Solar plasma Induces Breathing of Earth’s Atmosphere
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Solar plasma Induces Breathing of Earth’s Atmosphere
Hello,
This link is very interesting reading confirming the Plasma Cosmology
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/ ... breathing/
But it also confirms my idea of Solar gravitational pressure on the satellites (and on the planets in our Solar System) accordingly to more or less plasma outburst from the Sun.
Gravitational conditions in our Solar System:
1 Solar push outwards in the Solar System.
2. Galactic push outwards from the Milky Way center.
These 2 pushing forces balances relatively the planets in our Solar System - sometimes pushing in the same direction and sometime in opposite directions accordingly the location of a planet in its Solar orbit - creating the eliptic orbit plane of the planets.
This link is very interesting reading confirming the Plasma Cosmology
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/ ... breathing/
But it also confirms my idea of Solar gravitational pressure on the satellites (and on the planets in our Solar System) accordingly to more or less plasma outburst from the Sun.
Gravitational conditions in our Solar System:
1 Solar push outwards in the Solar System.
2. Galactic push outwards from the Milky Way center.
These 2 pushing forces balances relatively the planets in our Solar System - sometimes pushing in the same direction and sometime in opposite directions accordingly the location of a planet in its Solar orbit - creating the eliptic orbit plane of the planets.
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Re: Solar plasma Induces Breathing of Earth’s Atmosphere
That should read "challenges the solar physics model"..."What’s going on in the solar side is indeed mysterious and challenges the solar physics understanding," said Stan Solomon, a scientist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research who was not involved in the research.
However, they ARE getting better- they did state that it was the solar plasma (not wind) that was causing the changes in the Earth's atmosphere. However, they had to keep a foot firmly planted in mainstream, so they said that the plasma was "heating" the atmosphere (causing the expansion and contraction)...
Ahh well- progress is progress, however slow. :\
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Re: Solar plasma Induces Breathing of Earth’s Atmosphere
Though not directly related, I also ran across this from links leaving the main article:
(Solar outburst pulls a magnetic slingshot)
http://www.esa.int/esaSC/SEMG6I63R8F_index_0.html

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(Solar outburst pulls a magnetic slingshot)
http://www.esa.int/esaSC/SEMG6I63R8F_index_0.html
So far it was thought that the detection of accelerated matter on the side of the magnetosphere is the sign of the occurrence of magnetic reconnection, a process by which terrestrial and solar magnetic fields interact. But the new study tells a different story. It shows that matter can be accelerated by a mechanism other than magnetic reconnection.
This sort of acceleration has been observed in the past with or without the presence of a CME. Usually, it is a sign of magnetic reconnection, but on 25 November 2001, this was not the case.
Wow, scientists can think outside the box! But only when real-world data unambiguously contradicts their models......As the CME reached Earth, solar wind magnetic field lines got stuck in the front of the magnetosphere, before sliding sideways and accelerating plasma like a ‘magnetic slingshot’.
“We have unambiguous proof that the strong plasma acceleration observed on 25 November 2001 by Cluster was not the result of magnetic reconnection, but because of conditions created by the CME”, said Dr Lavraud, lead author at Los Alamos National Laboratory, USA.
The presence of such high-speed flows has consequences on the interaction between the solar wind and the magnetosphere. It may increase wavy or viscous interactions at magnetospheric boundaries and lead to giant, spiral auroral features, as reported early this year by Lisa Rosenqvist from the Swedish Institute of Space Physics, Uppsala, Sweden.
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Re: Solar plasma Induces Breathing of Earth’s Atmosphere
And is this model incorrect? Maybe they're right, maybe they're not.mharratsc wrote:However, they had to keep a foot firmly planted in mainstream, so they said that the plasma was "heating" the atmosphere (causing the expansion and contraction)...
Did they mention by what MECHANISM the atmosphere was being heated to cause the 'breathing'? Could it be something like Joule heating?
Just a thought.
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Re: Solar plasma Induces Breathing of Earth’s Atmosphere
Here's a fuller list of articles. Wonder if any of them go into more specifics?
