Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

[jjohnson]

Michael,

You and I discussed this a little in Albuquerque, on the tour of the west side plateau. As you described it, I thought it sounds like "upstream accretion" as the plasma flow heats the duning materials and its entrained dust and grit, which then stick together on the face presented to the flow (the anti-slipface side)and undergo thermal and chemical changes of the sort attributed to far-underground heating and compression processes, metamorphic and igneous in nature. Kudos for seeing the less obvious and putting your thinking out for all to consider.

I buy into it, anyway.

Jim

[starbiter]

Michael,

You and I discussed this a little in Albuquerque, on the tour of the west side plateau. As you described it, I thought it sounds like "upstream accretion" as the plasma flow heats the duning materials and its entrained dust and grit, which then stick together on the face presented to the flow (the anti-slipface side)and undergo thermal and chemical changes of the sort attributed to far-underground heating and compression processes, metamorphic and igneous in nature. Kudos for seeing the less obvious and putting your thinking out for all to consider.

I buy into it, anyway.

Jim

Hi Jim,

You summed things up quite nicely.

The molten material seems to be pulled toward the center of the high energy plasma vortices. On the western side of the four corners vortex the formations are covered with basalt on the western face, generally speaking. On the East side of the four corners vortex, the East side of the formations imply incoming molten dust. In some places there seem to have been vortices within the main vortex. This would be expected in a diocotron instability. These sub-vortices have there own circular basalt patterns. Hoover Dam seems to be the N edge of a sub-vortex. Davis Dam seems like the southern edge. The dams use the molten material as an anchor.

The Hebrew survivors described the event as dust, sand, rocks, and boulders mingled with the river of fire. In Mexico it was described as red-hot dust. Without these not so subtle hints it might have never dawned on me that the process was so energetic and directional. Even with these literal descriptions it required almost 5 years in the field to have my eyes opened.

Let's try to spend some time in the field.

michael

[allynh]

Michael, See if this is useful for you.

Google takes a hike… to the Grand Canyon
http://blog.sfgate.com/techchron/2013/0 ... nd-canyon/

Google unveiled today an ambitious project that mapped, documented and photographed much of the Grand Canyon.

A team of Googlers, equipped with 40-pound, Android-operated backpacks, hiked along 75 miles of trails last fall and captured more than 9.500 panoramas of the famed national park. Their backpacks, named the Trekker, uses a 15-lens camera, perched above the person’s head, which takes a photograph every 2.5 seconds and stitches them together.

Through Google Maps, now anyone with Internet access can enjoy the views of the Colorado River and virtually hike the trails — no Clif Bars, bottled water or other provisions needed. It’s no mean feat: the Grand Canyon is 277 river miles long, up to 18 miles wide and a mile deep and there have plenty of cases of hikers getting lost and turned around.

It’s not clear if any mountain lions or snakes complained about privacy issues.

[starbiter]

There is an attempt being made to melt ore with an electric arc. We need at least a 500 amp DC welder. Preferably the welder would be able to run on variable volts. The lower the voltage the better i'm told. I'm in southern California if there is equipment in this area. The process creates fumes so it needs to be done with a hood or outside away from people. There is a mobile hood available in the Riverside CA area that we have access to. I would travel anywhere if required. Any assistance would be appreciated. We would like to create a variety of igneous and metamorphic rock.

If someone has a high amp service a welder can be attached i'm told. 100 foot cables can be attached.



michael steinbacher

[starbiter]

I believe metamorphic rock is created in situ by high energy plasma, as described in legend. The map below shows a distinct pattern.

http://volcano.oregonstate.edu/vwdocs/v ... ocks9.html

There are metamorphic rocks in the W but the map above gives a broad overview , showing mostly granite.

A friend recently pointed out the Canadian Shield. The bottom of the shield is shown in the above map. The shield is metamorphic rock with a thin coating of sediment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Shield

The magnetic anomaly map below shows a circular pattern surrounding Hudson Bay.

http://pubs.usgs.gov/sm/mag_map/mag_s.pdf

Hudson Bay seems to be the center of a high energy plasma vortex event.

