Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

[starbiter]

I should have mentioned that the layers of "Sleeping Woman/Frenchman Mountain" are supposed to be the same as the Grand Canyon. So it's like looking at a tilted version of an exposed Grand Canyon.



michael

[GaryN]

Or maybe there is a conspiracy to hide the electrical nature of the gorge.

If I had the resources, I'd head down to Texas and check that 'new' canyon myself. Something doesn't smell right with their explanation. If the Guadalupe river bed is made of the same stuff, it should by now be as wide and deep as the Grand Canyon, given what a few days of water appears to have done in the 'new' canyon.

[GaryN]

I'd like to change, or refine perhaps, my interpretation of the Matheson Lake feature I linked to previously:

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=sooke+ma ... a&t=p&z=13

The discharge path may not have been across the valley from one side to the other, but from either side towards Matheson Lake.



The Island in the lake may have been the electrode for a discharge to the atmosphere, maybe like the central peak in many craters. Getting to the top of the island will be high up on my itinerary for next years trips, in the hope of finding modified rock at the peak, a dream would be amorphous silica, or green glass of course, but some quartz veins pointing the right direction would suffice.
And, the Grinch is not going to ruin my Christmas this year, as I was just talking with my cousin who has been acting as an intermediary between the young geologist, from three generation of geologists based on Vancouver Island, and myself, and she informs me he is now willing to consider electrical causes for some of the local geological features. I don't know which ones yet though. Yipee! Yahoo! Woops, best not get too carried away, but just one endorsement from someone suitably qualified, in the conventional sense, could be the break I have been waiting for on this, so far, long and lonely road. I certainly think I know how Velikovsky must have felt in his dealings with the 'authorities'.

[GaryN]

So I took a quick trip down to Texas and had a look around Canyon Lake and the new gorge:

Larger:
http://www3.telus.net/myworld/texasflood.png
Looks similar to something I've seen on Mars, so there MUST have been running water on Mars! Glad that is sorted out.

[newalexandria]

Is there any traction to the idea that some supervolcanos are misidentified planetary plasma events?

Here is a recent geological paper on Utah supervolcanos:

Thinking of the wording in the article, it seemed at first that some supervolcanos are identified by the spread and depth of certain rock types - rather than being certain of a magma taper/vent in ancient times.

[GaryN]

I'd say we must consider electrical/plasma processes occurring at the time of the supervolcanos, and perhaps that supervolcanos are the result of underground electric currents and not some deep pool of pressure heated rock. These images from Bolivia show what I would class as electrical alteration and erosion, but conventionally will be weathering over long time periods. They have been identified as volcanic Ignimbrite.

[starbiter]

Is there any traction to the idea that some supervolcanos are misidentified planetary plasma events?

Here is a recent geological paper on Utah supervolcanos:

Thinking of the wording in the article, it seemed at first that some supervolcanos are identified by the spread and depth of certain rock types - rather than being certain of a magma taper/vent in ancient times.

Hi Alexandrea,

There are many areas that are supposed to be volcanoes that are problematic. Los alamos in NM is an example.

http://goo.gl/maps/0eOlC

It appears to me to be the result of an electrical vortex while the air was choked with dust.

Just to the SW is another similar formation. Mt Taylor was flooded to the S so there wasn't accumulation, IMO. The dust was washed away.

http://goo.gl/maps/9iGPa

These would be vortcies within a larger vortex.

http://goo.gl/maps/ITZ1s

Of course geologists would never consider this option. There is welded tuff. It MUST be volcanic.

There are formations like this around the world where the electrical process was intense.

http://goo.gl/maps/OJ8Y6

michael

[starbiter]

Is there any traction to the idea that some supervolcanos are misidentified planetary plasma events?

Here is a recent geological paper on Utah supervolcanos:

Thinking of the wording in the article, it seemed at first that some supervolcanos are identified by the spread and depth of certain rock types - rather than being certain of a magma taper/vent in ancient times.

The link concerning UT and NV is an area i've been spending a lot of time looking at. The formations don't appear to be from a pyroclastic flow. It appears to be airborne dust that was red-hot, as described in legend. Some of the welded tuff is supposed to be from 80 miles away. The dust would need to remain molten for 80 miles after leaving the missing caldera.

I've looked at the alleged caldera remnant. It looks like the rest of the mountains in the area.

http://goo.gl/maps/WLHHO

I'll post images later.

The image below is what a real volcano looks like. I drove through the lave field a few years ago.

http://goo.gl/maps/xuwSm

http://goo.gl/maps/e0qiC


michael

[Spektralscavenger]

The continents are sort of hyperlarge and flattened mountains. How did they originate? Why do they concentrate on the north? How do they rise and sink real quickly as evidence suggests? Why other planets do not have continental masses?

[starbiter]

The continents are sort of hyperlarge and flattened mountains. How did they originate? Why do they concentrate on the north? How do they rise and sink real quickly as evidence suggests? Why other planets do not have continental masses?

Hi Spektral,

Thanks for the questions. Continents might have something to do with our planet having liquid water. I see external dust accumulating wherever there is dry land. It appears that massive Birkeland currents exasperate the process. Volanoes sticking up above the oceans surface might be seeds for the process.

I think it's possible for land masses to rise and fall, but it's much easier for liquid water to rise and fall. If a land mass moves a 1,000 miles closer to the equator, sea level will rise about 11,000 feet. If the landmass moves 1,000 miles away from the equator sea level will drop about 11,000 feet. Of course the amount of water available can also be variable.

