Say What? (10-16-09)

[popster1]

Perhaps the designers of the LHC are relying too much on computer modeling and not enough on actual observations....?

[Osmosis]

Now I know why they built the LHC underground. When the thing starts destroying itself,as superconducting magnet go normal, at least most of the shrapnel is contained!

[mharratsc]

"The discovery of the Higgs boson is, according to Nielsen and Ninomiya, so antithetical to the future's existence that the future is protecting itself by causing the machines capable of finding the particle to fail or never be built."

Are you ... serious???

That should've made worldwide headlines so that John Q. Public could see the extent of his tax dollars at work.

But ya know- we could probably turn this to the world's advantage. Yeah! Let's get on the bandwagon with them and encourage the idea that- if they continue to spend billions of $$$ on finding the Higgs Boson, then an army of Terminators that all look like Arnold Schwartzeneggar will come through a Time Rift inside the Central Control Room of the LHC and start wiping out humanity!

... then maybe they could spend some of the money saved on some good research work. Or use the money on some humanitarian projects around the world, or something.


Mike H.

[StevenJay]

*Long deep toke* "Hey-y-y-y, ma-a-a-an - like, it's not our fault we can't find stuff - the future just won't let us!" *Big exhale followed by another long toke* "So, like. . . has anybody seen my Twinkies?"

[mharratsc]

Now that's funny, right thar!


Mike H.

[Grey Cloud]

Quiet please, I'm struggling to get my head around this:

"The discovery of the Higgs boson is, according to Nielsen and Ninomiya, so antithetical to the future's existence that the future is protecting itself by causing the machines capable of finding the particle to fail or never be built."

Someone please tell me that this is what passes for humour in the scientific community.

[solrey]

StevenJay, good one...thanks.

Keep the good stuff away from these mathemagicians.
I'll hold onto it for 'em.

Man, I dunno... I think these guys got into Leary's liquid stash or something.
Could the Large Hadron Collider be sabotaging itself from the future, as some physicists say

The LHC, they suggest, may be sabotaging itself from the future — twisting time to generate a series of scientific setbacks that will prevent the machine fulfilling its destiny.

At first sight, this theory fits comfortably into the crackpot tradition linking the start-up of the LHC with terrible disasters. The best known is that the £3 billion particle accelerator might trigger a black hole capable of swallowing the Earth when it gets going. Scientists enjoy laughing at this one.

I'm getting a pretty good laugh going.

This time, however, their ridicule has been rather muted — because the time travel idea has come from two distinguished physicists who have backed it with rigorous mathematics.

Oh, my bad. They've backed it with Rigorous Mathematics.
never mind

What Holger Bech Nielsen, of the Niels Bohr Institute in Copenhagen, and Masao Ninomiya of the Yukawa Institute for Theoretical Physics in Kyoto, are suggesting is that the Higgs boson, the particle that physicists hope to produce with the collider, might be “abhorrent to nature”.

What does that mean? According to Nielsen, it means that the creation of the boson at some point in the future would then ripple backwards through time to put a stop to whatever it was that had created it in the first place.

It's not the particle that's abhorrent to nature, it's these "scientists" that are just plain...abhorrent. Yikes.

What Holger Bech Nielsen, of the Niels Bohr Institute in Copenhagen, and Masao Ninomiya of the Yukawa Institute for Theoretical Physics in Kyoto, are suggesting is that the Higgs boson, the particle that physicists hope to produce with the collider, might be “abhorrent to nature”.

What does that mean? According to Nielsen, it means that the creation of the boson at some point in the future would then ripple backwards through time to put a stop to whatever it was that had created it in the first place.

Nielsen’s idea has been likened to that of a man travelling back through time and killing his own grandfather. “Our theory suggests that any machine trying to make the Higgs shall have bad luck,” he said.

“It is based on mathematics, but you could explain it by saying that God rather hates Higgs particles and attempts to avoid them.”

They had to go there.
What next...they see dead people too?

Nielsen presents them with a dilemma. Should they treat his suggestions as fact or fiction? Most would like to dismiss him, but his status means they have to offer some kind of science-based rebuttal.

Hraaakkkkkhhhhh HakSpit.
Buddy, you all's status ought be in a black hole about now

This weekend, as the interest in his theories continued to grow, Nielsen was sounding more cautious. “We are seriously proposing the idea, but it is an ambitious theory, that’s all,” he said. “We already know it is not very likely to be true. If the LHC actually succeeds in discovering the Higgs boson, I guess we will have to think again.”

And if they don't find this little devil, errr...God particle with a trickster mind of it's own ?...well, I guess they've already written their CYA excuse, eh.

[jjohnson]

"would ripple back in time" with destructive intent or at least consequences? You just can't keep a good scientist out of hydrodynamic effects, even in the time domain, can you? Imagine what time ripples would look like... that's right!!
Just like Gravity Ripples on the LIGO machine look! Or Gravity Boone's Farm. -or Gravity Pinot Noir..... or Gravity Pleiku Gold.
Where was I

[allynh]

This is the video series on Youtube about the LHC:

Brian Cox - The Big Bang Machine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHs7hu9hgKc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxAlLCBbx3M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SzEMtiteU0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwCfGAhq5jw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pxn2iSVrKF0

[StevenJay]

Someone please tell me that this is what passes for humour in the scientific community.

Humour! "Science!" Yes!! Two aspects of the same artist's rendering of a singularity!

We truly are living in a [url2=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwxc_zLH ... r_embedded]cartoon[/url2] !!!

[Tzunamii]

Remember the Super monkey collider.
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/30420

[Osmosis]

I heard that the Super Monkey Collider tunnel was now being used for illicit night crawler races----

[jjohnson]

I think we would all be entertained and left nodding our heads up and down by reading Miles Mathis's article on The Large Hadron Collider. I wish the entire mainstream community of physicists and mathematicians would take his criticisms seriously for once, but I wish that they would do that with our theories as well, and I wish I had more money and time left, too, for all the good that wishes do. Re: string theory and black holes and the Higgs boson

"Try? There is no try. Either do, or do not."

--Yoda

[Lloyd]

Grey CLoud: Quiet please

* Where've you been for the past month, GC?

[jjohnson]

You goes, Girl!