A SPIRITUAL ELECTRIC UNIVERSE?
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A SPIRITUAL ELECTRIC UNIVERSE?
1. This TOPIC is an attempt to give the human intuition and mind some more scientifically weight and credit.
2. It is very often said by astrophysics and cosmologists that humans and everything else on Earth and in the Universe are made of cosmic rays and dust.
3. Being a living creature here on Earth made by these universal rays and of the sufficient amount of universal dust, is it then maybe possible for a human to be aware of the causes that have created us?
4. Is it possible for the human brain/mind/soul/spirit to correspond to the creation in the Electric Universe? Rays to rays and matter to matter, so to speak?
5. What does for instants the revelations in the Bible and other texts and mythological telling really mean? What did it mean for those who got these revelations? And how did it happen?
6. Maybe the EU-Cosmology also could/should contain a Spiritual Department? (Not on the Underground department of New Insight and Mad ideas, but on the front page?).
7. Warning: This is a Wikipedia Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revelation - but we have to start off somewhere . . . “Revelation is the act of revealing or disclosing, or making something obvious and clearly understood through active or passive communication with the divine” - i.e. in this case: Via the Electric Universe Rays/Forces. (Read more specifics on the link).
8. Could/can it really be the case, that the human mind/intuition can “speak directly or indirectly with the creation” and get some creditable; reckognizable and usefull informations out of such a communication?
9. "The Ancient people" is said to have learned a lot from "their gods and goddeses". If so, does this still comply to the modern way of living?
- I’m sure there must be many “out there” who have experienced something with their intuitive mindset or have some meaning of these issues.
Let’s get this show going and see where it takes us.
Speak out of anything what comes to mind . . . intuitively or speculatively.
NB: Besides some general EU-referrings, please keep the tread as strict as possible.
2. It is very often said by astrophysics and cosmologists that humans and everything else on Earth and in the Universe are made of cosmic rays and dust.
3. Being a living creature here on Earth made by these universal rays and of the sufficient amount of universal dust, is it then maybe possible for a human to be aware of the causes that have created us?
4. Is it possible for the human brain/mind/soul/spirit to correspond to the creation in the Electric Universe? Rays to rays and matter to matter, so to speak?
5. What does for instants the revelations in the Bible and other texts and mythological telling really mean? What did it mean for those who got these revelations? And how did it happen?
6. Maybe the EU-Cosmology also could/should contain a Spiritual Department? (Not on the Underground department of New Insight and Mad ideas, but on the front page?).
7. Warning: This is a Wikipedia Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revelation - but we have to start off somewhere . . . “Revelation is the act of revealing or disclosing, or making something obvious and clearly understood through active or passive communication with the divine” - i.e. in this case: Via the Electric Universe Rays/Forces. (Read more specifics on the link).
8. Could/can it really be the case, that the human mind/intuition can “speak directly or indirectly with the creation” and get some creditable; reckognizable and usefull informations out of such a communication?
9. "The Ancient people" is said to have learned a lot from "their gods and goddeses". If so, does this still comply to the modern way of living?
- I’m sure there must be many “out there” who have experienced something with their intuitive mindset or have some meaning of these issues.
Let’s get this show going and see where it takes us.
Speak out of anything what comes to mind . . . intuitively or speculatively.
NB: Besides some general EU-referrings, please keep the tread as strict as possible.
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Orlando
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Re: A SPIRITUAL ELECTRIC UNIVERSE?
Nice topic, many have different defenitions as to what constitutes spirituality, divinity etc..
So for me it is merely achieving a State of awareness that is tuned to the rythmic dance of Nature.
I see the five senses as input receptive apparatus.
I see the chemical/elemental body that is vibrant and resonating with our Nature as the whole,
Individuated by these sensory devices.
I also see Emotion as a state of Feeling/Expression sense perception
that directs/interprets the five sensory inputs as a survival mechanism,
maybe this is the only visible difference between the human creature and other life forms on this planet?
Our emotional states, or better yet the developing of the cumalative effects of all our senses.
Using all our sensory inputs, for those in tune with them, will bring about a pattern recognition form of thinking , to which we can say that thinking is the accumulated analytical sense perception to which all the other sensory input devices collect data for.
We see, hear, smell, touch and taste not with the apparatus but with our mind,
we come to realizations about what we think is real and what is, based on this capacity which differs in intensity with each individual.
So we can clearly see that our Mind focus raises questions when dealing with our life experience due to the disconnection we feel, while at the same time knowing Intuitively that all is one .
No matter how diligent one articulates the joy or the taste of biting an apple, one can never know the feeling of the act of eating it unless they experience for themselves, fullfilling all their senses with the reality of it.
Life is motion, Life is doing, the mind in all things thinks, where it is shelled moves, one recieve/transmits, the other acts on this thinking, the mind in each, resonating to the whole, the "Body" to its shell( immediate environment), it is at this juncture where the longing( emotional awareness of the in-sensible)to grasp the what? originates, some more aware of this than others, some act to this state, some react to its emotional strangle hold, no proof of anything , but an overwhelming resonance with it at our very core.
Is the one mind the soul?
