Massive Leak! Proven Collusion to Stop GW Critics!
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Grey Cloud
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Re: Massive Leak! Proven Collusion to Stop GW Critics!
Here's the reason for the MMGW scam:
Nuclear fuel: are we heading for a uranium crunch?
"AS THE world prepares for the largest investment in nuclear power in decades,..."
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg2 ... runch.html
This all goes back to the Thatcher and Reagan era. They needed a way of getting the public to accept nuclear power. It's the reason she destroyed the British mining industry. Check out her husband Denis' business interests.
Nuclear fuel: are we heading for a uranium crunch?
"AS THE world prepares for the largest investment in nuclear power in decades,..."
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg2 ... runch.html
This all goes back to the Thatcher and Reagan era. They needed a way of getting the public to accept nuclear power. It's the reason she destroyed the British mining industry. Check out her husband Denis' business interests.
If I have the least bit of knowledge
I will follow the great Way alone
and fear nothing but being sidetracked.
The great Way is simple
but people delight in complexity.
Tao Te Ching, 53.
I will follow the great Way alone
and fear nothing but being sidetracked.
The great Way is simple
but people delight in complexity.
Tao Te Ching, 53.
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Re: Massive Leak! Proven Collusion to Stop GW Critics!
GC, and don't forget the small residue from nuclear fuel recycling: plutonium-I maintain the real reason to build nuclear reactors.

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Re: Massive Leak! Proven Collusion to Stop GW Critics!
For a rather unbiased analysis of the content of the "ClimateGate" files, check here: Reading the "ClimateGate" Emails.
It shows that climate science is very inexact at best. The "tweaks" in the data are larger than the reported temperature changes, data processing is amateuristic and original data is not available for third party verification. Very shaky foundations for the amount of politics connected to it.
It shows that climate science is very inexact at best. The "tweaks" in the data are larger than the reported temperature changes, data processing is amateuristic and original data is not available for third party verification. Very shaky foundations for the amount of politics connected to it.
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Re: Massive Leak! Proven Collusion to Stop GW Critics!
Nice link Steven.
To me the problem with GW theory generally is that they are using too many disparate types of sources/data, e.g. land temps, sea temps, satellite, ice-cores, tree-rings, etc. This combined with varying methodologies and standards over the last century or more, means that there is too much adjusting, calibrating, converting, smoothing, etc required to merge the different data. All this leaves too much room for subjective judgements or guesstimates.
Some of these sources were not intended to measure global temperatures. There is, for instance a comment in the article about satellite technology and the troposphere. And as I understand things, tree-rings are indicators of sunlight not temperature per se.
To me the problem with GW theory generally is that they are using too many disparate types of sources/data, e.g. land temps, sea temps, satellite, ice-cores, tree-rings, etc. This combined with varying methodologies and standards over the last century or more, means that there is too much adjusting, calibrating, converting, smoothing, etc required to merge the different data. All this leaves too much room for subjective judgements or guesstimates.
Some of these sources were not intended to measure global temperatures. There is, for instance a comment in the article about satellite technology and the troposphere. And as I understand things, tree-rings are indicators of sunlight not temperature per se.
If I have the least bit of knowledge
I will follow the great Way alone
and fear nothing but being sidetracked.
The great Way is simple
but people delight in complexity.
Tao Te Ching, 53.
I will follow the great Way alone
and fear nothing but being sidetracked.
The great Way is simple
but people delight in complexity.
Tao Te Ching, 53.
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Re: Massive Leak! Proven Collusion to Stop GW Critics!
Tree rings show simply spurts in growth... these correlate with local weather, temperature, moisture, sunlight, seasons, and every other factor that causes trees to grow, but roughly relate to annual cycles, not any other broad trend. Global climate "adjustment" has been happening ever since the recession of the Ice Age, and correlates well with recent solar cycles, other clime adjustments such as melting of the permafrost, rapid desertification of the Sahara, and volcanic activity. Somewhere in the mix, people throw some "extra" CO2 into the atmosphere, but no one has ever been able to show a correlation, let alone causation, between CO2 and GW. I'm all for good stewardship of the earth, I recycle, I avoid extra packaging, and I abhor smoking. Pollution is awful, and I teach a lot about healthy maintenance of biodiversity. Global warming may continue to happen, and people should be knowledgeable about how it may affect coastal habitation, etc., but it would happen with or without the influence of people, and no amount of funding wasted on it's supposed prevention can possibly be recovered in any kind of climatic gain. Recent surveys indicate that belief in human-caused GW is at an all time low in the US... so we're wising up, and that's warming news!
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Re: Massive Leak! Proven Collusion to Stop GW Critics!