(Breathing Cycles in Earth's Upper Atmosphere Linked to Solar Wind Disturbances, Says CU Study)
http://www.colorado.edu/news/r/32abc3f1 ... 63d5d.html
http://cires.colorado.edu/news/press/20 ... rWind.html
(Earth's atmosphere breathes in and out)
http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/news/2433 ... es-and-out
(Earth's Atmosphere "Breathes" More Rapidly Than Thought)
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/0 ... phere.html
(Breathing cycles in Earth's upper atmosphere tied to solar wind disturbances)
http://www.physorg.com/news148584220.html
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 184317.htm
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(Breathing Cycles in Earth's Upper Atmosphere Linked to Solar Wind Disturbances, Says CU Study)
http://www.colorado.edu/news/r/32abc3f1 ... 63d5d.html
http://cires.colorado.edu/news/press/20 ... rWind.html
(Earth's atmosphere breathes in and out)
http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/news/2433 ... es-and-out
(Earth's Atmosphere "Breathes" More Rapidly Than Thought)
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/0 ... phere.html
(Breathing cycles in Earth's upper atmosphere tied to solar wind disturbances)
http://www.physorg.com/news148584220.html
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 184317.htm
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Re: Solar plasma Induces Breathing of Earth’s Atmosphere
As near as I can tell everything expands and contracts, with rhythmic cycles, everything.
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Re: Solar plasma Induces Breathing of Earth’s Atmosphere
And... Tada!
Doing a little research, I've managed to track down the related paper by Jeff Thayer.
(Rotating solar coronal holes and periodic modulation of the upper atmosphere)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2008GeoRL..3510109L
Sadly, not free, as they just link to the AGU site. Never fear, though, as clicking the "Electronic Refereed Journal Article (HTML)" link listed several links, one of which pointed to a nonfunctional PDF address. But managed to google the PDF name and find it available "free & clear" here:
(Rotating solar coronal holes and periodic modulation of the upper atmosphere)
http://ccar.colorado.edu/muri/2008GL033875.pdf
(NADIR: Neutral Atmosphere Density Interdisciplinary Research)
http://ccar.colorado.edu/muri/publications.htm
(Periodic modulations in thermospheric composition by solar wind high speed streams)
http://ccar.colorado.edu/muri/2008GL035745.pdf
(Ionosphere response to solar wind high-speed streams)
http://ccar.colorado.edu/muri/2008GL035208.pdf
(Thermospheric density oscillations due to periodic solar wind highspeed streams)
http://ccar.colorado.edu/muri/2008JA013190.pdf
(Global thermospheric density variations caused by high-speed solar wind streams during the declining phase of solar cycle 23)
http://ccar.colorado.edu/muri/2008JA013433.pdf
(The thermospheric semiannual density response to solar EUV heating)
http://ccar.colorado.edu/muri/JASTP_Bow ... e_2008.pdf
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Doing a little research, I've managed to track down the related paper by Jeff Thayer.
(Rotating solar coronal holes and periodic modulation of the upper atmosphere)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2008GeoRL..3510109L
Sadly, not free, as they just link to the AGU site. Never fear, though, as clicking the "Electronic Refereed Journal Article (HTML)" link listed several links, one of which pointed to a nonfunctional PDF address. But managed to google the PDF name and find it available "free & clear" here:
(Rotating solar coronal holes and periodic modulation of the upper atmosphere)
http://ccar.colorado.edu/muri/2008GL033875.pdf
We report discovery of a solar-terrestrial connection between rotating solar coronal holes and density variations in Earth’s thermosphere. Specifically, during 2005, a 9-day recurrence of fast streams in the solar wind exists due to solar coronal holes distributed roughly 120 degrees apart in longitude; this periodicity is transmitted to the geospace environment where it modulates geomagnetic activity and thermospheric densities derived from accelerometer measurements on the CHAMP satellite. Our discovery demonstrates a solar-terrestrial connection that has not been appreciated before, and by its nature is characterized by an element of predictability. Its potential predictability has practical relevance for collision avoidance and other applications affected by density variability in the terrestrial space environment.
Going one step further, I've even managed to track down a more extensive list of papers here:The strong correlation between solar wind speed, geomagnetic activity and thermosphere density at a 9-day period is a new discovery in thermosphere physics and warrants further investigation.
(NADIR: Neutral Atmosphere Density Interdisciplinary Research)
http://ccar.colorado.edu/muri/publications.htm
(Periodic modulations in thermospheric composition by solar wind high speed streams)
http://ccar.colorado.edu/muri/2008GL035745.pdf
(Ionosphere response to solar wind high-speed streams)
http://ccar.colorado.edu/muri/2008GL035208.pdf
(Thermospheric density oscillations due to periodic solar wind highspeed streams)
http://ccar.colorado.edu/muri/2008JA013190.pdf
(Global thermospheric density variations caused by high-speed solar wind streams during the declining phase of solar cycle 23)
http://ccar.colorado.edu/muri/2008JA013433.pdf
(The thermospheric semiannual density response to solar EUV heating)
http://ccar.colorado.edu/muri/JASTP_Bow ... e_2008.pdf
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Re: Solar plasma Induces Breathing of Earth’s Atmosphere
Another indirectly related bit is this poster presentation on atmospheric Joule heating during an intense geomagnetic storm.