Or does it matter what terms we use to come to the same meanings?
This to me is what our spirit is, the electrified breath, the Plasma of Life!
after all, does thinking and feeling produce chemical changes in our body
or does this Spirit mind(soul) use these chemical reactions to Animate us?
I prefer the latter, and each day striving for a mindset that gives me these feelings, some call it happiness.
I term it the discipline to feel and think as Nature does.
We can't see Electricity or Magnetism, but we can study its effects, the Ancients did
and have preserved it in Symbols.
Studying is a sense perception discipline
we should Re-learn how to use it.
Peace
Or
So for me it is merely achieving a State of awareness that is tuned to the rythmic dance of Nature.
I see the five senses as input receptive apparatus.
I see the chemical/elemental body that is vibrant and resonating with our Nature as the whole,
Individuated by these sensory devices.
I also see Emotion as a state of Feeling/Expression sense perception
that directs/interprets the five sensory inputs as a survival mechanism,
maybe this is the only visible difference between the human creature and other life forms on this planet?
Our emotional states, or better yet the developing of the cumalative effects of all our senses.
Using all our sensory inputs, for those in tune with them, will bring about a pattern recognition form of thinking , to which we can say that thinking is the accumulated analytical sense perception to which all the other sensory input devices collect data for.
We see, hear, smell, touch and taste not with the apparatus but with our mind,
we come to realizations about what we think is real and what is, based on this capacity which differs in intensity with each individual.
So we can clearly see that our Mind focus raises questions when dealing with our life experience due to the disconnection we feel, while at the same time knowing Intuitively that all is one .
No matter how diligent one articulates the joy or the taste of biting an apple, one can never know the feeling of the act of eating it unless they experience for themselves, fullfilling all their senses with the reality of it.
Life is motion, Life is doing, the mind in all things thinks, where it is shelled moves, one recieve/transmits, the other acts on this thinking, the mind in each, resonating to the whole, the "Body" to its shell( immediate environment), it is at this juncture where the longing( emotional awareness of the in-sensible)to grasp the what? originates, some more aware of this than others, some act to this state, some react to its emotional strangle hold, no proof of anything , but an overwhelming resonance with it at our very core.
Is the one mind the soul?
Or does it matter what terms we use to come to the same meanings?
This to me is what our spirit is, the electrified breath, the Plasma of Life!
after all, does thinking and feeling produce chemical changes in our body
or does this Spirit mind(soul) use these chemical reactions to Animate us?
I prefer the latter, and each day striving for a mindset that gives me these feelings, some call it happiness.
I term it the discipline to feel and think as Nature does.
We can't see Electricity or Magnetism, but we can study its effects, the Ancients did
and have preserved it in Symbols.
Studying is a sense perception discipline
we should Re-learn how to use it.
Peace
Or
Teach me a fact and I'll learn; Tell me the truth and I'll Believe;
Tell me a Story and it will live in my Heart forever--
Native American Proverb
Tell me a Story and it will live in my Heart forever--
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Re: A SPIRITUAL ELECTRIC UNIVERSE?
Very interesting you should initiate this thread. Last night I decided to try and put into words an experience I had some time ago, where towards the end of a meditation session, I felt I had experienced a communion with the Sun! I was hoping it would be a fairly quick endeavour, but it just keeps growing, and I don't know how long it may take to complete.
In brief, it incorporates the current pinch, vortex, monopole, dipole and quadrupole fields, cavity resonance and standing waves as the creators of matter, and an induced rotating magnetic field that opens up the source of radiance, which is the information component that modifies matter, by way of the phase modulated neutrino.The elite of the ancients were aware of the function of the sun, but the truth was hidden by those claiming to be Gods earthly representatives. The Catholic church is quite aware of the reality, and rubs it in our face. It will be interesting to see what others post, but I expect many NIAMI.

In brief, it incorporates the current pinch, vortex, monopole, dipole and quadrupole fields, cavity resonance and standing waves as the creators of matter, and an induced rotating magnetic field that opens up the source of radiance, which is the information component that modifies matter, by way of the phase modulated neutrino.The elite of the ancients were aware of the function of the sun, but the truth was hidden by those claiming to be Gods earthly representatives. The Catholic church is quite aware of the reality, and rubs it in our face. It will be interesting to see what others post, but I expect many NIAMI.

In order to change an existing paradigm you do not struggle to try and change the problematic model. You create a new model and make the old one obsolete. -Buckminster Fuller
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Re: A SPIRITUAL ELECTRIC UNIVERSE?
Hi Orlando,
Welcome on board - and thanks for your post!
I can also - strangly enough - even hear electricity. 1-2 days before a significant weather system changes to low pressure, I get a week high pitch tune in my right ear and I really don´t need weather forecasts. Unfortunately I also get some minor paineffects in joints and muscles - and my intellectual concentration declines under such a period.
But maybe humans have other senses beside the 5 physical senses? Maybe even senses that we really share with the animals - who really are in sync with nature?
Welcome on board - and thanks for your post!
Yes, I think too that this is the basical way of getting in sync with "everything out there - and everything in there".So for me it is merely achieving a State of awareness that is tuned to the rythmic dance of Nature.