SOURCEI was originally a believer in Global Warming until two years ago when I started to research the subject in more detail whereupon I discovered the same tactics used against plasma physicists - carefully ignoral, ad hom attacks, denial of publication, refusal to accept observational scientific evidence - are the same tactics used in the climate debate.
After reading many of the so called global warming websites and blogs the language was always the same " science settled, NASA agrees, general consensus, 1000's of scientists can't be wrong.
I instantly smelled something decomposing.
So I checked the skeptic's camp and found Piers and many others who talked only of the science, real world evidence, first principle physics and just plain common sense.
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Re: Massive Leak! Proven Collusion to Stop GW Critics!
'Show Your Working': What 'ClimateGate' means
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8388485.stm
A step in the right direction?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8388485.stm
A step in the right direction?
If I have the least bit of knowledge
I will follow the great Way alone
and fear nothing but being sidetracked.
The great Way is simple
but people delight in complexity.
Tao Te Ching, 53.
I will follow the great Way alone
and fear nothing but being sidetracked.
The great Way is simple
but people delight in complexity.
Tao Te Ching, 53.
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Is it all pork and spam?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/colu ... edcar.htmlWhat is the connection between Dr Rajendra Pachauri, the Indian railway engineer who has been much in evidence at the Copenhagen climate conference, as chairman of the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and an Indian-owned steel company's decision to mothball its giant Teesside steel works next month, ripping the heart out of the town of Redcar by putting 1,700 people out of work?
And the connection with Dr Pachauri? Directly there is no connection at all. But it just happens that Dr Pachauri's other main job, apart from being chairman of the IPCC, is as director-general of the Tata Energy Research Institute, funded by Tata, which he has run since 1981.
He may not benefit in any way personally from Tata's exploitation of the various
carbon trading schemes set up to implement the 1997 Kyoto Protocol, but it is the IPCC which provides the recommendations which drive those schemes, Last year, on official figures, buying and selling the right to emit CO2 was worth $126 billion across the world. This market, now enriching many of our leading financial institutions (not to mention Al Gore), is growing so fast that within a few years it is predicted to be worth trillions, making carbon the most valuable traded commodity in the world.
Forget Big Oil: the new world power is Big Carbon.Truly it has been a miracle of our time that they have managed to transform carbon dioxide, a gas upon which all life on earth depends, into a "pollutant", worth more than diamonds, let alone oil. And many of those now gathered in Copenhagen are making a great deal of money out of it.
And how amazing it fits with other schemes
http://www.guardian.co.uk/global/2009/d ... ief-claimsDrugs money worth billions of dollars kept the financial system afloat at the height of the global crisis, the United Nations' drugs and crime tsar has told the Observer.
Antonio Maria Costa, head of the UN Office on Drugs and Crime, said he has seen evidence that the proceeds of organised crime were "the only liquid investment capital" available to some banks on the brink of collapse last year. He said that a majority of the $352bn (£216bn) of drugs profits was absorbed into the economic system as a result.
http://www.financialsense.com/editorial ... /1208.htmlThe man with the nickname “Dr Flu”, Professor Albert Osterhaus, of the Erasmus University in Rotterdam Holland has been named by Dutch media researchers as the person at the center of the worldwide Swine Flu H1N1 Influenza A 2009 pandemic hysteria. Not only is Osterhaus the connecting person in an international network that has been described as the Pharma Mafia, he is THE key advisor to WHO on influenza and is intimately positioned to personally profit from the billions of euros in vaccines allegedly aimed at H1N1.
As for the Warming alarmists and there emails and data, the emails are not important at all, it's all about the free access (or the lack thereof) to the data and how that data is handled:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/08/t ... rwin-zero/People keep saying “Yes, the Climategate scientists behaved badly. But that doesn’t mean the data is bad. That doesn’t mean the earth is not warming.”
Pork Cosmology
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Re: Massive Leak! Proven Collusion to Stop GW Critics!
Hi StefanR,
Nice post but the clip from 'Network' frightened me to death.
Nice post but the clip from 'Network' frightened me to death.
If I have the least bit of knowledge
I will follow the great Way alone
and fear nothing but being sidetracked.
The great Way is simple
but people delight in complexity.
Tao Te Ching, 53.
I will follow the great Way alone
and fear nothing but being sidetracked.
The great Way is simple
but people delight in complexity.
Tao Te Ching, 53.
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Re: Massive Leak! Proven Collusion to Stop GW Critics!
It frightened you, GC? In what sense, if I may ask?
The illusion from which we are seeking to extricate ourselves is not that constituted by the realm of space and time, but that which comes from failing to know that realm from the standpoint of a higher vision. -L.H.