Can a similar but weaker process [than a geomagnetic storm] play a role in the "breathing" of the atmosphere aforementioned, due to 'fast streams' in the 'solar wind' originating at the polar coronal holes? IE, do these qualify as currents within the solar wind? If so, do the currents engage the Earth's atmosphere in Joule heating? Albeit not as powerfully as in the case of a geomagnetic storm, where particle densities are much enhanced...
Just a question. Don't know the answer...
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I know one or two others here have suggested Joule heating as a contributory factor to atmospheric goings on...Conclusions:
The increased proton flux of MeV energies from the Halloween Storm caused electron densities in the mesosphere to exceed 100 times their typical value. Higher electron density combined with an enhanced electric field causes mesospheric Joule heating to become a dominant term in the energy balance, and making up nearly 30% of the total mesospheric heating rate. The enhanced electric field may not always be present in the case of a large proton flux. However, when present, its high-latitude distribution can enhance currents in the polar cap mesosphere.
The rapid change of heating and cooling terms with altitude in the mesosphere creates a large variability in the relative contribution of the joule heating rate to the total energy balance of the mesosphere.
Can a similar but weaker process [than a geomagnetic storm] play a role in the "breathing" of the atmosphere aforementioned, due to 'fast streams' in the 'solar wind' originating at the polar coronal holes? IE, do these qualify as currents within the solar wind? If so, do the currents engage the Earth's atmosphere in Joule heating? Albeit not as powerfully as in the case of a geomagnetic storm, where particle densities are much enhanced...
Just a question. Don't know the answer...
Best,
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Hi from Ivar,
Thanks for your replies and links.
Besides the below ponderings and wonderings, the Earth seemingly also have 1/2 seasonal rhythm of opening and closing the Ozone hole on both Earth hemispheres "breathing in and out".
Some quotes from:
http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/news/2433 ... es-and-out
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For some time I´ve been mythological and astro-biophysical interested in finding some connections between the Solar rhythms and some possible connections to the human growht and spiritual devellopment.
ad 1. The Solar rhythm of the 11 (10.8) year and full cycle of 21.6 year correlates very much to the human growht of 10.8 year to the female matureness of menstruation and the male matureness of producing seamens. For both parts, the full Solar cycle of 21.6 year correlates very fine with the full physical matureness.
-Many Native ritual systems could very well be founded accordingly the Solar rhythms, just think of the ritual of "the Sundance". Look here http://www.native-science.net/Religion.Sun.htm and read of some native human growht systems.
ad 2. It is said that the female menstruation cycle is connected to the Lunar cycle, but this fits very better to the Solar rhythm of the 27 days as it is the Sun that creates life on the Earth in the first place.
ad 3. The 9 day solar cycle could mythological be very interesting. In Norse Mythology we have a telling of a Golden Ring "Draupnir" that "every nine days drips similar golden drops" which of course in the first hand is just a peculiar coincidence, but that´s what I was thinking of when reading of this 9 day solar cycle.
NB: Really, I don´t think it is irrelevant to compare the EU and PC with the biology, psychology and the mythology of the human being - after all, we are all made of "the starry stuff", right?
All the Best from Ivar
Thanks for your replies and links.
Besides the below ponderings and wonderings, the Earth seemingly also have 1/2 seasonal rhythm of opening and closing the Ozone hole on both Earth hemispheres "breathing in and out".
Some quotes from:
http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/news/2433 ... es-and-out
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2.Scientists have long known that the Earth's atmosphere changes in response to solar fluctuations - but previously it was thought that these fluctuations occurred in cycles of 11 years, 27 days and 24 hours, corresponding to the sunspot cycle and the rotation of the Sun and Earth.
3.The changes are the result of holes in the Sun's corona (or atmosphere), through which the solar wind blasts at higher speeds than normal. With each revolution of the Sun, the wind jetting from these holes washes across the Earth. "Think about a searchlight [beam] rotating in 27 days," said Jeffrey Thayer, an aerospace engineer at the University of Colorado in Boulder. "If you have one [beam] you'd see it every 27 days. If you had three, equally distributed, you would see a bright light every nine days. That's essentially what we're seeing here.