Definately a survival mechanisme - but maybe there is not a big difference between human and animal suvival mechanism? What do the Native people mean by calling animals brothers and sisters? Is there more to this statement than meets the eyes and ears?I also see Emotion as a state of Feeling/Expression sense perception that directs/interprets the five sensory inputs as a survival mechanism, maybe this is the only visible difference between the human creature and other life forms on this planet?
- I too can´t see electricity going inside a wire, but I can physically observe it from the Sun and see the electrical effect on the Auroras.We can't see Electricity or Magnetism, but we can study its effects, the Ancients did
and have preserved it in Symbols. Studying is a sense perception discipline we should Re-learn how to use it.
I can also - strangly enough - even hear electricity. 1-2 days before a significant weather system changes to low pressure, I get a week high pitch tune in my right ear and I really don´t need weather forecasts. Unfortunately I also get some minor paineffects in joints and muscles - and my intellectual concentration declines under such a period.
But maybe humans have other senses beside the 5 physical senses? Maybe even senses that we really share with the animals - who really are in sync with nature?
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Re: A SPIRITUAL ELECTRIC UNIVERSE?
Hello GaryN,
Welcome and thanks for your reply!
Did we hit a sync here? You have certainly something going on here! Have you practiced meditation for some time? With a direct purpose or just for the relaxing part?
- Gary, it is of course a very personal question, but if you want to tell us if you can see a purpose for your inspirations, that would be very interesting.
- I don´t know if you can find - or need - any further information for the intuitive way, but feel very welcome to my site here: http://www.native-science.net
Welcome and thanks for your reply!
Did we hit a sync here? You have certainly something going on here! Have you practiced meditation for some time? With a direct purpose or just for the relaxing part?
"I was hoping it would be fairly quick" - because of the strong energy involved?I felt I had experienced a communion with the Sun! I was hoping it would be a fairly quick endeavour, but it just keeps growing, and I don't know how long it may take to complete.
My guess is, that it can go on as long as you can bear it - or until you have gathered "all" the information it is supposed you shall have.. . .and I don't know how long it may take to complete
Gary, am I right, assuming that you have a certain amount of scientifically approaches? Vortices plays a big role in the ancient mythology and can be observed in many cultural images om ceramics and Rock Art symbols. http://www.native-science.net/MilkyWay.Spiral.htmIn brief, it incorporates the current pinch, vortex, monopole, dipole and quadrupole fields, cavity resonance and standing waves as the creators of matter, and an induced rotating magnetic field that opens up the source of radiance, which is the information component that modifies matter, by way of the phase modulated neutrino.
I´ll second that a long part of the way - but maybe the Native knowledge also slowly disappered and become more and more materialized as the industrial world took over more and more? (Of course, much disppeared via colonisation)The elite of the ancients were aware of the function of the sun, but the truth was hidden by those claiming to be Gods earthly representatives.
- Gary, it is of course a very personal question, but if you want to tell us if you can see a purpose for your inspirations, that would be very interesting.
- I don´t know if you can find - or need - any further information for the intuitive way, but feel very welcome to my site here: http://www.native-science.net
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mague
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Re: A SPIRITUAL ELECTRIC UNIVERSE?
Hello,
there cant be any real progress unless science is adopting spirit. There cant be a unifiedy theory without unification. It has to integrate spirit or it wont be complete.
EU theorists look up and see the great electricity. Those with spirit in their view of world look up and see the great spirit (as well).
Brahma has four heads, he is not a trinity. Its matter, logos, emotion and spirit. Earth, air, water and fire. Current science has problems to deal with emotions and definetely cant handle spirit.
Dont have high hopes. The consequences of the unified theory are just to huge. Many individuals and a huge part of our civilisations cant handle it. Remember, it will have impact on how we look at food, health care and other basics. Thats why it doesnt happen soon(ish) unless forced by an external event. Those events are usually of destructive nature. It may require a massive shockwave to make ego drop its beloved but useless items.
We have two basic religious patterns on earth. Those who wait for the return of a god/hero/messiah/savior and those who think god never left. Personally i prefer the later one.
What sort of informations do you seek ? Let say you talk to a tree and ask him about the secrets of photosysntesis. And he askes you why you want to know. Depending on your answer he will tell you or refuses to answer.
We usually deal with one "god" or a rather clear pantheon. But japanese Shinto deals with tens of thousand Kami for example. It may be impossible to know them all and therefor requires a different approach. In one point we may all agree, the universe is huge.
there cant be any real progress unless science is adopting spirit. There cant be a unifiedy theory without unification. It has to integrate spirit or it wont be complete.
EU theorists look up and see the great electricity. Those with spirit in their view of world look up and see the great spirit (as well).
Brahma has four heads, he is not a trinity. Its matter, logos, emotion and spirit. Earth, air, water and fire. Current science has problems to deal with emotions and definetely cant handle spirit.
Dont have high hopes. The consequences of the unified theory are just to huge. Many individuals and a huge part of our civilisations cant handle it. Remember, it will have impact on how we look at food, health care and other basics. Thats why it doesnt happen soon(ish) unless forced by an external event. Those events are usually of destructive nature. It may require a massive shockwave to make ego drop its beloved but useless items.