The maps below show the various forms of rock and sediment.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... _types.jpg

It seems the events over central TX and Four Corners produced the volcanics up and down the western Americas. The areas not zapped are still sediment.

If You open Google Earth and put Hudson Bay in the center of the map You'll notice the distance from NY state to the North shore of Greenland is about the same. This removes the distortion of normal maps as You go towards the N.

The geologists version of the metamorphic process is presented in the link below. Entire mountain regions require starting at the surface when they are sedimentary, then over thirty kilometers of depth, then a magic return to the surface. Many mountains in Death Valley require this special trip.

http://www.tulane.edu/~sanelson/eens111 ... orphic.htm

Comments anyone? Can anyone else see the electrical patterns? Or is the Canadian Shield just what nature does?

michael steinbacher

[starbiter]

If Google Earth is used it appears that the Aleutian Islands and the Caribbean Islands [including Cuba] are mirror images when using Four Corners as a mid point. The distances seem similar.

The volcanic map in the link below shows the process. Remember the distortion as the map goes N. It's stretched.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... _types.jpg

There may have been a vortex over the Salt Lake. It appears the process pulled in molten dust that is misconstrued as volcanic. Or volcanoes form in galaxy like patterns, which seems unlikely. I see the area between the Aleutian Islands and the Caribbean as a mirror image galactic shape. Volcanoes seem to have been produced in the process. If volcanoes are electrical as EU posits this would not be surprising. On the other hand, many of the areas with volcanic rock have no plausible volcanic explanation, in the western USA.

michael

[justcurious]

I believe metamorphic rock is created in situ by high energy plasma, as described in legend. The map below shows a distinct pattern.

http://volcano.oregonstate.edu/vwdocs/v ... ocks9.html

There are metamorphic rocks in the W but the map above gives a broad overview , showing mostly granite.

A friend recently pointed out the Canadian Shield. The bottom of the shield is shown in the above map. The shield is metamorphic rock with a thin coating of sediment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Shield

The magnetic anomaly map below shows a circular pattern surrounding Hudson Bay.

http://pubs.usgs.gov/sm/mag_map/mag_s.pdf

Hudson Bay seems to be the center of a high energy plasma vortex event.

The maps below show the various forms of rock and sediment.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... _types.jpg

It seems the events over central TX and Four Corners produced the volcanics up and down the western Americas. The areas not zapped are still sediment.

If You open Google Earth and put Hudson Bay in the center of the map You'll notice the distance from NY state to the North shore of Greenland is about the same. This removes the distortion of normal maps as You go towards the N.

The geologists version of the metamorphic process is presented in the link below. Entire mountain regions require starting at the surface when they are sedimentary, then over thirty kilometers of depth, then a magic return to the surface. Many mountains in Death Valley require this special trip.

http://www.tulane.edu/~sanelson/eens111 ... orphic.htm

Comments anyone? Can anyone else see the electrical patterns? Or is the Canadian Shield just what nature does?

michael steinbacher

I live in Quebec, and so the Hudson Bay is part of our geography.
It's funny as a kid I always assumed it got it's shape from some sort of meteor impact.
But a few minutes ago I checked on wikipedia and apparently the extraterrestrial impact theory is considered fringe science or disproved. I must admit, I don't really understand the consensus geological view as described in wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hudson_Bay

The Bay is near the center of a major gravity anomaly which has been mapped in some detail by the GRACE satellites. Current theory suggests that about two-thirds of this effect is due to downwards mantle convection under the Bay area, while one-third is due to post-glacial rebound since the Laurentide ice sheet melted. Lands to the west of the Bay are rising as much as 17 millimetres (0.67 in) per year.[19]