We seem to be the only planet in the Solar System with liquid water. That might explain the lack of continents on other Solar System bodies.

michael

[larryduane100]

Starbiter's model keeps on tickin'. Perhaps all mountains on all planet are caused by wind accumulation of heated dust, dirt, gravel, etc. This wind being electric in one form or another. And now the variable equator model explaining water depth really helps me see the big picture.
The continental sizes of excavation on Mars show we could have experienced some carving on our planet. The 'S' shape of North America from Alaska to the Carribean and the 'S' shape of Valles Marineris is noteworthy.
Larry

[starbiter]

Starbiter's model keeps on tickin'. Perhaps all mountains on all planet are caused by wind accumulation of heated dust, dirt, gravel, etc. This wind being electric in one form or another. And now the variable equator model explaining water depth really helps me see the big picture.
The continental sizes of excavation on Mars show we could have experienced some carving on our planet. The 'S' shape of North America from Alaska to the Carribean and the 'S' shape of Valles Marineris is noteworthy.
Larry

Thanks for the kind words Larry.

Stumbled on this creationist report about Mt St. Helens eruption. The information seems solid.

http://www.icr.org/research/index/researchp_sa_r04/

Figures #3 and #5 are interesting. Figure #3 looks similar to the dendritic ridges on Mars. The process is described below.



"Figure 3 shows the same large explosion pit as in Figure 2, but after a flat floor had been formed by a pyroclastic flow on June 12 that deposited an additional 25 feet of pumice, reducing the depth to 100 feet. Also evident in Figure 3 is an elaborate dendritic pattern of rills and gullies on the sides of the pit that resembles badlands topography. Virtually all of these gullies and rills formed within the first five days after May 18 by the retrogressive slumping of the rim, not by water erosion. According to traditional interpretations, this topography might be assumed to require many centuries of rill and gully erosion if the rapid progress of its development had not been observed."

me again,


The features in figure #5 are similar to many canyons on the Earth. Fresh material removed by a flood, creating dendritic patterns.

I believe the volcano had an electrical component. Namely telluric currents to heat the subsurface. And the pyroclastic current/flow seems to be charged. Dust and vapor at 1,500 degrees F going down hill seems odd. But the dust and vapor rush down hill hugging the ground. Electric charge may play a role.

But the dendritic ridges seem to be from something other than a electric discharge to a dusty surface.

michael steinbacher

[starbiter]

The link below is for the same article about Mt St Helens from the last post. Image 5 shows canyons created by a rapid flood. The Google maps link shows the dendritic patterns produced.


http://www.icr.org/research/index/researchp_sa_r04/


http://goo.gl/maps/oTS9L

https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=U ... 1,74.922,0

michael

[starbiter]

The Mt St Helens images remind me of what i see all over the western US. As if there was a flood full of sediment. The water level seems to have changed rapidly on a number of occasions in short order. At the same time there appears to have been dust, gravel, rocks and boulders falling from the sky. Some of the time the material was wet due to hurricane plus conditions. Other times the material seems to have been electrically molten by what appeared to be a river of fire.

It appears that fresh dry sediment wastes into dendritic ridges. It appears from field work that the welded tuff process also creates dendritic ridges. The wet and molten material mentioned above mimics the welded tuff process. It looks like the map below.

http://goo.gl/maps/0YyWR

The basalt layer covering much of the surface in the map above doesn't need to be volcanic in an Electric universe. Under the basalt are dunes with the ingredients of concrete. Under the dunes is slosh.

http://www.arizonaruins.com/sedona/sedona_geology.html

Looks like this around Sedona.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-GyNP5 ... NyZm8/edit

The mountains around Flagstaff rise above the sediments below. They would have risen above the flood giving them more time to grow. They don't seem to be volcanoes. There are cinder cones surrounding them with some lava flows.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-GyNP5 ... FBUTA/edit

http://goo.gl/maps/plCt4 Looking from bottom to top.

The carbonates required for the concrete like layers are easily explained with comet dust, which is rich in dolomite and limestone. Fast drying rock. Sometimes charred on the outside.



michael

[starbiter]

A friend is having difficulty seeing the process i propose for the western N American area.

I like the sediment map in yellow posted below to see the process.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... _types.jpg

Below is a map of the central circle. The area E of Denver was probably under water preventing accumulation.

https://mapsengine.google.com/map/edit? ... X5Zs&hl=en

There appears to have vortices within the vortex.

https://mapsengine.google.com/map/edit? ... PTK4&hl=en

https://mapsengine.google.com/map/edit? ... 6gyg&hl=en

Where these proposed vortices come together the trending of the formations is interesting.

https://mapsengine.google.com/map/edit? ... kXyw&hl=en

The marker that says Great Volcano is supposed to be a caldera remnant. It trends to the W.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-GyNP5 ... NpNWM/edit

This would be the largest caldera of Earth if were round.

The other three markers/formations trend to the E. The image below is the southern formation.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-GyNP5 ... RlNmM/edit


As i mentioned earlier, there are mirror image arcs going N and S into Canada and Mexico from the main circle.

This event didn't happen year after year. It's impossible to know how long the proposed process might have lasted, but it wasn't a yearly event. And to refer to it as lightning, as some have, might be technically correct, but the scale is quite different than a thunderstorm.

Just N of Albuquerque is what i see as another vortex within the bigger vortex.

https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&tab=wl

The rim of the crater is covered with welded tuff. It MUST be a volcano. There's no other explanation for molten rock! The geology tour in March will concentrate on this formation on the days prior to the conference. The tour is free.

michael