The EM Universe

Beyond the boundaries of established science an avalanche of exotic ideas compete for our attention. Experts tell us that these ideas should not be permitted to take up the time of working scientists, and for the most part they are surely correct. But what about the gems in the rubble pile? By what ground-rules might we bring extraordinary new possibilities to light?

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Re: The EM Universe

Post by GaryN » Thu Nov 08, 2012 12:00 pm

Although I can not find a scientist who will speculate on the maximum possible energies released by a CME from our Sun, the surface materials and physical features found on Earth and other planets and their moons would best be explained by by just such an event. NASA assures us a life ending flare can not be produced by our Sun, but it is admitted that the CME mechanism is far from understood, and their most recent models do not place an upper limit on the magnetic energies that can be injected into the quiescent flux tubes. Flares and CMEs appear to be related, but there is still much uncertainty about the relationship.
Astronomers tell us though that they have observed flares on other stars that are so powerful that an equivalent event on our Sun would be terminal to life on Earth. If CMEs do accompany these events, then I see no reason that such an event could not produce the observed surface materials and features, whereas much speculation and model revising is required to produce those materials and features by impact, tectonics, lava flows, glaciation, wind or water, microbes, etc.

In an E-Mail from Mr Chen at the NRL, he says that in his erupting flux rope (EFR) model, which most closely matches data from SOHO and other instruments, no upper limit is placed on the magnitude of the magnetic energies that inflate the flux tube, as the mechanism for the injection is not understood. He has not, as yet, expressed any opinion on if those energies could reach levels where the planet and moon surfaces could be affected. The catastrophic CME model would appear to be a MAD idea that nobody will go near.
However, if we are to believe that the scientists are seeing what they think they see with their instruments, then stars similar to our Sun have been observed to flare with some stunning energies:

From wiki:
As of 2000, nine superflare stars have been found, some of them similar to our Sun.[1] The energy released during such a flare is 100 times to 10 million times that of the sun's largest coronal mass ejections.
but:
There is no evidence of superflares ever having occurred in the Solar System.
Hmm...
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I suppose it depends what you consider to be evidence?

In this paper, a close in Jovian planet is though to cause tangling of the magnetic fields of star and planet, with magnetic reconnection producing the flare energies.

Are Superflares on Solar Analogues Caused by Extrasolar Planets?

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/nph-b ... 7728728235

I'd consider a pulse in a galactic arm flux tube, where our Sun probably lives, more likely.
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Re: The EM Universe

Post by seasmith » Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:32 pm

Thus, by invoking only known planetary properties and reconnection scenarios, we can explain the energies, durations, and spectra of superflares as well as explain why our Sun does not have such events.
GaryN,

That's a fairly wide claim, have you seen their conclusions? Are they lost in that dark interface between magneto-dielectric domains?
Sounds like they've got the ol' polar axies and spectral~ planes crystallized in their minds, {which i guess you were pointing out 3.6.9.12, in your first couple posts of this thread}; but are struggling with the merge patterns of reflection fields arrays.
In jarvamundo's transistor solid state, those axis can be gate-votage modulated or modulator.


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Re: The EM Universe

Post by GaryN » Wed Nov 21, 2012 1:52 pm

That's a fairly wide claim, have you seen their conclusions?
At least these papers get me to thinking, just as some of your posts do! This one somehow ended up taking me on a whirlwind tour of dozens of sites, leading me off-course, but nearly all of them bringing new insights and understandings, and leading without a doubt to a model of the Sun that is fully electro-magnetic, and a long way removed from the standard, or even other alternative models. Not that my model is fully complete, and may never be provable, but it's looking good!
In jarvamundo's transistor
I was thinking more like a Double Gate Tunneling F.E.T., with a high-k gate dielectric, but that's just a NIAMI guess! Vacuum tunneling here of course. :D
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Re: The EM Universe

Post by GaryN » Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:49 pm

Young stars flare too, so if our Sun is as old as they tell us, then what are the odds of Sol not having undergone at least one, and likely many, mega-flares that could have sputtered, etched, melted, etc, the surfaces of the planets. I think the layering seen on the planets, including the Moon, might best be described as being from thin film deposition, meaning they would have grown during such events.