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In that there really are people who think that money makes the world go around; that there is nothing higher for a human being to aim for than to 'produce and consume'; that the creation of profit is the ultimate manifestation of human creativity.StefanR wrote:It frightened you, GC? In what sense, if I may ask?
If I have the least bit of knowledge
I will follow the great Way alone
and fear nothing but being sidetracked.
The great Way is simple
but people delight in complexity.
Tao Te Ching, 53.
I will follow the great Way alone
and fear nothing but being sidetracked.
The great Way is simple
but people delight in complexity.
Tao Te Ching, 53.
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I'm sorry for having put you in that state, as fear narrows the mind. But fear is not needed I guess, but perhaps more a sense of compassion for the sad state one would be in living such a view of things as you describe. But that is a state perhaps more prevalent amongst people who do not have it, for those that really have it think differently about it.
(But for consolations you should not be with me, I'm not that kind of Lady.
I can remember something about strange remarks of a certain elected person saying something about that " Evil exists in this world." I think you should search in the direction of book iv
)
As for Network, good movie with nice remarks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFvT_qEZJf8
and perhaps this is a good remedy to follow up, it might relief you of the fear and get mad as ..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90ELleCQvew
(But for consolations you should not be with me, I'm not that kind of Lady.
I can remember something about strange remarks of a certain elected person saying something about that " Evil exists in this world." I think you should search in the direction of book iv
As for Network, good movie with nice remarks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFvT_qEZJf8
and perhaps this is a good remedy to follow up, it might relief you of the fear and get mad as ..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90ELleCQvew
The illusion from which we are seeking to extricate ourselves is not that constituted by the realm of space and time, but that which comes from failing to know that realm from the standpoint of a higher vision. -L.H.
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Re: Massive Leak! Proven Collusion to Stop GW Critics!
Birkeland you have outed me - with picture and all.
Deep Thought Rort is my essay.
Nice to see a little interdisciplinary cross publication.
Thank you for the post.
Deep Thought Rort is my essay.
Nice to see a little interdisciplinary cross publication.
Thank you for the post.
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Re: Massive Leak! Proven Collusion to Stop GW Critics!
Nice post StefanR, that really ties things up quite niceley, I had NO idea about Pachauri ... most illuminating.
Reading the info about the projected worth of the carbon-trade based economy it strikes me how we are witnessing the creation of the next economic bubble, which the same bunch of people are going to exploit for the usual gains. We're still suffering the after math of the global economic crisis, yet the usual suspects are still all sitting comfortably in their posts. In other words, the global economic collapse has only affected a certain - how shall I say- social class- i.e "the consumer" (I mean you and me
). And rather than revise the whole corrupt, unjust system, we not only allow another Golden Calf onto the scene, we actively demonstrate in favour of it cf; Copenhagen and the global cap and trade scheme. Based on, as we can clearly see, bad science, manipulation of data, repression and obfuscation of research and political interests. In other words, we are creating another bubble based economic system, based on thin air.
Wall Street and the debt based economy, not to mention the economy of most of the influential nations of the world today, is actually an economy based on something which simply doesn't exist: money which is not there in any physical form. This system just collapsed. So we are re-building it based on something else we can't see; Co2. I truly think there are no coincidences in life. Hans Christian Anderson's tale of The Emperor's Clothes was published in Copenhagen and the new economy based on the great Co2 swindle is being created there as we speak. The Emperor really has no clothes.
And just as an FYI, Google the study/book Political Ponerology for those who are interested in an explanation of the apparent 'evil' which runs such systems as the global economy, and global politics.
Reading the info about the projected worth of the carbon-trade based economy it strikes me how we are witnessing the creation of the next economic bubble, which the same bunch of people are going to exploit for the usual gains. We're still suffering the after math of the global economic crisis, yet the usual suspects are still all sitting comfortably in their posts. In other words, the global economic collapse has only affected a certain - how shall I say- social class- i.e "the consumer" (I mean you and me
Wall Street and the debt based economy, not to mention the economy of most of the influential nations of the world today, is actually an economy based on something which simply doesn't exist: money which is not there in any physical form. This system just collapsed. So we are re-building it based on something else we can't see; Co2. I truly think there are no coincidences in life. Hans Christian Anderson's tale of The Emperor's Clothes was published in Copenhagen and the new economy based on the great Co2 swindle is being created there as we speak. The Emperor really has no clothes.
And just as an FYI, Google the study/book Political Ponerology for those who are interested in an explanation of the apparent 'evil' which runs such systems as the global economy, and global politics.
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