had to withdraw.

He was replaced by Rens van der Sluijs, who stepped in at the last minute.

[David Talbott]

Dr. Anthony Peratt was to have addressed the SIS symposium on 'Cosmic Catastrophes - Asteroids, Comets and Planets' at Fitzwilliam College, Cambridge in 2008, but I understand that following a nasty campaign of abusive emails etc., he was 'warned-off' and had to withdraw.

He was replaced by Rens van der Sluijs, who stepped in at the last minute.

In recent years Tony was indeed scared off by abusive emails and an incredible level of harassment, the prime instigators being Leroy Ellenberger and Josh Schroeder (the former "ScienceApologist"). Only those on the receiving end of Leroy's harassment know the full scale of his attacks and the cost to others. For years Tony was under relentless harassment, including a broadly distributed email by Leroy, implying a misuse of funds at Los Alamos and suggesting people write their congressman. At some point this story will have to be told, and legal action is virtually certain in due course, affecting even Wikipedia, which unwittingly came to serve as vehicle for the spread of defamatory statements with no corrections allowed.

The fact that both Leroy and Josh Schroeder continue as Wikipedia editors is the best indicator of the problem yet to be resolved by Wikipedia management. Leroy, editing Wikipedia as Phaedrus, presents himself as an objective reviewer. Josh Schroeder, the prototypical zealot and Inquisitor, has probably entered more disinformation and misleading commentary into Wikipedia than any other person on Earth.

[JohnMT]

I rather suspected Leroy might have been behind those nasty emails etc.

BTW, I enjoyed the Conference, though it was a pity you were not given more time with your excellent presentation.

[davesmith_au]

The fact that both Leroy and Josh Schroeder continue as Wikipedia editors

Just a quick correction, Schroeder at the moment, is under a 12 month ban from editing Wikipedia. Which is not to say of course, that he can't use proxy accounts (which he has said he would) to edit anonymously while the ban is in force. Another even more minor point, though needed for accuarcy, is that Ellenberger edits under the pseudonym of Phaedrus7 rather than just Phaedrus. Everything else you've said is, as far as I know, a very accurate account of the situation.

Cheers, Dave.

[kiwi]

the only PFF thread I could find was locked ... I couldnt find anything on Eric Lerner .. so a relocation is required ... this is entitled " What uf yiu were trapped in the chamber with Fo-Fu1 during a shot"

http://focusfusion.org/index.php/site/a ... ng_a_shot/

[Nereid]

In the Peratt's Plasma Universe Down thread, there's a post by Sparky as follows (dated Mon Jan 17, 2011):

-http://public.lanl.gov/alp/plasma/TheUniverse.html-"The Plasma Universe" web site of Dr. Peratt.

ound @ http://plasmauniverse.info/

The Plasma Universe and Plasma Cosmology have no ties to the anti-science blogsites of the holoscience 'electric universe'.

is this one of the sites you are talking about?

what anti-science blogsites are they referring to?

thanks

To put this into context, it is important to read several other posts in that thread.

However, given how central Thornhill and Scott are to EU theory, and how closely the two websites seem to be linked, I wonder whether it's only a matter of time before the notice reads 'holoscience and thunderbolts'?

Here are some of my thoughts on how to avoid that fate. I stress that these are my own, personal, opinions only.

First, electrical theorists really need to ramp up the publication rate of papers (published in relevant, peer-reviewed journals). Fortunately, this may be addressed very soon:

Additional peer reviewed papers are coming and are only months away,

Second, it would help immensely if an electrical theorist could publish even one paper of the calibre of Lerner's on plasma cosmology.

For this forum, a major piece is already in place:

A reminder to all users of our forum, that this is the Thunderbolts.info forum and NOT the publishing house for all other theories of the universe.

All posts to the scientific parts of the forum should be confined to properly constructed scientific arguments either supporting or challenging published Electric Universe theory. The ONLY places we treat as exceptions to these guidelines is on "The Human Question" and "New Insights and Mad Ideas" boards.

However, 'other theories of the universe' are to be found widely throughout this forum (not just in the last two boards); some such 'other theories of the universe' are ones which the person who wrote those words on the Plasma Universe webpage would surely regard as anti-science. Perhaps it's time to start making sure that fewer 'other theories of the universe' are to be found in the scientific parts of the forum?

[Sparky]

I wonder whether it's only a matter of time before the notice reads 'holoscience and thunderbolts'?

anyone could have posted that "cover the ass" , snarky disclaimer on that website...why not contact Dr. Peratt and ask why they posted that.

Perhaps it's time to start making sure that fewer 'other theories of the universe' are to be found in the scientific parts of the forum?

time will tell if threads/posts in the forums will do any damage to EU as a whole....they are walking a fence.....

and since you quoted me, does the rest of the post reflect on my lack of scientific knowledge?..

[fosborn]

by Nereid » However, given how central Thornhill and Scott are to EU theory, and how closely the two websites seem to be linked, I wonder whether it's only a matter of time before the notice reads 'holoscience and thunderbolts'?

Here are some of my thoughts on how to avoid that fate. I stress that these are my own, personal, opinions only.

Why Nereid, I think you care ( in a drill sargent sort of way)

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You call this a trope entry, maggot?!
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[Siggy_G]

Independant of the disclaimer on the Plasma Universe / Los Alamos National Laboratory site *), I think the suggestion for Electric Universe advocates to get more papers published is sound.

These could be everything from qualitative descriptive models to quantitative interpretation of various data that could be seen through the lens of the Electric Universe theory (similar to the TPODs, but more elaborated on and tested through relevant formulas). I look forward to see the ones David Talbott implied in an earlier post.

The upcoming convention events is also something that I think can be a contributing factor both to communicate the models and to open up further dialogue with scientific communities.

*) Why can't someone redesign that site? It has lots of info, but is quite cluttered. Donald Scott's book "The Electric Sky" is mentioned among the end-credits and relevant books in the Plasma Universe 2010 calendar, so there are some ties there.