Revelation is the wrong concept. The concept of relevation induces the idea that "being stupid" is default and that we have to search for answers to relevate truth and to become one (more or less) with the divine powers. The imho better concept is, that we have been born "within the devine", we never left the divine and we are still with the devine. There is no need to find revelations, there is need to get rid of items blocking our view. There is nothing to reveal, but there is a lot to distract you from your natural divine state.SpaceTravellor wrote: Revelation is the act of revealing or disclosing, or making something obvious and clearly understood through active or passive communication with the divine” - i.e. in this case: Via the Electric Universe Rays/Forces.
We have two basic religious patterns on earth. Those who wait for the return of a god/hero/messiah/savior and those who think god never left. Personally i prefer the later one.
Can a fish swim in the ocean and not be connected to the oceans waves, streams and vibrations ? He is one with the vibrating ocean by birth. That wont change unless the fish starts to think he is a parrott...SpaceTravellor wrote: 8. Could/can it really be the case, that the human mind/intuition can “speak directly or indirectly with the creation” and get some creditable; reckognizable and usefull informations out of such a communication?
What sort of informations do you seek ? Let say you talk to a tree and ask him about the secrets of photosysntesis. And he askes you why you want to know. Depending on your answer he will tell you or refuses to answer.
Yes and no. Spiritual beings still teach/influence people. There are some almost unknown entities caring for small groups of people in a rather positive way. Other entities do not have such positive influence but followers as well. Its basically still square one; the question about how to deal with the different spiritual beings.SpaceTravellor wrote: 9. "The Ancient people" is said to have learned a lot from "their gods and goddeses". If so, does this still comply to the modern way of living?
We usually deal with one "god" or a rather clear pantheon. But japanese Shinto deals with tens of thousand Kami for example. It may be impossible to know them all and therefor requires a different approach. In one point we may all agree, the universe is huge.
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Re: A SPIRITUAL ELECTRIC UNIVERSE?
Talk about synchronicity !.. i`ve been receiving/reading the Thunderbolt newsletter for a few months now, this of course for having found the concept of EU not only attractive scientifically, but for being in agreement with my spiritual experience and understanding as well ; hence this morning i visited this site precisely in order to consult the forum archives so as to see whether discussion/s were taking place here related to the spiritual aspects of this so-called theory, and soon enough i found this thread : very cool indeed 
In fact it`s my search for answers to existential questions that has brought me to scientific paradigms ; what is a search, if not an attempt to harmonize [magnetically] subjective observations with objective explanations ? Does the universe not always seek an equilibrium of the forces that it unleashes expressively ?
Iow, the phenomena unleashed in the expansion of the universe always seek to remember and reform (stay true) to the force/s from which they originate, so that however transformed any given phenomenon may have become relative to the energy in which it was born/e, this phenomenon always retains the fundamental structure that gave rise to its expression. In my case, the principal phenomenon which i wished to retrace to its original form is that of telepathy / channelling, being that i remembered experiencing this phenomenon as an infant prior to even talking, and continuing throughout my existence : how was this possible, i finally asked following some experiences so intense as to inspire me to try to overcome my own (conditioned) prejudices toward it, and accept to live my deepest visions.
Well now it has been many years since i first embraced this question and embarked on the transcendental journey that ensues.. i`ve so many insights to share about the issues raised in this thread that i barely know where to start.
To be brief about it, ¨eye/i¨ have come to the origin of my soul`s existence, to which i came about two years ago in what i called the ¨infinity gate¨.. here it`s worth saying that i came to my journey a virgin with regards to the new-age movement and have never felt comfortable to adopt somebody else`s interpretation of reality, so that my conclusions emerge from my spontaneous evolution toward an all-unifying understanding of the my existence and the phenomena that characterized it.. and this being said then, my subsequent research into other visions and understanding agreable with mine has taken me to places such as this here, where the Truth that i Love is explored and expressed from a particular angle/s that agrees with this Universal Truth that Love is.
.. i have come to my souls origin `through divine guidance, which is a signal essentially, a frequency conveyed through what believers refer to as the Holy Spirit [of God~Creator~Source..], iow ¨eye¨ have found the answer to the phenomena manifest in my existence through the guidance of the original signal that magnetically pervades the electro-magnetic environment of the universe : since i am a believer~lover of the divine nature of the universe, i now refer to this signal as divine guidance, but i did not always feel this way, which explains my interest in scientific interpretations of the universe and its phenomena.. nowadays i feel that all that is needed to form a GUT is someone/s to fit the pieces together, because they are all at hands for the so-called puzzle to be completed.
Who was it here who wrote that science has to take account of the Spirit so as to formulate a complete understanding of the universe ?
.. absolutely true ! .. i wrote as much to Brian Greene 7-8 years ago shortly following one of the most revealing of my transcendental voyages, this time into what most refer to as ¨the Light¨, the site/sight of my soul`s birth into being.. This was my first glimpse into the Truth as i see it now, a prelude to genuine understanding that was meant to attract me (to inspire me, iow to magnetically compel me to seek its purity..) toward undertaking the journey Home to my soulful origin, where the answers are : all phenomena are explained in the Light of the principle in which they are born/e.
