The EM Universe

[GaryN]

What are you trying to achieve with your experiment dahlenaz? Despite all the observations, there is still much that is not understood about the rings, so trying to reproduce them, or any small part of them is likely to be frustrating. I disagree (of course!) with a lot of the assumptions they make, like the constant collision of larger particles to produce the very fine particles observed. If the contents of one ring are all at the same potential, they are never going to collide. I prefer a model of the fine dust rising from Saturns atmosphere being aggregated by plasma vortices down to microscopic sizes, and growing through a progression of mechanisms into the Moons. Given sufficient resolution, I think we'd find thousands of tiny objects at each of the thousands of very faint ring boundaries. Sorry, I rant. What are you attempting again?

[dahlenaz]

At this time just trying to understand the behavior of the rings near Daphnis and Pan so i can more clearly
understand the picture of opposing disturbances near Daphnis. No experiments yet but the thought is to set
up flat conductors in concentric rings and then immerse them in a think vapor to watch for discharge
patterns. Just a wild notion though. 3dzp

[GaryN]

... the image i'm pondering.

I'd say the moon is bridging two regions of differing charge. The seemingly spiral regions at each side are where charges are being drawn towards the moon, and the moon is probably growing as layers of dust are deposited in the process. I wonder if these moons don't eventually reach a mass where their inertia allows them to escape the rings, and become the asteroids that head our way, or accumulate in the asteroid belt? Just guessing.

Just a wild notion though.

My favourite type, dahlenaz! I'm sure there are a lot of hard science discoveries that started out that way. Maybe quantum noise in our supercomputer brains? It sure would be nice to have some funding though, and I don't need billion$, but I've got lots of experiments I'd like to try, as no doubt do you and other EUers. Surely there are some sympathetic philanthropists out there somewhere?

[dahlenaz]

I think you are right about the moon drawing charge from the rings.. The opposing directions must be
a key features that has experimental support. We should focus on that. dz

[sjw40364]

I agree that charge is pulling particles in and the object will eventually get bigger as plasma arcs accrete the layers. But I also think the eddies in the rings are caused from turbulence from the magnetic field of the object, its poles tilted (spanning the gap at an angle) so the magnetic force would be perpendicular to the plane of rings, causing those particles to spiral, exactly what magnetic fields do. IMO

[GaryN]

A young star flaunts its X-ray spots in McNeil's Nebula

During outbursts, the infant star illuminating the McNeil Nebula may brighten by 100 times at X-ray energies. In this rendering, magnetic fields drive powerful flows onto the star, creating two hot spots that produce the high-energy emission. Image: NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center

http://phys.org/news/2012-07-young-star ... cneil.html
The video available on this page shows, in my interpretation, the resonant hot spots in the primary torus around an EM 'event', commonly referred to as a star. The surface of the torus develops a high level of charge at those hot spots, sufficient to discharge to the star. As with all stars, matter is being created, not sucked in. Even Saturn has been found to have dust drifting outwards, not inwards, and that dust becomes aggregated in the disks, and then formed into larger objects in the discharge between rings. The dust in the rings is from constant collision of larger objects, they say, but Coulomb repulsion should prevent collisions, so I say, that as usual, they have it all backwards.

[dahlenaz]

Say Gary, Can you elaborate on the idea of creation of matter?

Are there 'no' in-flowing pathways into a star or the like? Might the star and the pinch be the location were
matter coalescence occurs? In physics, can something really be created from nothing?

3dzp

www.para-az.com

[GaryN]

Say Gary, Can you elaborate on the idea of creation of matter?

I'll leave that to Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matter_creation

Are there 'no' in-flowing pathways into a star or the like?

In my model there are, though I believe the flux tube has at its core a longitudinal magnetic field, and that field becomes, at the center of the pinch, a rotating magnetic field.

Might the star and the pinch be the location were matter coalescence occurs?

Thats not my view, and of course I'm not always right , but I imagine the EM energies of the pinch produce the fields needed to confine and accumulate charge to the levels needed for production of the nuclei of the lower elements, up to iron at the inner shell.