Flaring Young Stars
http://www.cfa.harvard.edu/news/2010/su201001.html
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Re: The EM Universe

Post by GaryN » Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:40 pm

Research model suggests moons of some planets developed from rings
Space researchers have long proposed that moons circulating planets generally came to exist in one of three ways: as entities that formed on their own as their host was developing, as clumps that coalesced from material shed from a planet struck by some other body, or by being captured as they passed by. In this new research, Charnoz and Crida propose a fourth possibility – that the moons were formed from material in rings that surrounded their host planet.
Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2012-11-moons-planets.html#jCp

The fourth possibility is heading the right way, but they need to go a step further. When a Sun is brought into existence, the released energies are sufficient to form the initial shell of the planets, by way of the Coulomb forces, inside an energetic torus. The silicate dust to form the shells is itself produced within the new Suns environs. A number of tori will exist around the Sun, which is where all the planets are formed. The same then applies to the Moons of the planets, the tori being developed in similar fashion (the planets will develop strong dipole moments, and so tori) withing the magnetosphere of the planets. Surface features such as the layering, craters, melting or etching on the planets and Moons will continue whenever the Sun experiences sufficiently energetic outpourings, mostly by way of changes in EM conditions in the flux tube in which the Sun was born and still resides. Still, good to see they are getting closer. ;-)
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Re: The EM Universe

Post by GaryN » Tue Dec 04, 2012 2:43 pm

Black hole jets might be molded by magnetism
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The exact mechanisms of how this all works aren't precisely known as black holes are notoriously tricky to observe, and one of the more perplexing aspects of the jetting behavior is why they always seem to be aligned with the rotational axis of the actively feeding black hole, as well as perpendicular to the accompanying accretion disk. Now, new research using advanced 3D computer models is supporting the idea that it's the black holes' ramped-up rotation rate combined with plasma's magnetism that's responsible for shaping the jets.
Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2012-12-black-hole ... m.html#jCp

Getting closer, but still no cigar for them. They have to get rid of the super dense matter yet.
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Re: The EM Universe

Post by GaryN » Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:15 pm

Backwards again.

Masers in stellar nurseries
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Although associated with the complex activity of star formation, the role of masers in the building of a new star is thought to be minor (although it is not understood). However masers, because they are so bright, provide valuable diagnostic probes of the regions where star formation is underway. Exactly what they reveal is less clear, but many astronomers have thought that methanol masers can signal the very earliest stages of star formation, perhaps less than about ten thousand years old.
Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2012-12-masers-ste ... s.html#jCp

There is no proof of the 'gas' falling inwards, another backwards assumption. Our Sun expels, conservatively, 100 billion tons of matter every day from the solar wind and CMEs, which supposedly comes from the material that was originally sucked in during the formation of the Sun. The idea that the Sun is somehow creating that matter continuously, even to EU proponents, may seem far fetched, but it fits with what the ancient texts tell us, that Suns were both creators and destroyers of worlds without number. Modern science thinks it knows better, I disagree.
I believe it much more likely that the pinch is an event that is converting energy to matter, as there is no evidence that matter in sufficient quantities may exist within the flux tubes that I believe connect the centres of creation, the Suns.
When a Sun is born, I imagine that the energy released in a big 'flare' was sufficient to create, in a very short period, all the planets and moons of the inner solar system, and probably most of the objects to be found out to the extents of the Oort sphere, the outer limits of the influence of our Sun, which is really our own little Universe, just as the Vedic cosmology tells us.
If 2012 is to be the end of the old way of things, I hope one of those things is the present cosmological model, which seems to have been created in an attempt to keep us all in the dark about the true nature of not only of our physical reality, but perhaps also about our spiritual nature. We, too, are created by the emanations of the Sun, which as well as providing the matter we are composed of, provides, if we know how to tune into it, the full inventory of the information being broadcast throughout the extents of its influence.
An end to all war would be nice too!
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Re: The EM Universe

Post by GaryN » Fri Jan 04, 2013 1:20 pm

Could this be happening between the Sun and Earth, or the Sun and all the planets? My belief that the Sun has multiple magnetic shells might explain the transference of magnetic energy to the Earths interior, which could help explain, by way of the magnetic force reacting with the dielectric properties of the Earths interior layers, resulting in mechanical and electrical forces being generated that might explain some of the presently planetary mysteries such as excess heat generation, or earthquakes that seem to be tied to solar
A general property of magnetic fields is that they decay with the distance from their magnetic source. But in a new study, physicists have shown that surrounding a magnetic source with a magnetic shell can enhance the magnetic field as it moves away from the source, allowing magnetic energy to be transferred to a distant location through empty space. By reversing this technique, the scientists showed that the transferred magnetic energy can be captured by a second magnetic shell located some distance away from the first shell. The second shell can then concentrate the captured magnetic energy into a small interior region. The achievement represents an unprecedented ability to transport and concentrate magnetic energy, and could have applications in the wireless transmission of energy, medical techniques, and other areas.
Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2013-01-magnetic-s ... s.html#jCp
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Re: The EM Universe