To resume my contribution to this important discussion, in my view magnetism is a direct phenomenon attributable to Love, the essence of the creative Word of God, the primal signal from which all else follows.. to be continued
chaz.. aka LoverSun
In fact it`s my search for answers to existential questions that has brought me to scientific paradigms ; what is a search, if not an attempt to harmonize [magnetically] subjective observations with objective explanations ? Does the universe not always seek an equilibrium of the forces that it unleashes expressively ?
Iow, the phenomena unleashed in the expansion of the universe always seek to remember and reform (stay true) to the force/s from which they originate, so that however transformed any given phenomenon may have become relative to the energy in which it was born/e, this phenomenon always retains the fundamental structure that gave rise to its expression. In my case, the principal phenomenon which i wished to retrace to its original form is that of telepathy / channelling, being that i remembered experiencing this phenomenon as an infant prior to even talking, and continuing throughout my existence : how was this possible, i finally asked following some experiences so intense as to inspire me to try to overcome my own (conditioned) prejudices toward it, and accept to live my deepest visions.
Well now it has been many years since i first embraced this question and embarked on the transcendental journey that ensues.. i`ve so many insights to share about the issues raised in this thread that i barely know where to start.
.. i`m in complete agreement with Mague here, my experience reveals that we exist with/in God, much as cells in a body and as such compelled to function according to certain fundamental rules, which are all born/e in the principles of magnetic reciprocity, which may be deemed to establish the values that humanity attaches to Love. Indeed magnetic reciprocity is fundamental to the existence of the universe, firstly in its purest [sub-atomic] form (monopole) and secondly in its comparative variations once expanded in the atom.The imho better concept is, that we have been born "within the devine", we never left the divine and we are still with the devine.
To be brief about it, ¨eye/i¨ have come to the origin of my soul`s existence, to which i came about two years ago in what i called the ¨infinity gate¨.. here it`s worth saying that i came to my journey a virgin with regards to the new-age movement and have never felt comfortable to adopt somebody else`s interpretation of reality, so that my conclusions emerge from my spontaneous evolution toward an all-unifying understanding of the my existence and the phenomena that characterized it.. and this being said then, my subsequent research into other visions and understanding agreable with mine has taken me to places such as this here, where the Truth that i Love is explored and expressed from a particular angle/s that agrees with this Universal Truth that Love is.
.. i have come to my souls origin `through divine guidance, which is a signal essentially, a frequency conveyed through what believers refer to as the Holy Spirit [of God~Creator~Source..], iow ¨eye¨ have found the answer to the phenomena manifest in my existence through the guidance of the original signal that magnetically pervades the electro-magnetic environment of the universe : since i am a believer~lover of the divine nature of the universe, i now refer to this signal as divine guidance, but i did not always feel this way, which explains my interest in scientific interpretations of the universe and its phenomena.. nowadays i feel that all that is needed to form a GUT is someone/s to fit the pieces together, because they are all at hands for the so-called puzzle to be completed.
Who was it here who wrote that science has to take account of the Spirit so as to formulate a complete understanding of the universe ?
.. absolutely true ! .. i wrote as much to Brian Greene 7-8 years ago shortly following one of the most revealing of my transcendental voyages, this time into what most refer to as ¨the Light¨, the site/sight of my soul`s birth into being.. This was my first glimpse into the Truth as i see it now, a prelude to genuine understanding that was meant to attract me (to inspire me, iow to magnetically compel me to seek its purity..) toward undertaking the journey Home to my soulful origin, where the answers are : all phenomena are explained in the Light of the principle in which they are born/e.
To resume my contribution to this important discussion, in my view magnetism is a direct phenomenon attributable to Love, the essence of the creative Word of God, the primal signal from which all else follows.. to be continued
chaz.. aka LoverSun
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Re: A SPIRITUAL ELECTRIC UNIVERSE?
Hi Mague,
Welcome to this "Spiritual Superbowl" . . .
- I don´t quite agree regarding the stupidness matter. Maybe some revelations has become stupid because the modern society have forgotten the genuine mythological and cosmological wisdom in the revelations? (Some revelations: Especially John, Ezekiel?)
All the Best from Ivar
Welcome to this "Spiritual Superbowl" . . .
I´ll go along with that very much, indeed! And I think there´s a BIG scientifical difference of measuring seperated issues mechanically compared to try to understand the same issue via the cyclical and spiritual senses. In fact, I am of this firm conviction that "The Ancient Ones" knew and understood the Universe better that modern Cosmology and Astrophysics.there cant be any real progress unless science is adopting spirit. There cant be a unifiedy theory without unification. It has to integrate spirit or it wont be complete.
Hope is eternal green - and what is the other option?Dont have high hopes.
