Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

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The map below shows the area in Afghanistan with Rare Earth Elements in the center. To the East are the Himalayas, to the West the Alps. The mountains are not a perfect mirror image, but they are similar. Please try the terrain image.

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=213 ... 158.027344

To the North of the Himalayas is a desert. To the South of the Alps is a desert.

A huge thunderbolt while the air was choked with dust might concentrate the dust in a pattern like the map above.

michael

[GaryN]

Hi Michael,
Looking at many features, from certain altitudes, the patterns that can be
seen that look fully electrical to me, and from duning to you, remind me of
cymatic patterns, vibrational. So if we have a dense proton stream sucking
electrons up from the Earths interior, causing resistance heating and melting,
then the addition of pulsations to the event could cause a 3d version of those
cymatic patterns. The observed vitrification of peaks would indicate the highest
current flows and highest temperatures, and the drawing-up of the peaks, to me,
makes much more sense than the upthrust model.
On Vancouver Island, I am excited with this model, as we know (or they know, and
I believe them) that this area was under more than a mile of ice just 12-13,000
years ago. The Island supposedly, was pushed down under the weight, and slowly
sprung back up. The top of the island, having had numerous advances and retreats
of the glaciers, should have been ground flat, so when it sprung back up, why did
it end up with all the peaks and ridges, deep canyons, melted looking mounds,
and vitrified peaks? Erosion by water has not had time to cut slot canyons in the
basalt.
Here is an interesting mine in the middle of the Island, close to a lake that I can
only think was excavated in the same event/s.
Myra Falls.
http://www.mining-technology.com/projects/myra/
Have a pan and zoom around the Island, I think you will find it interesting.

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Hello Gary: If the catastrophic model is used i think everything concerning process has to be re-thought. Everything. Especially concerning glaciers.

The process You describe of drawing up the mountain peaks due to vibrations [cymatic patterns] makes as much sense as duning i suppose. But it doesn't fit the descriptions from legend as well as duning, IMHO. If inter-planetary thunderbolts are added to the equation while the air was choked with dust the duning becomes even more complex. But the process would still be a duning process. Blowing sand interrupted by a ridge. Electrical events would intensify, and give directionality to the process.

The River of Fire described in legend as coming down from above and burning mountains, melting them, melting them like wax, sounds more like an external plasma event than internal heat. But both are possible i suppose.

Do You consider legend in your thinking about geology Gary?

Your island seems cool. There are similar minerals all over the western US. I believe an electrical event/thunderbolt of some sort might be responsible for the concentration of minerals into deposits rich enough for mining.

In my earlier post with links to pictures of dunes, could You see a resemblance between dunes and mountains?

Thanks for the Rare Earth link.

michael

[GaryN]

Hi Michael,
Here is an area of Nebraska with rare earth deposits. I have had a look with
Google earth and Maps, and there does look to be some duning, or E/M ripples,
bu maybe dust covered or eroded, not very well defined. Thought you might want
to take a look at the area and give us your take.
Elk Creek Niobium & Rare Earth Project, Nebraska USA
http://www.quantumrareearth.com/elk-creek.html
Neb. mine find to challenge China’s dominance of vital rare minerals
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... /?page=all

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Hello Gary: It's hard to know what's going on with the area in Nebraska. It appears to have been sloshed over, removing any clues. The geologists need to drill to learn the score. The Missouri River is close by, so the drainage covered the area.

The Rare Earth deposit is in carbonatite, a carbonate best explained as comet dust.

Afghanistan is so much different. The story is on the surface. The Rare Earth deposit is the center. Sort of a giant neon sign. Here it is! With circles and arrows. The area doesn't appear to be sloshed or duned over to a great degree, since the electrical event that caused it.

If the formation in Afghanistan was on Mars, it would be recognized as electrical. It's difficult to imagine something so large on our planet.

michael

[GaryN]

Thanks Michael.