Some geologists disagree about what created the semicircular feature, known as the Nastapoka Arc, of the bay. The overwhelming consensus is that it is an arcuate boundary of tectonic origin between the Belcher Fold Belt and undeformed basement of the Superior Craton created during the Trans-Hudson orogen. Although a few geologists have argued that it is possibly related to a Precambrian extraterrestrial impact and have compared it to Mare Crisium on the Moon, no credible evidence for such an impact crater has been found by regional magnetic, Bouguer gravity, and geologic studies.[20]

When I look at the geological maps you shared, the first thing that came to my mind was that this type ofrock lies smack in the middle of a huge impact/crater. If you notice in google earth there are many circular lakes, and interesting "ring" lakes that dot the landscape to the East of the Hudson and James Bays and west of the St. Lawrence Seaway. It's the first time I heard of the Hudson Bay being the center of a major gravitational anomaly.
And you mention the magnetic vortex, I know there were some discussions in the EU regarding correlations between magnetic and gravitational anomalies on planets.

If you ever need someone to dig up some rocks in Quebec, let me know!
I want to try and electrify some rock and see what happens, like the one you were holding in your hand in you EU geology video. See if I can "metamorphose" some rocks (I'm serious!)

Sam

[starbiter]

Hello Sam [justcurious],

I hope to melt/zap ore into rock shortly. I'll keep You posted.

The images below show formations just N of Lake Havasu, CA.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-GyNP5 ... edit?pli=1
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-GyNP5 ... edit?pli=1

It appears to be basalt covering dunes. It appears to me the basalt was red-hot molten dust [iron rich] blowing from left to right. The process produces cliffs on the leeward side

. The idea of a basalt flow creating these formations seems bazaar. This would require folding from horizontal strata. It would also require major erosion of the alleged missing material while the remaining basalt seems quite fresh.

michael

I'm standing on Rt 95 looking W.

http://goo.gl/maps/b5zBI

http://goo.gl/maps/XUSXy

[justcurious]

Michael, I am curious what you think of the Atlas Mountains at the north-western tip of Africa.
There are fossilized sea creatures all over the place miles above sea level.
When looking from the Sahara, you see some giant sand dunes followed by the mountains.
As in your EU geolology video, they have the same sort of shape! (to me at least)
The standard theory says that the Atlas Mountains were formed by continental plates bumping into each-other.
It doesn't do much to explain how they find ocean creature fossils miles high though.
I'm guessing the atlas mountain ranges (at least those in the south of Morocco facing the Sahara) are a result of the duning process after a major earth-ripping event.

[starbiter]

Michael, I am curious what you think of the Atlas Mountains at the north-western tip of Africa.
There are fossilized sea creatures all over the place miles above sea level.
When looking from the Sahara, you see some giant sand dunes followed by the mountains.
As in your EU geolology video, they have the same sort of shape! (to me at least)
The standard theory says that the Atlas Mountains were formed by continental plates bumping into each-other.
It doesn't do much to explain how they find ocean creature fossils miles high though.
I'm guessing the atlas mountain ranges (at least those in the south of Morocco facing the Sahara) are a result of the duning process after a major earth-ripping event.

Hi Sam,

The Atlas Mountains may be the result of an event in Afghanistan.

http://goo.gl/maps/OBzsB

If You zoom out You might notice a reversal of the colors surrounding the black formation [zit]. The reddish and grey colors seem to swirl into the zit. The pattern reminds me of a galaxy or hurricane.

The map below shows mountains surrounding the zit in a circular pattern.

http://goo.gl/maps/e0S40

The map below shows that the Himalayas seem to grow out of NE Afghanstan. The Alps seem to grow out of Iran. The Atlas Mountains seem to be the western border of the event.

https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=3 ... 25&t=p&z=3

The area N of the Himalayas and and S of the Alps seem to be mirror image deserts.

http://goo.gl/maps/Wl1pE

This might be an explanation for the Atlas Mountains, or not. I see a pattern that seems electrical. It appears to me that material was pulled into the zit from space. As the material was drawn in it created mountains and deserts as described by the survivors. This event may have been the pillar of fire and cloud seen in Egypt by the Hebrew people. Indra may be a remembrance of the event by survivors in the E.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indra