Mague, did you not notised my Wikipedia warning, from where I got the revelation-defination?Revelation is the wrong concept. The concept of relevation induces the idea that "being stupid"
- I don´t quite agree regarding the stupidness matter. Maybe some revelations has become stupid because the modern society have forgotten the genuine mythological and cosmological wisdom in the revelations? (Some revelations: Especially John, Ezekiel?)
Personally I prefer this statement: "God" helps those who helps themselves for the case of each other and everything else natural. (Throughout my 65 times travelling around the Sun, I´ve seeen to many humans waited much to long and completely in wain for having faith for the other option).We have two basic religious patterns on earth. Those who wait for the return of a god/hero/messiah/savior and those who think god never left. Personally i prefer the later one.
For my part, it all comes down to "creative forces" and a spiritual much direct communication.Spiritual beings still teach/influence people.
All the Best from Ivar
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Re: A SPIRITUAL ELECTRIC UNIVERSE?
Hi LoverSun,
Welcome to the SS = Sync Site
- I can understand that you have gone through some changings between the scientifical and the spiritual part? Where are you now?
- Just take off and tell us! For instants: Have you a fairly clear direction with your spiritual experiences
Welcome to the SS = Sync Site
The latter was the case for me being a member here. I was especially searching for "Comparative Mythologists" in order to get some cooperation going.. . . this of course for having found the concept of EU not only attractive scientifically, but for being in agreement with my spiritual experience and understanding as well
- I can understand that you have gone through some changings between the scientifical and the spiritual part? Where are you now?
i`ve so many insights to share about the issues raised in this thread that i barely know where to start.
- Just take off and tell us! For instants: Have you a fairly clear direction with your spiritual experiences
See you onboard on the SS-board again soon - All the Best from Ivartoward undertaking the journey Home to my soulful origin,
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Re: A SPIRITUAL ELECTRIC UNIVERSE?
Hi, mague -
Unfortunately, the proverbial baby has been tossed out with the bath water, resulting in yet another limiting "religion."

I have felt that way for many years. And, as I see it, the current separation is a relatively recent development; a knee-jerk reaction, by those who seek knowledge, against the various religious institutions that are merely bastardized interpretations of our inherent spiritual nature, which have been used as very effective populace-controlling devices. And because of that process, the words "religion" and "spirituality" have become synonomous in the minds of most people - which they most certainly are not. More often than not, religion = consensus group activity, whereas, spirituality = individual experience.mague wrote:There cant be a unifiedy theory without unification. [Science] has to integrate spirit or it wont be complete.
Unfortunately, the proverbial baby has been tossed out with the bath water, resulting in yet another limiting "religion."
Or, put another way; there are "victims" - those who think life has been thrust upon them by some higher external force, which they then must try to survive as long as possible - and there are co-creators - those who know in the very core of their being that they are one and the same with that which is exploring Itself. One view isn't wrong and the other right. They're both just different methods of exploring. Hence the saying (and a very empowering one, IMO): There are no victims - only choices.mague wrote:We have two basic religious patterns on earth. Those who wait for the return of a god/hero/messiah/savior and those who think god never left.
Well put, mague! I think that about sums it up right there.mague wrote:[A fish] is one with the vibrating ocean by birth. That wont change unless the fish starts to think he is a parrott...
It's been my experience that irrelevant questions, or asking the wrong questions, can also result in ignored silence. As a kid, I had a teacher, of sorts, who was notorious for the You waste my time with that, seeker! approach.mague wrote:What sort of informations do you seek ? Let say you talk to a tree and ask him about the secrets of photosysntesis. And he askes you why you want to know. Depending on your answer he will tell you or refuses to answer.
It's all about perception.
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My communion with the Sun 'informed' me that the Sun was a machine, not a God! So I did some research, and it seems that the ancient solar sects knew this. In the oldest civilisations, the Sun was revered as a creation of the invisible, spirit God, so it was the Sun of God, or the Son of God, and was not worshiped as a God.
So it would seem that the Sun is best viewed as the bullhorn of the Universal One, its interface to the material world, an electromagnetic machine whos frequencies are the cause of matter, and the source of the information which permeates it.
Meditation, IMO, is the method we use to rid ourselves of ego. The One has no ego, and ego is not allowed into its realm. The Magic Silence of Cayce is all that is needed.
There are lots of instances where translation of the old languages would seem to confirm the view of the Sun as Creator. I like Sarvepalli Radhakrishnans translation of the Gayatri Mantra:
We meditate on the effulgent glory of the divine Light; may he inspire our understanding.
Or the 'hippy' aramaic to english translation of the first line of the Lords prayer:
O, Cosmic birther of all radiance and vibration.
On the other hand, Tesla thought:
The morning after my 'communion', I picked up a book my cousin had bought for me from the 25Cent rack at the local charity store a few months before. Metamagical Themas, by Douglas Hofstadter. I opened it at random, as I usually do with my ReadingRoom material. Section- Spirit and Substrate. Chapter- On the Seeming Paradox of Mechanising Creativity. I got a shiver down my spine.
I just Googled spiritual mechanist and came up with this, haven't fully read it, but seems appropriate.
http://www.mindfutures.com/Integrated-I ... ience.html
So it would seem that the Sun is best viewed as the bullhorn of the Universal One, its interface to the material world, an electromagnetic machine whos frequencies are the cause of matter, and the source of the information which permeates it.