The Rare Earth deposit is in carbonatite, a carbonate best explained as comet dust.

I did my Geology lesson, learned something today! The timescales of the Standard Model of
Geology though, as I think we are agreed, may be well out of whack if electrical forces can
speed things up dramatically. The Limestone and shale top layer is put at the Paleozoic period
of origin, very old, which it may be, and if the Earth has undergone many catastrophic events, as per the ancient Greek writings, then we may not ever be able to sort out the true age. That is why I like my area, at least there
is a reasonably certain, fairly recent(~13kYA) event to anchor to.
From Wiki:

Carbonatites are rare, peculiar igneous rocks formed by unusual processes and from unusual source rocks.

They list 3 main possible origins, so even Geologists aren't sure of an exact process.

If the formation in Afghanistan was on Mars, it would be recognized as electrical. It's difficult to imagine something so large on our planet.

The magnitude of what has happened on Earth becomes more and more mind-boggling the more I learn.
No wonder the vestiges of humans past are found mainly in caves. Hmm, I know there are some old
iron mines around here somewhere....

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This TPOD concerning the Chicago Fire gives a flavor of what it's like when a comet fragment enters the atmosphere of Earth.

http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2006/ ... gofire.htm The whole TPOD is interesting

[...]
"Much has been said of the intense heat of the fires which destroyed Peshtigo, Menekaune, Williamsonville, etc., but all that has been said can give the stranger but a faint conception of the reality. The heat has been compared to that engendered by a flame concentrated on an object by a blow-pipe; but even that would not account for some of the phenomena. For instance, we have in our possession a copper cent taken from the pocket of a dead man in the Peshtigo Sugar Bush, which will illustrate our point. This cent has been partially fused, but still retains its round form, and the inscription upon it is legible. Others, in the same pocket, were partially melted, and yet the clothing and the body of the man were not even singed. We do not know in what way to account for this, unless, as is asserted by some, the tornado and fire were accompanied by electrical phenomena".


"The flames that consumed a great part of Chicago were of an unusual character and produced extraordinary effects. They absolutely melted the hardest building-stone, which had previously been considered fire-proof. Iron, glass, granite, were fused and run together into grotesque conglomerates, as if they had been put through a blast-furnace. No kind of material could stand its breath for a moment."

"The huge stone and brick structures melted before the fierceness of the flames as a snow-flake melts and disappears in water, and almost as quickly. Six-story buildings would take fire and disappear for ever from sight in five minutes by the watch. . . . The fire also doubled on its track at the great Union Depot and burned half a mile southward in the very teeth of the gale--a gale which blew a perfect tornado, and in which no vessel could have lived on the lake. . . . Strange, fantastic fires of blue, red, and green played along the cornices of buildings".

"Accompanying the firestorm and the wind was a rain of red hot sand. It was not clear to those eyewitnesses who survived their ordeal where this sand came from. It must have been raised from the earth by the incredible winds, but from where? There was sand on the beaches, but the beaches lay to the east, and the wind was blowing from the west and the south. There was no sand on the floor of the forest nor on the farmlands of Wisconsin".

Waskin also mentions incredible "balloons of fire" reported by many people, including one family that lived between Peshtigo and Green Bay. "The onslaught was so sudden that the family could only run to the center of an immense clearing on their farm where nothing combustible stood. They hoped to be safe, several hundreds yards from structures or trees.

"When the fire came, rushing on all sides of them, it did not in fact touch them. But eyewitnesses saw them die. A great balloon of fire dropped on them – father, mother, and four children. They were incinerated in an instant. Almost nothing was left of them".

"Many survivors described these great balls of fire falling from the sky. The whole sky was filled with them; round smoky masses about the size of a large balloon, traveling at unbelievable speed. They fell to the ground and burst". Waskin says that a brilliant blaze of fire erupted from the balloons as they landed, instantly consuming everything they touched.