Post by sjw40364 » Fri Jan 04, 2013 7:06 pm

Can I ask why this isn't a valid mechanism for heating the earth's interior, and well, everything?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induction_heating

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Re: The EM Universe

Post by GaryN » Sat Jan 05, 2013 11:28 am

Can I ask why this isn't a valid mechanism for heating the earth's interior, and well, everything?
Induction is a relatively short range phenomena, I don't think it would have much effect at the Sun
to Saturn distance say, but perhaps a magnetic coupling of shells could? I think the induction calculations could be done, we know most of the values required. I don't like the remnant heat or helium rain explanations for the excess heat from Jupiter and Saturn, but I don't think induction could do it either, so just fishing for an alternative process.
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Re: The EM Universe

Post by kalensar » Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:07 pm

Here's an article that blew me away today.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 143516.htm

Inducing a negative temperature on the Kelvin scale in the Atom.

It gives a basis for explaining why the Casimir effect happens, at least that is my opinion.

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Re: The EM Universe

Post by Jehovajah » Tue Jan 15, 2013 11:57 am

Ed Leedskalnin's charming theory of electric currents being based on what he called magnetic currents of " magnetic substance " moving vorticularly against each other may give you a different take on things. At least it might squeeze some alternative viewpoints out of that imagination of yours!

I have recently researched and demythologised his work, that is from the mythology others have built round him because of his rock sculptures. His "original" thought process and his simple investigation methods are an elegant utilisation of Newtonian Mechamical principles.

I have witten my speculations in my blog. Google jehovajah Shunya.

In the meantime I will research your ideas because I like them :D

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Re: The EM Universe

Post by Vasa » Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:21 pm

Would the "magnetic substance" be the aether?

I have always been fascinated with Leeskalnin ever since i.read about him in some Unexplained Mysteries book in the 80s. I will have to research your blog if you've got his.secret!

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Re: The EM Universe

Post by Jehovajah » Tue Jan 15, 2013 7:56 pm

The aether is a well respected assumption in the natural philosophers toolbox for building working models of our experiences. Everybody accepted it until the Michelson–Morely experiments cast doubt on it. Instead of burying the results and carrying on regardless, which science is very good at doing, some theoretical physicists decided to ditch the aether. Don Hotson in his 3 articles on the subject of Dirac explains the emotional climate of the scientists at the time. Dirac had virtually restored the " aether " by his formulation, so they searched long and hard to find a way to bury it again.

Einstein valued the aether as did Bohr. The only way Einstein could save the aether concept was to replace it with spacetime. Because it was a so called Mathematical concept, Einstein was able to get it past the gatekeepers! Few , including Einstein, understood the new mathematical models of electric and magnetic phenomena. The Maxwell vortex model , a mechanical model, was mystifying. However the European theoreticians were impressed enough to really study it. Everyone else politely ignored it. Einstein therefore had an advantage the further west he travelled. He could introduce Maxwells ideas to a new audience in his own showboating style! He could rename the vortices in the aether as spacetime! Nobody was clued up enough to realise what he had done in America. Of course back in Europe they still preferred the aether " tool".Tto further obscure what he was doing Einstein travelled back to Europe to Study Under Levi and Ricci so he could formulate his ideas in the most obscure form called Tensor terminology.

Today more and more trained physicists can run through the mathematical hoops of relativity theory and come up with various exact solutions. The value in being able to do this however is not great because these solutions, rather than guaranteeing instant fame and fortune result in some nasty brickbats from other theoretical physicists. It is not the solution it is the reputation that carries sway. Unless you are a " superstar" like Feynman for example , nobody listens.

The fear that this nastiness and mudslinging generates is very real. The propaganda about how science works is a myth as good as the ancient myths but less intelligible! Science is supposed to be a collaborative effort to uncover the " truth" is the propaganda. The reality is it is another mechanism for extracting as Much technological and financial advantage for the few through exploiting the many.

The aether became a useful tool in America and Britain in particular to persecute a certain group of European immigrants. If you do not know how these terms were used to separate out Nazi sympathisers from the Allies you have a lot to learn of how the propaganda and spy war was fought. It worked on both sides of the war. Those who deigned to use the notion of spacetime in Nazi Germany were "Jewish sympathisers!".