Excuse me for taking an PC/EU astray path for a while.Marty Mlynczak of the U.S. space agency NASA's Langley Research Centre, in Virginia, was part of the team that looked at the pattern of fluctuations in the Earth's upper atmosphere's temperature. The nine-day cycle discovered there, he said, links three evenly spaced coronal holes.
"[If] they are 120 degrees apart, [then] every 9 days one comes along and bathes the Earth with high speed solar wind," Mlynczak said.
For some time I´ve been mythological and astro-biophysical interested in finding some connections between the Solar rhythms and some possible connections to the human growht and spiritual devellopment.
ad 1. The Solar rhythm of the 11 (10.8) year and full cycle of 21.6 year correlates very much to the human growht of 10.8 year to the female matureness of menstruation and the male matureness of producing seamens. For both parts, the full Solar cycle of 21.6 year correlates very fine with the full physical matureness.
-Many Native ritual systems could very well be founded accordingly the Solar rhythms, just think of the ritual of "the Sundance". Look here http://www.native-science.net/Religion.Sun.htm and read of some native human growht systems.
ad 2. It is said that the female menstruation cycle is connected to the Lunar cycle, but this fits very better to the Solar rhythm of the 27 days as it is the Sun that creates life on the Earth in the first place.
ad 3. The 9 day solar cycle could mythological be very interesting. In Norse Mythology we have a telling of a Golden Ring "Draupnir" that "every nine days drips similar golden drops" which of course in the first hand is just a peculiar coincidence, but that´s what I was thinking of when reading of this 9 day solar cycle.
NB: Really, I don´t think it is irrelevant to compare the EU and PC with the biology, psychology and the mythology of the human being - after all, we are all made of "the starry stuff", right?
All the Best from Ivar
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Re: Solar plasma Induces Breathing of Earth’s Atmosphere
@Michael - take it easy, you make my native intuition goes bananas . . .
Research well done!
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Research well done!
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Re: Solar plasma Induces Breathing of Earth’s Atmosphere
I have been watching these dials (http://space.rice.edu/ISTP/justdials.html) more closely over the last month, as we have had some very strange weather here, leaving our local weather forcaster with egg on her face 4 times now. In each case, the mostly electrical events have coincided exactly with a 4 to 5 day delay after a deep southerly aligned IMF, the 'crack' opening direction. Also, the proton flux dials have been flatlined on numerous occasions, and I am now going to see if I can correlate the proton information with the direction of the lightning discharges. We have had some serious injuries from ground-to-atmosphere events, and one girl who was unharmed told of a lightning ball coming out of her chest, floating around the picnic table and then zig-zagging away before just vanishing.
Anyway, what I'm thinking is that the atmosphere is being charged or discharged wrt earth potential, depending on the solar wind at the time of the southerly IMF.
Anyway, what I'm thinking is that the atmosphere is being charged or discharged wrt earth potential, depending on the solar wind at the time of the southerly IMF.
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Re: Solar plasma Induces Breathing of Earth’s Atmosphere
SpaceTravellor wrote:
~ Here's one rotating form which may present an acute directional vector every 120 degrees of rotation:

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The nine-day cycle discovered there, he said, links three evenly spaced coronal holes.
"[If] they are 120 degrees apart, [then] every 9 days one comes along and bathes the Earth with high speed solar wind," Mlynczak said.
~ Here's one rotating form which may present an acute directional vector every 120 degrees of rotation:

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Re: Solar plasma Induces Breathing of Earth’s Atmosphere
So, then if one uses the formula B = R * (S/360)Marty Mlynczak of the U.S. space agency NASA's Langley Research Centre, in Virginia, was part of the team that looked at the pattern of fluctuations in the Earth's upper atmosphere's temperature. The nine-day cycle discovered there, he said, links three evenly spaced coronal holes.
"[If] they are 120 degrees apart, [then] every 9 days one comes along and bathes the Earth with high speed solar wind," Mlynczak said.
B = the "breathing" interval
R = the solar rotation interval (27; a constant, more-or-less)
S = spacing of coronal holes (in degrees)
one can calculate how far apart coronal holes wold have to be to achieve the 5, 7, 9 day periodicity of Earth's atmospheric breathing.
For a 9-day period, they'd have to be 120 degrees apart and there would be 3 of them.
For a 7 day period, it would be more like 90 degrees apart and 4 of them.
For a 5-day period, it would be between 60 -72 degrees apart and between 5 & 6 of them.
Obviously, reality is messier. ;o]
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Re: Solar plasma Induces Breathing of Earth’s Atmosphere
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