Meditation, IMO, is the method we use to rid ourselves of ego. The One has no ego, and ego is not allowed into its realm. The Magic Silence of Cayce is all that is needed.
http://ezinearticles.com/?Edgar-Cayce-a ... &id=829490We must be clear that meditation is an altered state of consciousness. It is not a method for getting our normal consciousness to feel better. "You don't have the meditation because ... you want to feel better, but to attune self to the infinite!" We must set our normal, everyday selves aside and allow our deeper, spiritual selves to attune to the Infinite. This is perhaps the most fundamental and yet the most difficult requirement of meditation. But it can be done. The body, mind and soul are interconnected in such a way that certain actions will automatically lead to "the magic silence" and the awakening of our better selves.
There are lots of instances where translation of the old languages would seem to confirm the view of the Sun as Creator. I like Sarvepalli Radhakrishnans translation of the Gayatri Mantra:
We meditate on the effulgent glory of the divine Light; may he inspire our understanding.
Or the 'hippy' aramaic to english translation of the first line of the Lords prayer:
O, Cosmic birther of all radiance and vibration.
On the other hand, Tesla thought:
To me, the universe is simply a great machine which never came into being and never will end. The human being is no exception to the natural order. Man, like the universe, is a machine. Nothing enters our minds or determines our actions which is not directly or indirectly a response to stimuli beating upon our sense organs from without. Owing to the similarity of our construction and the sameness of our environment, we respond in like manner to similar stimuli, and from the concordance of our reactions, understanding is born. In the course of ages, mechanisms of infinite complexity are developed, but what we call "soul” or "spirit," is nothing more than the sum of the functionings of the body. When this functioning ceases, the "soul" or the "spirit" ceases likewise.
The morning after my 'communion', I picked up a book my cousin had bought for me from the 25Cent rack at the local charity store a few months before. Metamagical Themas, by Douglas Hofstadter. I opened it at random, as I usually do with my ReadingRoom material. Section- Spirit and Substrate. Chapter- On the Seeming Paradox of Mechanising Creativity. I got a shiver down my spine.
I just Googled spiritual mechanist and came up with this, haven't fully read it, but seems appropriate.
http://www.mindfutures.com/Integrated-I ... ience.html
In order to change an existing paradigm you do not struggle to try and change the problematic model. You create a new model and make the old one obsolete. -Buckminster Fuller
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@GaryN,
Interesting explanation of your experiences!
I can give you this mythological hint of what I`m tinking of: The Solar Deity i.e. the "male"/light creative forces of the Sun versus the Galactic Deity i.e. the "male"/light galactic creative forces.
Regarding this deity quality and headdress:
Interesting explanation of your experiences!
I don´t know if I have the right to question the spiritual experiences of other people, so GaryN, will you please visit this site http://www.native-science.net/MilkyWay.GreatestGod.htm and se for your self what you get out of it?My communion with the Sun 'informed' me that the Sun was a machine, not a God! So I did some research, and it seems that the ancient solar sects knew this. In the oldest civilisations, the Sun was revered as a creation of the invisible, spirit God, so it was the Sun of God, or the Son of God, and was not worshiped as a God. So it would seem that the Sun is best viewed as the bullhorn of the Universal One,
I can give you this mythological hint of what I`m tinking of: The Solar Deity i.e. the "male"/light creative forces of the Sun versus the Galactic Deity i.e. the "male"/light galactic creative forces.
Regarding this deity quality and headdress:
Thanks for the fine quotations and the interesting links - for my part especially this http://www.mindfutres.com/Integrated-In ... ience.htmlSo it would seem that the Sun is best viewed as the bullhorn of the Universal One
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Personally I've experienced a strange encounter in my mid-20's (back in the late 80's).
It wasn't until 2 years ago when I happened upon the video of Jill Bolte Taylor that I was finally able to understand what actually had happened to myself.
No, I did not suffer a stroke as Jill had, however from what I do understand I did momentarily shut down the left side of my brain and came out of the situation with a new outlook on my existence.
The experience ended my search for understanding the concept of God, as I realized that God is not what is described in any religious books that I know of. I became anti-religious and a believer of "God" in an entirely new light.
It could be entirely possible, in my eyes, that electro-magnetic universe and God-consciousness are related.
It wasn't until 2 years ago when I happened upon the video of Jill Bolte Taylor that I was finally able to understand what actually had happened to myself.
No, I did not suffer a stroke as Jill had, however from what I do understand I did momentarily shut down the left side of my brain and came out of the situation with a new outlook on my existence.
The experience ended my search for understanding the concept of God, as I realized that God is not what is described in any religious books that I know of. I became anti-religious and a believer of "God" in an entirely new light.
It could be entirely possible, in my eyes, that electro-magnetic universe and God-consciousness are related.
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Thanks for your story!
- I can also say this for my self: For several years I was heavily burdened with frequently headache pains – until I just gave up my normally life, and when I let it all go, I got some years with many out of body experiences with the very same content as you describe: A new perception of religion and spirituality.