In physics, can something really be created from nothing?

I'm not saying it can be created from nothing, only changed from one form to another, endlessly.
That includes an information form.

Information converted to energy

"Nobody thinks of using bits to boil water," he says, "but that would in principle be possible at nanometre scales." And he speculates that molecular processes occurring in nature might already be converting information to energy in some way. "The message is that processes taking place on the nanoscale are completely different from those we are familiar with, and that information is part of that picture."

http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/new ... -to-energy

More madness...
On the subject of "Vanishing space dust baffles scientists"
(http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpB ... f=3&t=6330)
I haven't studied the WISE instruments in detail, but my guess is that they were seeing a Pickering line of singly ionised Helium from Betatron mechanism acceleration in a Van Allen type planetary (I still haven't seen convincing proof that these objects are stars) belt, now at a lower energy level and not producing enough emissions to detect. Perhaps if they check again in a while, they will see it again. That would really puzzle them! "Oh, those rapidly accreted planets must have crashed into each other and turned back to dust", they'd maybe say.

[sjw40364]

They were seeing a plasma torus in glow mode. The currents traveling along the Birkland currents have changed strength and now the torus is no longer operating in glow mode but dark mode.

[GaryN]

@Lloyd, from
http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpB ... 120#p67995

* While Venus still appeared to be part of Saturn, it made an 8-sided star figure on the face of Saturn and sometimes a 16-sided star and other numbers. Something also made a swastika-like formation on Saturn at times, but I don't know if Venus was involved. Saturn also appeared to be a wheel, with 4 spokes, like a cross in a circle. And it had a crescent which rotated around Saturn. At one point, Venus appeared to be a comet that made a circular ring of smoke or plasma around Saturn, making Saturn look like a ball within a circle.

The shapes noted by the ancient observers are far better explained, IMO, by the changing nature of EM structures, particularly the torus. In a time of much more energetic emissions from the Sun, the same one that is still there (but is not so much an object as a purely EM emitter of a wide range of spherical wavefronts), the planetary belts such as the Van Allen would be at much higher energies, producing the resonant hot spots. The number of hot spots would change as the Suns output changed.
Also, much of what was seen was only made possible by Earths atmosphere/ionosphere, and it too would have been subject to changes, making much of what was happening in the Solar system appear much bigger and brighter,hence closer, and probably different colours, form Earths surface. From space, probably nothing looked much different, i.e. there is nothing to see, as all these objects would be emitting at wavelengths not visible to the human eye.
The Earth did i believe tilt over, but not stop or reverse it's rotation, unless mass was somehow switched off so there was no inertia. If the Earth still had mass, then it could not have slowed and reversed in the time frames mentioned, just not possible. By combining a constant rotation and tilt over a short, perhaps 3 day, period, the Earth could survive, and the oceans still have had the inertia to inundate the land. I also imagine that Earths Van Allen belts would have become much more energetic, and have produced the charge levels required for discharging to the Earths surface, as well as appearing as the Ouroboros. If it was not the Sun standing still for 3 days, but a hot spot in the Van Allen belt with a constant position WRT Earth, and outshining all other bodies, then the Earth need not have stopped at all.

At certain energy levels, the torus develops 2 hot spots, represented by the heads, and wings, feathers, legs etc. could have been the surface charge flame-like filaments, again, only visible because of Earths atmosphere. This effect has now been observed. 2 hotspots in a torus, discharging to a surface.

The South Atlantic Anomaly is due to the closeness of the inner Van Allen belt over South America, so just imagine if this torus was much more energetic, sometimes so much so that it could resurface the Earth. No interlopers, no comets striking, no planets moving around like wasps around a nest. The legends just all need the correct EM interpretation, and I'm not saying I have it all correct, but seems more reasonable than some of the theories put forward.
Hotspots in a torus (there are tori 2 back to back, actually) under changing energy levels.