The legacy of those days has hardly passed and is the cause for such bitter and vitriolic reaction to those who put forward any type of Aether theory.

However philosophically we have to grow up and understand the modeling we do requires a medium. The name is not important, what is important is to recognise that no one, not even a god can bring something out of nothing. The belief that this is possible is one of the fundamental screw ups introduced in the philosophical theosophical debates of the pre Kantian Era. Of course, I do not deny anyone there right to believe what they want, but as a cultural consensus it is amazing that large sections of society subscribe to this viewpoint without ever challenging it. The very act of thinking about it screws ones mental processing up in painful ways making it possible for one to be manipulated to accept any incongruent and contradictory idea laid before you! On the other hand, accepting that nothing can come from nothing liberates the mind into a truly inquisitive search.

Few even realise that the concept of god creating "ex nihilo" is a relatively modern one accepted in a relatively minuscule part of human culture but propagandised by force of empire on large portions of the continents of the earth. Even worse, those who propagandised it rarely believed it themselves! It was an argument to defeat those who claimed there god was greater, to shut them up by claiming what all acknowledged as an impossibility!

The safeguard for sanity is the fractal paradigm, the scale free almost self similarity of form and action. There are no absolutes, absolutely! Rather there are unending exhausting processes which we willingly cease to carry out declaring " Absolutely no more!" In such a scenario, absolutes are always a choice of faith not factual impossibility. Both myth and fact are creations of the human intellect. The best we can ever do is pragmatic impossibility, and that is always a shifting ground.

Yes it is an aether, or a spacetime or a set of Lagrangian constraints. The purpose is to provide the modelling "clay" to shape a descriptive model of what is observed or hypothesised. Why I like Leedskalnin is he sets it out in a simplistic way to give profound insight. In much the same way Faraday set out his experiments for all to read. I have never read Faradays work. Maxwell had and he spent years thinking about it. Look what he came up with! Ed read widely and in scientific journals but he claims that he spent about 2 years in experimentation in his Rock Gate sculpture garden home. His theoretical model, at a time when the atomic bomb was still top secret stuff, is quite insightful. It showed that any body who takes the time can come up with a reasonable working model. It was only after the war that electromagnetic theory was introduced to the broader public. It is only now that plasma physics is being made more publicly available. Ed saw all the essentials in his 2 years of experimentation, enough to put forward an electromagnetic theory rather than the stratified electric theory.

We must not believe the propaganda. When radar came out during the war it was highly classified. Radio waves were aether effects when they were first discovered and utilised. There was no clear electromagnetic theory despite Maxwells best efforts! Ed proposed one in public while governments were funding military research into it in secret. The age of big money linked to scientific reputation was just beginning. The time when suspicion and ruthlessness was incorporated in the scientific elite was just beginning fuelled by national security concerns, and the problems of espionage. The age of McCarthyism was just beginning http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism. This was not just in America, but all across the allied West. People were made to fear discussing their own empirical data in case it lead to persecution. Scientific persecution was rife, and still is. Feynmann discussed how the "New Boys" we're bullied into shape in his college fraternity. This kind of rough housing was laughed off, but it was serious. Many Americans were put in concentration camps because of their Japanese ethnicity.

It is fashionable to gloss over these things and not to see the historical perspective. The present nastiness and suspicion in online physics forums is an outgrowth of these sentiments. Those that come through it wear it as a badge of honour rather than the disgraceful besmirching of science that it is. Ah but it was ever thus!

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Re: The EM Universe

Post by GaryN » Mon Jan 21, 2013 12:59 pm

Astronomers can tune in to radio auroras to find exoplanets
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Dr Nichols examined how the radio emissions for Jupiter-like exoplanets would be affected by the rotation rate of the planet, the rate of plasma outflow from a moon, the orbital distance of the planet and the ultraviolet (UV) brightness of the parent star. He found that, in many scenarios, exoplanets orbiting UV-bright stars between 1 and 50 Astronomical Units (AU) would generate enough radio power to be detectable from Earth. For the brightest stars and fastest spinning planets, the emissions would be detectable from systems 150 light years away from Earth.
Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2011-04-astronomer ... s.html#jCp

So transverse EM waves must travel through the vacuum you'd think. However, all these results are from Earth based instruments. I wonder what radio telescopes outside of Earths atmosphere would see?
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