- This was some 30 years ago – and when looking back at this period with my new perception, I clearly can see, that “it was meant to be”, one way or the other.
- My new perspective is very Native but with a layer of the best of the modern scientifically knowledge. Native as in Cyclic and Holistic and modern as in “deities” are cosmic energies and vibrations. (Links below under signature)
- The Native Way has many personal advantages: Special transitional rites on a certain age with just the needed knowledge for every transition. Have I had such a wonderful tradition in my society, in stead of the thin cup of tea-religion I was brought up with, I never would have had my bad period of headaches.
With my own experiences, I´m quite sure that the Acient Ones made their ritual system in order to correlate the individual - and social - growth with the interactive rhythm of the Earth; the Sun and the Galaxy, which is related to the Story of Creation.
This really tells how far away many religions have moved away from the original purpose, right? From being a specific and personal guidance in all the phases of life, many religions have become a forum for theological discussions and taken as hostage by both religious and political leaders.
I’ll say: Natural religion with Natural guidance for spiritual growth!
All the Best
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Thanks for your story!
- I think many people can recognise themselves, one way another, in your situation. For a lot of reasons some people are set on standby – and very often the underlying reason is just to find a new direction.. . . however from what I do understand I did momentarily shut down the left side of my brain and came out of the situation with a new outlook on my existence.
- I can also say this for my self: For several years I was heavily burdened with frequently headache pains – until I just gave up my normally life, and when I let it all go, I got some years with many out of body experiences with the very same content as you describe: A new perception of religion and spirituality.
- This was some 30 years ago – and when looking back at this period with my new perception, I clearly can see, that “it was meant to be”, one way or the other.
- My new perspective is very Native but with a layer of the best of the modern scientifically knowledge. Native as in Cyclic and Holistic and modern as in “deities” are cosmic energies and vibrations. (Links below under signature)
- The Native Way has many personal advantages: Special transitional rites on a certain age with just the needed knowledge for every transition. Have I had such a wonderful tradition in my society, in stead of the thin cup of tea-religion I was brought up with, I never would have had my bad period of headaches.
With my own experiences, I´m quite sure that the Acient Ones made their ritual system in order to correlate the individual - and social - growth with the interactive rhythm of the Earth; the Sun and the Galaxy, which is related to the Story of Creation.
This really tells how far away many religions have moved away from the original purpose, right? From being a specific and personal guidance in all the phases of life, many religions have become a forum for theological discussions and taken as hostage by both religious and political leaders.
I’ll say: Natural religion with Natural guidance for spiritual growth!
All the Best
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Re: A SPIRITUAL ELECTRIC UNIVERSE?
Hello StevenJay,StevenJay wrote:Hi, mague -
I have felt that way for many years. And, as I see it, the current separation is a relatively recent development; a knee-jerk reaction, by those who seek knowledge, against the various religious institutions that are merely bastardized interpretations of our inherent spiritual nature, which have been used as very effective populace-controlling devices. And because of that process, the words "religion" and "spirituality" have become synonomous in the minds of most people - which they most certainly are not. More often than not, religion = consensus group activity, whereas, spirituality = individual experience.mague wrote:There cant be a unifiedy theory without unification. [Science] has to integrate spirit or it wont be complete.
once a individual consciousness gets in contact with the true nature of spirituality things may become complicated.
First we migth recognize that we are part of the universal family, just like our cells are part of our body family.
Second suddenly everything is "alive" and an individual being.
The old hunters rule becomes real.
Kill only to eat or not to get eaten; Take only as much as you really need.
This is threatening lifestyle, culture and career. Hunters rule implies that you cant own anything, cant raise animals in masses for money. Cant influence or exploit nature at your will. The treshold for your activities is narrowing down.
This is scary, isnt it ?
And even if the person who found spirit is willing to change his life, it will find a few huge barriers.
First the program of sin. All that crap the person already comitted in life is a barrier. On the extreme end we may find physical pain caused by psychosoma. Pain that could potentially destroy the person. The person has to confess all his "sins" and take responsibility for them. The worst is that we even have to take responsibility for the mistakes of our ancestors. This is hard stuff to ask from a 16 year old person. Pictures are: devils chains, 1st guardian angel at the entrance to paradise.
Second is that people live in this messed up state for centuries, maybe millenias. Living under certain contidions changes people. I wouldnt call it mutation, but people adopt to their environment and they change over the years. Imagine a human in the stone age and a modern human disinfecting his bathroom. Isnt that close to a mutation ? The biggest problem are the changes in the human energy field. The vibrations change, there are many dead spots in the field. Like white spots on the map they hinder the person to recognize certain things. Those people became, to some degree, incompatible to the natural vibrations of nature planet earth. It may be a long and sometimes, again, painful reconfiguration. Pictures are the purgatory.and the 2nd guardian angel at the entrance to paradise.
Since earths nature is only the tip of the iceberg called universe, this branch of homo sapiens is going to vanish.
I wouldnt use the expression "knee-jerk reaktion" in that regard. Or lets say, only if the word was able to make the white spots vibrate so those people have a chance to sense them in their awareness
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