Me again,
If this report was written by an Electric Universe advocate it might be considered suspicious. But these descriptions are from 1883. Electricity was hardly known. Plasma didn't have a name. But the survivors describe plasmoids and fire tornadoes.


michael

[GaryN]

Not the first time it has happened, or last, I'd wager, but does sound like one occasion where a Faraday suit might have offered sufficient protection. Be prepared? Maybe some fine copper mesh over the windows of my old panel van would make it a safe haven?

[KimGifford]

GaryN-
Thanks for mentioning Carbonatites, I'd never heard of them before, but they speak of shallow melt, wouldn't you say? Forget all that "deep magma straight from the mantle" silliness. Deep magma might not even exist. The Kola Borehole, which goes down to around 7 miles depth, has revealed no basalt layer at all. Pressure is supposed to increase with depth, but at 4.5km in the Kola hole the pressure stops increasing with depth. No wonder we find no basalt down there. We really need to start looking at shallow sources for our modern volcanic eruptions. Shallow melts point towards electrical double-layers, even in the rock.
Just my humble opinion

[GaryN]

GaryN-
Thanks for mentioning Carbonatites

It was Michael who mentioned them, I just looked them up to learn about them myself. I'm a geology greenhorn, most of what I have learned so far is from Michael, thank you Sir!
I do agree though Kim that the sources are probably not as deep as is believed, though I might favor a resistance heating along horizontal current channels over electrical double layers, but I'm certainly not adamant in that belief.
And just an added thought about deep hole drilling and electricity, it popped into my mind that perhaps the drill bits get so hot because there is a potential difference between the surface and the deep layers so that the drill bit is again heated by resistance?
I posted this video a while ago, which to me seems like the rock dropped down the bore was having layers blown off its outside as it passed through voltage gradients, and electrical pulsations are used industrially to shatter rock. I can't imagine the blowback being from the rock hitting a protrusion in the bore or something. I wonder if anyone ever put a voltage probe down there?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JT-INK5yHLA

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ElecGeekMom posted on the "Possible electrical scars on Planet Earth" about Chimney Rock.

http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/forum/phpB ... 270#p60270

The formation reminds me of a fulgurite. Monument Valley has many similar formations.

http://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&h ... 80&bih=685

It appears to me that thunderbolts might have lithified the material making it less prone to erosion. The unlithified material was then removed by either water or wind leaving the monuments behind, possibly.

michael

[GaryN]

The unlithified material was then removed by either water or wind leaving the monuments behind, possibly.

How about an ion wind and ablation?
GaAs Grand Canyon micrograph.

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The unlithified material was then removed by either water or wind leaving the monuments behind, possibly.

How about an ion wind and ablation?
GaAs Grand Canyon micrograph.

Hello Gary: No problem adding ion to wind. The wind i refer to would be electrical. A tornado on steroids. There might also be electric discharge machining like events. Any removal of material would be ablation, from my understanding of the word.

The area surrounding Monument Valley is a 400 mile wide fire tornado remnant, IMO.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UT ... =7&vpsrc=6

The tan circular center of the map would be the double layer center of the process.

michael

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The image below is of Balanced Rock, in Arches National Park, UT. It is 128' high. The bottom seems to be slurry runoff which appears to have melted. It is lithified. The rock in the area draws climbers from around the world because of it's hardness. I don't know the hardness of this particular structure.


https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B-GyNP ... x&hl=en_US



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balanced_Rock

http://g.co/maps/jq4af

Moab is just South of Balanced Rock. This area is within the 400 mile ring centered on the beige area at the center of the map below.

http://g.co/maps/mwd3j

michael

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The unofficial EU based geology tour starts on Jan 2nd in the Las Vagas area. After the conference we will travel South to the Palm Springs area [Yucca valley} until the 14th. Everyone is welcome. It looks like about 10 people will participate, as of now. It appears i'll have the lowest IQ.

My email is below.

steinbac@ix.netcom.com

michael steinbacher