[GaryN]

New Planet Found: Molten "Mars" Is "Right Around the Corner"

UCF-1.01 is about 5,200 miles (8,400 kilometers) wide, making about a quarter the volume of Earth. And with a year that lasts only 1.4 Earth days, the new planet's orbit takes UCF-1.01 searingly close to its star.
"The only thing separating the planet from the star is about seven times the distance between the Earth and the moon," said Stevenson, who noted the probably lacks an atmosphere.
"It could be a thousand degrees Fahrenheit [540 degrees Celsius]. That may be hot enough to make an ocean of molten rock."

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... -stevenson

A 1.4 day orbit? Sounds like they found another moon around a planet.

[GaryN]

The recent finding by NASA that convection on the Sun is much less than previously believed lends support, IMO, to my model of the Sun. Firstly, if the Sun is not as hot as they believe, or even cool, then there would be much less convection. A recently observed solar flare travelling at much higher speed than usual fits in with my model of the Sun as having layers of magnetic shell confinement of the nuclei of the elements from hydrogen to iron, with the outer hydrogen shell having a fairly weak confinement, and iron having the strongest shell. These magnetic shells have been shown to be capable of great physical strength, by way of a mesh of magnetic tension, and also separation of charges to more than 50 GeV per shell.
That would mean, in keeping with the reasoning of Leucippus and Democritus, that an atom (though it is just the nuclei really) originating from closer to the centre of the sun should travel faster than one originating from the outer regions. In the case of this fast CME, I believe we have witnessed the bursting of not the hydrogen shell, but the helium or maybe even carbon shell.
Fast-moving CME blasted from solar surface – July 23, 2012
https://theextinctionprotocol.wordpress ... y-23-2012/
Speed and occurance rate of CME events:
http://vimeo.com/40636294
The extinction of the Mammoths, and the finding of pitting and microscopic iron in their tusks suggests the iron shell burst, and that iron ions bombarded the Earth at extreme speed. The other layers of the Sun would also be afffected, so there would also be the other ions being released. This could then account for much in the way of the catastrophic events, as if there was amongst the turmoil of such an 'explosion', a combining of carbon and hydrogen for the oil that fell from the skies, hydrogen and oxygen for the water for the flooding events which could (if the ice ages were not real) account for the rising sea levels after the last catastrophic event, and the hot rocks reported falling, by combination of silicon, magnesium, oxygen. Difficult for me to predict the diversity of what could have occured. That polar water column idea also comes to mind here. Of course the electrons required for the formation of the atoms would be coming from the earth, thus the great electrical and plasma storms. The isotopes of the elements produced is dependant on the rate of aquisition of electrons by the nuclei.
Fusion layer model of an aged Sun, more likely the confinement shells of most true Suns.

It all makes sense, to me anyway!

[GaryN]

From the 'Impossible' Stars Found in Super-Close Orbital Dances thread http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpB ... f=3&t=6418 I think that the Earth and Moon would appear to be closely orbiting bodies, seen from an appropriate distance, and if so, that would add support to the idea that they have the size and distance and nature of all the other 'stars' they think they are seeing out there.

[GaryN]

Hubble Zooms in on Two Merging Clusters in Tarantula Nebula

NASA’s Hubble Space Telescope has captured an image of two clusters full of massive stars that may be in the early stages of merging.

As long as you believe those are all stars, your model of the Cosmos will never be correct. I won't even consider believing they are until I see proof that our nearest neighbours are stars, never mind objects that are thought to be 170,000 ly away. Harumph.

[GaryN]

Weird Planets

"The presence of a full-fledged planetary system orbiting Kepler-47 is an amazing discovery," says Greg Laughlin, professor of Astrophysics and Planetary Science at the University of California in Santa Cruz. “This is going to change the way we think about the formation of planets.”

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/sc ... rdplanets/
Give us enough time, and we'll develop a new model, write some new algorithms, and with years of supercomputer processing, we'll make that horse rise from the dead, again. In the meantime, keep sending us those big paychecks!