This event would be similar to what i propose for the Four Corners area. If this bazaar vision is accurate many of the mountains and deserts of Earth would have been created during these events. A new world as described by the people coming out of caves. The world they knew so well was gone.

michael

[justcurious]

http://goo.gl/maps/Wl1pE

This might be an explanation for the Atlas Mountains, or not. I see a pattern that seems electrical. It appears to me that material was pulled into the zit from space. As the material was drawn in it created mountains and deserts as described by the survivors. This event may have been the pillar of fire and cloud seen in Egypt by the Hebrew people. Indra may be a remembrance of the event by survivors in the E.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indra

This event would be similar to what i propose for the Four Corners area. If this bazaar vision is accurate many of the mountains and deserts of Earth would have been created during these events. A new world as described by the people coming out of caves. The world they knew so well was gone.

michael

Fascinating. I drove through the South of Morocco on many occasions, from the foot of the Atlas mountains going to the Atlantic. Some regions struck me as looking like Mars, I was really impressed by this. And it was many years ago, prior to ever hearing of EU theories and catastrophism. Apparently, the region is a magnet for meteors or rocks (not sure what technical term to use) from Mars. The region was also home to many Gods, mainly Atlas http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_(mythology)

The link you provided sends me to the global map of the world. Can you repost the link or provide coordinates of the zit (what's a zit? you mean like a pimple?) in the Atlas mountains?

Sam...

[starbiter]

http://goo.gl/maps/l0wrx

I hope this helps. Just zoom out.

michael

[Corpuscles]

There is an attempt being made to melt ore with an electric arc. We need at least a 500 amp DC welder. Preferably the welder would be able to run on variable volts. The lower the voltage the better i'm told. I'm in southern California if there is equipment in this area. The process creates fumes so it needs to be done with a hood or outside away from people. There is a mobile hood available in the Riverside CA area that we have access to. I would travel anywhere if required. Any assistance would be appreciated. We would like to create a variety of igneous and metamorphic rock.

If someone has a high amp service a welder can be attached i'm told. 100 foot cables can be attached.

michael steinbacher

Michael

I recently visited and read Eugeology site and found it a fascinating and somewhat compelling read. I assume it is your site? If so ..well done!... and I would like to ask a question or two if I may?

1. In that site there are pictures showing granite and basalt which have been artificially created via electricity, in experiment. I am wondering if you could point to any more detailed papers or explaination of how and by whom that was achieved?

2. There was much discussion of a deluge or many where rivers quickly eroded canyons etc but where did all the sediment come from originally? Do you mean millions of years of weathering or massive dumping of fine particles from space? (It was a quick late night read so I may have missed something so please excuse if this shows ignorance.)

Thanks in anticipation

Cheers
Steve

[starbiter]

Michael

I recently visited and read Eugeology site and found it a fascinating and somewhat compelling read. I assume it is your site? If so ..well done!... and I would like to ask a question or two if I may?

1. In that site there are pictures showing granite and basalt which have been artificially created via electricity, in experiment. I am wondering if you could point to any more detailed papers or explaination of how and by whom that was achieved?

2. There was much discussion of a deluge or many where rivers quickly eroded canyons etc but where did all the sediment come from originally? Do you mean millions of years of weathering or massive dumping of fine particles from space? (It was a quick late night read so I may have missed something so please excuse if this shows ignorance.)

Thanks in anticipation

Cheers
Steve[/quote]

Hello Steve,

Thanks for the kind words. There will be an attempt next Tues. to reproduce the melting of ore with an electric arc. The results will be published here. There were no reports about the first time this was accomplished. It was a failure. It was an attempt to smelt ore. Instead my friend created a rock.

I believe the vast majority of sediment is extraterrestrial. Probably from a large comet as described in Worlds in Collision.

michael

[justcurious]

I can't wait to see the results!